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St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
« on: January 21, 2020, 09:56:49 PM »
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    • Both papacies were publicly identified by the Holy Ghost.



                               St. Pope Fabian


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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #1 on: January 21, 2020, 11:06:10 PM »
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    • The difference is that if Siri was chosen and elected then apparently he rejected that election and they chose someone else. 
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #2 on: January 22, 2020, 08:27:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 21, 2020, 11:06:10 PM
    The difference is that if Siri was chosen and elected then apparently he rejected that election and they chose someone else.

    Another lie, poche.  No, per the reconstructed events, he accepted and then stepped down under duress.  He did not "reject" the election.  
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #3 on: January 22, 2020, 08:36:19 AM »
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    • By contract, Benedict released a "peace dove" from the window in 2013, and it was promptly attacked by a seagull.  Francis did the same thing in 2014, and the same thing happened to his dove.

    Does anyone remember when the dove attacked John Paul II?

    Benedict 2013:


    Francis 2014:


    I can't find footage of when the dove/pigeon attacked John Paul II.

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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #4 on: January 22, 2020, 08:47:18 AM »
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    • I also recall during the funeral of John Paul II, that the winds blew closed out the candles and blew closed the Gospel.

    Do you know what ceremony entails blowing out a candle and closing the Gospel (the book of life)?

    Yes, the ceremony of excommunication.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell,_book,_and_candle


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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #5 on: January 22, 2020, 10:43:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 21, 2020, 11:06:10 PM
    The difference is that if Siri was chosen and elected then apparently he rejected that election and they chose someone else.

    Please shut up...
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #6 on: January 22, 2020, 05:43:47 PM »
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    • Looks like the Holy Ghost later tried to identify Randy Johnson as the pope back in 2001 but that didn't turn out so well. :jester:
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #7 on: January 22, 2020, 05:49:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on January 22, 2020, 05:43:47 PM
    Looks like the Holy Ghost later tried to identify Randy Johnson as the pope back in 2001 but that didn't turn out so well. :jester:
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    Hilarious ... well, except for the poor bird.  I've never seen this before.  This was Johnson saying that he refused to be considered for the position.

    So, in baseball rules, was that called a ball or a strike?

    Wow, that looked like it knocked EVERY SINGLE feather off that bird's body.
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #8 on: January 22, 2020, 05:52:49 PM »
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    • Of course, on further inspection, it does not appear that the dove was headed TOWARD Johnson.  We may never know which concession-stand employee was supposed to be the next pope.
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #9 on: January 22, 2020, 07:05:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on January 22, 2020, 05:43:47 PM
    Looks like the Holy Ghost later tried to identify Randy Johnson as the pope back in 2001 but that didn't turn out so well. :jester:
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    WOW. Last time I saw something like that, I was 15 years old on a par 4 and I hit a bird in flight with my golf ball.
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #10 on: January 22, 2020, 09:41:54 PM »
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    • The testimony of a dove representing the Holy Ghost, alighting upon Fabian's head is clear. 


    Eusebius, born just a few years after Fabian’s death, tells us how Fabian came to Rome after Pope Anteros died in 236. A layperson, and not a very important one, he may have come for the same reason many still come to Rome today during a papal election: concern for the future of the faith, curiosity about the new pope, a desire to grieve for the pope who had passed. Seeing all the important people gathered to make this momentous decision must have been overwhelming. Which one would be the new pope? Someone known for power? Someone known for eloquence? Someone known for courage?

    Suddenly during the discussion, a dove descended from the ceiling. But it didn’t settle on “someone known” for anything at all. The dove, according to Eusebius, “settled on [Fabian’s] head as clear imitation of the descent of the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove upon the Savior.” There must have been something of the Holy Spirit working because everyone suddenly proclaimed Fabian as “worthy” to be pope and this stranger was elected.
    To us the dove signifies peace, and this dove was prophetic. Starting close to Fabian’s election, the suffering and persecuted Church began a time of peace. The emperor, Philip, was friendly to Christians and not only was the persecution stopped but Christians experienced acceptance.
    In this era of peace, Fabian was able to build up the structure of the Church of Rome, appointing seven deacons and helping to collect the acts of the martyrs.

    But, in a timeless story, the people who had always been in power were not happy to see the newcomers growing and thriving. There were many incidents of pagans attacking Christians and when Philip died so died the time of peace. The new emperor, Decius, ordered all Christians to deny Christ by offering incense to idols or through some other pagan ritual.

    In the few years of peace, the Church had grown soft. Many didn’t have the courage to stand up to martyrdom. But Fabian, singled out by symbol of peace, stood as a courageous example for everyone in his flock. He died a martyr in 250 and is buried in the Cemetery of Calixtus that he helped rebuild and beautify. A stone slab with his name can still be found there. Broken into four pieces, the stone bears the Greek words, “Fabian, bishop, martyr.”

