The difference is that if Siri was chosen and elected then apparently he rejected that election and they chose someone else.
The difference is that if Siri was chosen and elected then apparently he rejected that election and they chose someone else.
Looks like the Holy Ghost later tried to identify Randy Johnson as the pope back in 2001 but that didn't turn out so well. :jester:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PyCpG06138
Looks like the Holy Ghost later tried to identify Randy Johnson as the pope back in 2001 but that didn't turn out so well. :jester:WOW. Last time I saw something like that, I was 15 years old on a par 4 and I hit a bird in flight with my golf ball.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PyCpG06138
It sounds like a nice theory that Siri is the modern day St. Fabian but look at his actions post V2: celebrated new mass and suooorted the V2 heretical “popes”. That’s certainly not martyrdom like St. Fabian endured, that’s offering incense to the pagan “gods”. If Siri was exiled forever and never seen again, then maybe this would have weight.
The testimony of a dove representing the Holy Ghost, alighting upon Fabian's head is clear.
Eusebius, born just a few years after Fabian’s death, tells us how Fabian came to Rome after Pope Anteros died in 236. A layperson, and not a very important one, he may have come for the same reason many still come to Rome today during a papal election: concern for the future of the faith, curiosity about the new pope, a desire to grieve for the pope who had passed. Seeing all the important people gathered to make this momentous decision must have been overwhelming. Which one would be the new pope? Someone known for power? Someone known for eloquence? Someone known for courage?
Suddenly during the discussion, a dove descended from the ceiling. But it didn’t settle on “someone known” for anything at all. The dove, according to Eusebius, “settled on [Fabian’s] head as clear imitation of the descent of the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove upon the Savior.” There must have been something of the Holy Spirit working because everyone suddenly proclaimed Fabian as “worthy” to be pope and this stranger was elected.
To us the dove signifies peace, and this dove was prophetic. Starting close to Fabian’s election, the suffering and persecuted Church began a time of peace. The emperor, Philip, was friendly to Christians and not only was the persecution stopped but Christians experienced acceptance.
In this era of peace, Fabian was able to build up the structure of the Church of Rome, appointing seven deacons and helping to collect the acts of the martyrs.
But, in a timeless story, the people who had always been in power were not happy to see the newcomers growing and thriving. There were many incidents of pagans attacking Christians and when Philip died so died the time of peace. The new emperor, Decius, ordered all Christians to deny Christ by offering incense to idols or through some other pagan ritual.
In the few years of peace, the Church had grown soft. Many didn’t have the courage to stand up to martyrdom. But Fabian, singled out by symbol of peace, stood as a courageous example for everyone in his flock. He died a martyr in 250 and is buried in the Cemetery of Calixtus that he helped rebuild and beautify. A stone slab with his name can still be found there. Broken into four pieces, the stone bears the Greek words, “Fabian, bishop, martyr.”
LINK (https://ucatholic.com/saints/pope-st-fabian/)
So too, was the perfect alighting of Cardinal Siri's dove, during Holy Mass.
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It sounds like a nice theory that Siri is the modern day St. Fabian but look at his actions post V2: celebrated new mass and suooorted the V2 heretical “popes”. That’s certainly not martyrdom like St. Fabian endured, that’s offering incense to the pagan “gods”. If Siri was exiled forever and never seen again, then maybe this would have weight.
Yeah, blow-off the visible sign, as the Genoans did in 1958.If the picture was from 1957 then there’s no way it proves Siri to be the pope because Pius Xii was still alive. If it’s in 1958 then it’s either A. Before Pius Xii died, or B. After the conclave because he is in genoa and not Rome.
Read the permanent instruction of ʝʊdɛօ-masonry’s Alta Vendita.
The 1958 Conclave was hijacked and abrogated.
But then, maybe it’s more comfortable for neo-trads to live with and accept the destroyer jew-Popes?
CIA,How do u reconcile his actions later in his life with him being a true pope?
