Author Topic: St. Therese novena - Ladislaus? (Read 2503 times)

Disputaciones · « **on:** June 23, 2015, 08:54:07 PM »

Did you do the novena?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2015, 11:04:05 AM »

Not yet. I'm in the middle of another 54-Day novena right now. Will let you know when I do it.

Alexandria · « **Reply #2 on:** June 25, 2015, 01:04:04 PM »

Quote from: Disputaciones

Did you do the novena?

I did.

No rose.

Not even a picture of one.

:scratchchin:

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** June 25, 2015, 01:08:19 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

Quote from: Disputaciones
Did you do the novena?

I did.

No rose.

Not even a picture of one.

:scratchchin:

And how did you frame your petition? What would a rose have signified?

Alexandria · « **Reply #4 on:** June 25, 2015, 01:23:59 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Alexandria
Quote from: Disputaciones
Did you do the novena?

I did.

No rose.

Not even a picture of one.

:scratchchin:

And how did you frame your petition? What would a rose have signified?

I asked St. Therese to have someone hand me a rose if Francis is truly the Vicar of Christ.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** June 26, 2015, 11:20:01 AM »

Quote from: Alexandria

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Alexandria
Quote from: Disputaciones
Did you do the novena?

I did.

No rose.

Not even a picture of one.

:scratchchin:

And how did you frame your petition? What would a rose have signified?

I asked St. Therese to have someone hand me a rose if Francis is truly the Vicar of Christ.

So that can mean either:

1) St. Therese didn't answer the question in response to your prayer.
2) Francis isn't.

Inconclusive. Perhaps you could try flipping it around. Ask for a rose if he ISN'T the Pope.

Of course, with sedeprivationism, he is but he isn't at the same time.

Alexandria · « **Reply #6 on:** June 26, 2015, 12:15:45 PM »

Why wouldn't she answer a question the answer to which has a bearing on the salvation of my soul? Or did she perhaps think the question too stupid and the answer self-evident? I'm not trying to be flip, but just throwing out some thoughts that went through my head.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 26, 2015, 01:30:34 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

Why wouldn't she answer a question the answer to which has a bearing on the salvation of my soul? Or did she perhaps think the question too stupid and the answer self-evident? I'm not trying to be flip, but just throwing out some thoughts that went through my head.

Because for whatever reason it's not the will of God to answer the question in this way. It's that simple. We do not always get the answer we want to our prayer. We can pray every day that God will restore the Church but He's not ready to do so ... despite the fact that it has a bearing on the salvation of souls.

Alexandria · « **Reply #8 on:** June 26, 2015, 02:44:18 PM »

Maybe.

I am losing, and may have already lost, my faith anyway. Can't reconcile Catholicism with the present day sham, and certainly see no evidence that the "true" Church exists in any independent chapel or group.

Oh well.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 26, 2015, 02:55:23 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

Maybe.

I am losing, and may have already lost, my faith anyway. Can't reconcile Catholicism with the present day sham, and certainly see no evidence that the "true" Church exists in any independent chapel or group.

Oh well.

Except that we've received prophecies to that effect to help console us. That's why God left us these.

Quote from: Nicolas of Fluh

The Church will be punished because the majority of her members, high and low, will become so perverted. The Church will sink deeper and deeper until she will at last seem to be extinguished, and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. But, after this, she will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #10 on:** June 26, 2015, 10:04:04 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

Maybe.

I am losing, and may have already lost, my faith anyway. Can't reconcile Catholicism with the present day sham, and certainly see no evidence that the "true" Church exists in any independent chapel or group.

Oh well.

This is why I believe it is imperative to realize that we are dealing with usurpers and false claimants who have infiltrated the Church, because to believe that these men truly represent the Church, is a complete mockery, makes it all meaningless and yeah, you may as well end up saying "Bah, this is all a sham after all".

None of these modernists represent the Church nor have any authority.

Either way, we have to focus on sanctifying ourselves and avoiding sin.

Things will eventually clear up.

Stubborn · « **Reply #11 on:** June 27, 2015, 03:57:03 AM »

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Why wouldn't she answer a question the answer to which has a bearing on the salvation of my soul? Or did she perhaps think the question too stupid and the answer self-evident? I'm not trying to be flip, but just throwing out some thoughts that went through my head.

First, whether Francis is pope or not has no bearing on the salvation of your soul. Your salvation depends upon you persevering in the faith till your last breath so you can die in the state of sanctifying grace.

Second, suppose you received a rose from someone - does that mean you now know Francis is pope? Will you become Novus Ordo and do what NOers do and attend the new "mass", CITH, contracept, divorce/remarry, etc. ad nausem? IOW, do you suppose if you received a rose you could now sin without fear of punishment because Francis is pope? St. Therese is not going to be responsible for that.

Don't be solicitous for something harmful to you and expect heaven to answer.

"Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice: and all these things shall be added unto you. Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** June 27, 2015, 10:22:34 AM »

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Will you become Novus Ordo and do what NOers do and attend the new "mass", CITH, contracept, divorce/remarry, etc. ad nausem?

Does the SBC, which is in full union with Rome, do all these things? It's very important to distinguish the common Novus Ordo praxis from actual Magisterium. At no point has the NO officially taught contraception, divorce/remarriage, CITH ... although they've been permissive of all these things. There are alternatives to the NO Mass also.

Alexandria · « **Reply #13 on:** June 27, 2015, 12:04:29 PM »

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Quote from: Alexandria
Why wouldn't she answer a question the answer to which has a bearing on the salvation of my soul? Or did she perhaps think the question too stupid and the answer self-evident? I'm not trying to be flip, but just throwing out some thoughts that went through my head.

First, whether Francis is pope or not has no bearing on the salvation of your soul. Your salvation depends upon you persevering in the faith till your last breath so you can die in the state of sanctifying grace.

Second, suppose you received a rose from someone - does that mean you now know Francis is pope? Will you become Novus Ordo and do what NOers do and attend the new "mass", CITH, contracept, divorce/remarry, etc. ad nausem? IOW, do you suppose if you received a rose you could now sin without fear of punishment because Francis is pope? St. Therese is not going to be responsible for that.

Don't be solicitous for something harmful to you and expect heaven to answer.

"Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice: and all these things shall be added unto you. Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

I beg your pardon, but in order to save our souls we must be subject to the roman pontiff. Is that or is it not an infallible statement by a pope?

Alexandria · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2015, 12:05:58 PM »

And before you give me the rote sede answers, I know them all by heart. "We would be if we had a true pope." Well, yes, but then this opens up another can of worms.