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    So too, was the perfect alighting of Cardinal Siri's dove, during Holy Mass. 


     
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #11 on: January 22, 2020, 10:36:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 22, 2020, 09:41:54 PM

    The testimony of a dove representing the Holy Ghost, alighting upon Fabian's head is clear.  


    Eusebius, born just a few years after Fabian’s death, tells us how Fabian came to Rome after Pope Anteros died in 236. A layperson, and not a very important one, he may have come for the same reason many still come to Rome today during a papal election: concern for the future of the faith, curiosity about the new pope, a desire to grieve for the pope who had passed. Seeing all the important people gathered to make this momentous decision must have been overwhelming. Which one would be the new pope? Someone known for power? Someone known for eloquence? Someone known for courage?

    Suddenly during the discussion, a dove descended from the ceiling. But it didn’t settle on “someone known” for anything at all. The dove, according to Eusebius, “settled on [Fabian’s] head as clear imitation of the descent of the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove upon the Savior.” There must have been something of the Holy Spirit working because everyone suddenly proclaimed Fabian as “worthy” to be pope and this stranger was elected.
    To us the dove signifies peace, and this dove was prophetic. Starting close to Fabian’s election, the suffering and persecuted Church began a time of peace. The emperor, Philip, was friendly to Christians and not only was the persecution stopped but Christians experienced acceptance.
    In this era of peace, Fabian was able to build up the structure of the Church of Rome, appointing seven deacons and helping to collect the acts of the martyrs.

    But, in a timeless story, the people who had always been in power were not happy to see the newcomers growing and thriving. There were many incidents of pagans attacking Christians and when Philip died so died the time of peace. The new emperor, Decius, ordered all Christians to deny Christ by offering incense to idols or through some other pagan ritual.

    In the few years of peace, the Church had grown soft. Many didn’t have the courage to stand up to martyrdom. But Fabian, singled out by symbol of peace, stood as a courageous example for everyone in his flock. He died a martyr in 250 and is buried in the Cemetery of Calixtus that he helped rebuild and beautify. A stone slab with his name can still be found there. Broken into four pieces, the stone bears the Greek words, “Fabian, bishop, martyr.”

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    So too, was the perfect alighting of Cardinal Siri's dove, during Holy Mass.  


     
    It sounds like a nice theory that Siri is the modern day St. Fabian but look at his actions post V2: celebrated new mass and suooorted the V2 heretical “popes”. That’s certainly not martyrdom like St. Fabian endured, that’s offering incense to the pagan “gods”. If Siri was exiled forever and never seen again, then maybe this would have weight.
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #12 on: January 23, 2020, 06:47:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on January 22, 2020, 10:36:42 PM
    It sounds like a nice theory that Siri is the modern day St. Fabian but look at his actions post V2: celebrated new mass and suooorted the V2 heretical “popes”. That’s certainly not martyrdom like St. Fabian endured, that’s offering incense to the pagan “gods”. If Siri was exiled forever and never seen again, then maybe this would have weight.

    Yeah, blow-off the visible sign, as the Genoans did in 1958.


    Read the permanent instruction of ʝʊdɛօ-masonry’s Alta Vendita.


    The 1958 Conclave was hijacked and abrogated.


    But then, maybe it’s more comfortable for neo-trads to live with and accept the destroyer Jєω-Popes?
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #13 on: January 23, 2020, 10:08:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 23, 2020, 06:47:27 AM
    Yeah, blow-off the visible sign, as the Genoans did in 1958.


    Read the permanent instruction of ʝʊdɛօ-masonry’s Alta Vendita.


    The 1958 Conclave was hijacked and abrogated.


    But then, maybe it’s more comfortable for neo-trads to live with and accept the destroyer Jєω-Popes?
    If the picture was from 1957 then there’s no way it proves Siri to be the pope because Pius Xii was still alive. If it’s  in 1958 then it’s either A. Before Pius Xii died, or B. After the conclave because he is in genoa and not Rome. 
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    Re: St. Pope Fabian and Cardinal Siri
    « Reply #14 on: January 23, 2020, 07:38:12 PM »
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    • CIA,

    Even the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency’s internal reports cited that Cardinal Siri was elected pope.

    The Holy Ghost coming upon his head, during Holy Mass was confirmation of the fact that he was the the most favored choice to succeed Pius XII.

    The two key items for a newly elected
    Pope to do, are to accept the office and to choose a name.  He did both.

    While he was intimidated, made to step aside and even take an oath of silence, he was still the Pope.  

    And even the ʝʊdɛօ-masons, who usurped the papacy, knew he was the hidden pope.
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