Author Topic: Standing vs. Kneeling to Receive Holy Communion - need info. (Read 1767 times)

CyberSaint · « **on:** November 09, 2010, 05:08:58 PM »

In a conversation with the PSR teachers at my parish yesterday, the PSR coordinator told us she had attended a liturgical conference where she was told the reason why we are supposed to stand to receive is because kneeling is an act of adoration, not to be done while receiving, while standing to receive was indicative of celebrating the Resurrection.

This doesn't sound right to me, but I do not have the facts to back a good rebuttal.

Could someone provide me with info. that I could use to steer her straight on this, or to at least refute her claims? :detective:

NB. This is a NO parish, and the priest also celebrates the EF there Sunday afternoons.

umblehay anmay · « **Reply #1 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:41:05 PM »

do they also stand to recieve at the "EF"???

LM · « **Reply #2 on:** November 09, 2010, 06:23:45 PM »

Quote from: CyberSaint

In a conversation with the PSR teachers at my parish yesterday, the PSR coordinator told us she had attended a liturgical conference where she was told the reason why we are supposed to stand to receive is because kneeling is an act of adoration, not to be done while receiving, while standing to receive was indicative of celebrating the Resurrection.

This doesn't sound right to me, but I do not have the facts to back a good rebuttal.

Could someone provide me with info. that I could use to steer her straight on this, or to at least refute her claims? :detective:

NB. This is a NO parish, and the priest also celebrates the EF there Sunday afternoons.

Yes, kneeling is proper adoration. What do those modernists at the "liturgical conference" believe, our Lord, God, and Savior is not worthy of our adoration.

Below is a link to a couple of letters issued by the CDWDS on the issue of kneeling for communion. Print them and show them to the "PSR coordinator".

http://www.adoremus.org/Notitiae-kneeling.html

CyberSaint · « **Reply #3 on:** November 09, 2010, 06:45:13 PM »

Quote from: umblehay anmay

do they also stand to recieve at the "EF"???

No, no, not at all. They do at the NO services though.

CyberSaint · « **Reply #4 on:** November 09, 2010, 06:48:38 PM »

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Yes, kneeling is proper adoration. What do those modernists at the "liturgical conference" believe, our Lord, God, and Savior is not worthy of our adoration.

Below is a link to a couple of letters issued by the CDWDS on the issue of kneeling for communion. Print them and show them to the "PSR coordinator".

http://www.adoremus.org/Notitiae-kneeling.html

Thanks, I will look at that.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #5 on:** November 09, 2010, 06:52:12 PM »

Quote from: CyberSaint

Quote from: umblehay anmay
do they also stand to recieve at the "EF"???

No, no, not at all. They do at the NO services though.

What a schizophrenic mindset (or at least contradictory mindset in extremis).

Leaving aside their Modernist argumentation for standing; why would it be appropriate to stand for Holy Communion at a Bogus Ordo "Mass", but not at a Tridentine Mass ( or the modernized version of it known as the EF)?

LM · « **Reply #6 on:** November 09, 2010, 07:18:59 PM »

Quote from: CyberSaint

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Yes, kneeling is proper adoration. What do those modernists at the "liturgical conference" believe, our Lord, God, and Savior is not worthy of our adoration.

Below is a link to a couple of letters issued by the CDWDS on the issue of kneeling for communion. Print them and show them to the "PSR coordinator".

http://www.adoremus.org/Notitiae-kneeling.html

Thanks, I will look at that.

Here is the link to a third letter and a link to then Card. Ratzinger's Theology of Kneeling (from Spirit of the Liturgy).

http://www.adoremus.org/0403HolySeeResponds.html

http://www.adoremus.org/1102TheologyKneel.html

CyberSaint · « **Reply #7 on:** November 09, 2010, 07:44:16 PM »

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Here is the link to a third letter and a link to then Card. Ratzinger's Theology of Kneeling (from Spirit of the Liturgy).

http://www.adoremus.org/0403HolySeeResponds.html

http://www.adoremus.org/1102TheologyKneel.html

Very good. Thanks!

Alex · « **Reply #8 on:** November 09, 2010, 07:48:57 PM »

The Byzantine Catholics (and some other Eastern rite Catholics) all stand when receiving Holy Communion. Although I have never agreed with this practice, it has been allowed by the Church as part of the Eastern rite custom (since the time they rejoined the Catholic Church after they had left during the Great Schism).

LM · « **Reply #9 on:** November 09, 2010, 08:09:49 PM »

Quote from: Alex

The Byzantine Catholics (and some other Eastern rite Catholics) all stand when receiving Holy Communion. Although I have never agreed with this practice, it has been allowed by the Church as part of the Eastern rite custom (since the time they rejoined the Catholic Church after they had left during the Great Schism).

I have many, many times read the Easterners complaining of the Latinizations that occurred in the Eastern rites. I have also many, many times seen Easterners side with the anti-kneelers and advocate standing because the "Eastern rites stand". The hypocrisy of this, they don't want any latinizations, but advocate standing because they stand.

CyberSaint · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2010, 05:53:05 PM »

Interesting tie-ins with Eastern practices.

I am printing the Adoremus articles and will hand them to the coordinator tomorrow. Maybe her attitudes will change, some.

I have to try.

Thanks again, one and all.

:wine-drinking:

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #11 on:** November 14, 2010, 06:31:54 PM »

The Eastern Rites stand, presumably because the custom of standing in their area, perhaps in ancient times, was seen as a sign of great reverence or respect, like standing when a dignitary comes in the room.

In the West, kneeling has always been a much greater sign of reverence than standing, to my knowledge, and is definitely much more so today.

Liberals love wrenching legitimate practices of certain times and/or places out of their context and superimposing them in other times/ places where their significance is completely different and often anti-Catholic.

The POINT of kneeling is to humble ourselves before our Lord and realize that we are nothing and He is everything. We do this especially at the consecration when He deigns to lower Himself to come down to us and at communion where we show we are not worthy to receive Him.

In our culture standing connotes we are on equal footing with Our Lord as He is our "bud". So they stand when he arrives "no biggie" and stand when they receive, in the hand, so it's like shaking hands with Him.

They are diabolical in their misdirection and supporting their faith-destroying practices with sophistic disingenuous arguments daring to hide behind Eastern Rite practices to help destroy the Faith in the West.

Standing to receive in the Latin Rite is nothing other than a sign of stupendous pride that has been foisted on well meaning Novus Ordite Catholics whether they wanted it or not.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #12 on:** November 14, 2010, 06:38:10 PM »

BTW, what are "PSR" teachers?

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #13 on:** November 14, 2010, 08:25:34 PM »

"At the Name of Jesus every knee shall bend." How much more so when receiving His Body and Blood!

Stevus, I was wondering what "PSR" teachers are also but I was afraid to ask!

:scared2:

LM · « **Reply #14 on:** November 14, 2010, 08:37:37 PM »

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BTW, what are "PSR" teachers?

PSR: Parish School for Religion. I believe this is the "new" name for CCD.