Even the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency’s internal reports cited that Cardinal Siri was elected pope.
The Holy Ghost coming upon his head, during Holy Mass was confirmation of the fact that he was the the most favored choice to succeed Pius XII.
The two key items for a newly elected
Pope to do, are to accept the office and to choose a name. He did both.
While he was intimidated, made to step aside and even take an oath of silence, he was still the Pope.
And even the ʝʊdɛօ-masons, who usurped the papacy, knew he was the hidden pope.
How do u reconcile his actions later in his life with him being a true pope?
CIA,.
Even the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency’s internal reports cited that Cardinal Siri was elected pope.
The Holy Ghost coming upon his head, during Holy Mass was confirmation of the fact that he was the the most favored choice to succeed Pius XII.
The two key items for a newly elected
Pope to do, are to accept the office and to choose a name. He did both.
While he was intimidated, made to step aside and even take an oath of silence, he was still the Pope.
And even the ʝʊdɛօ-masons, who usurped the papacy, knew he was the hidden pope.
For a moment,
Let’s turn the questions around and ask Yeti if he thinks, 5 minutes of “white smoke” over St. Peter’s Square a Vatican maintenance man’s mistake?
And if he believes Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli was a canonically elected pope in a disrupted conclave?
A conclave where the Cardinals were threatened with excommunication AFTER the election, if they spoke of the unusual activities that went on there.
The mystery behind the white smoke and the secret post-election meeting of the 1958 Conclave may not have been uncovered if it were not for Mr. Scortesco. Scortesco was the cousin of two members of the Vatican’s Noble Guard, including the President of the Noble Guard, which was responsible for guarding the conclaves of 1958 and 1963 and making sure that no communication occurred with the outside. Scortesco revealed the following in a published letter:QuoteScortesco: “In the case of John XXIII (1958) and of Paul VI (1963), there were communications with the outside. It was thus known that there were several ballots in the first conclave [1958] which resulted in the election of Cardinal Tedeschini and in the second [1963], Cardinal Siri.” (Excerpt from the French Newsletter, Introibo, No. 61, July-August-September, 1988, Association Noel Pinot, Angers, France, p. 3.)
Scortesco obtained this shocking information from members of the Noble Guard. The letter was published in Introibo. And Scortesco was found burned alive in his bed shortly after the publication of this letter. So Scortesco, prior to being knocked off, revealed that Cardinal Tedeschini, not Antipope John XXIII, was actually elected first in 1958. And Cardinal Siri, not Antipope Paul VI, was elected first in 1963.
In the letter quoted above, Scortesco also mentioned communication with the “outside.” His later writings indicate that this communication involved the B’nai Brith (Jєωιѕн Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ). If communications with the “outside” unlawfully influence a Papal election, this means that such an election is invalid. The “outside” communication with the Freemasons most probably prevented Tedeschini and Siri from having the free ability to accept their elections, probably by various threats, including death. The Communists and the Freemasons knew that neither Siri nor Tedeschini would go along with their evil attempts to destroy the Catholic Church; so they had to block their elections. If the “outside” communication mentioned by Scortesco did influence Tedeschini and Siri from having the free ability to accept their elections, then the subsequent elections of Roncalli [John XXIII] and Montini [Paul VI] were absolutely invalid for that fact alone.
And it's not honest to reduce the evidence for the Siri thesis to the white smoke. There's tons of evidence. No smoking gun, but lots of evidence.Ok let’s say I accept the Siri thesis and that he was pope until his death. Where is his successor? Do we know any of his cardinals?
https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/cardinal-siri-elections/ (https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/cardinal-siri-elections/)
Scortesco obtained this shocking information from members of the Noble Guard. The letter was published in Introibo. And Scortesco was found burned alive in his bed shortly after the publication of this letter. So Scortesco, prior to being knocked off, revealed that Cardinal Tedeschini, not Antipope John XXIII, was actually elected first in 1958. And Cardinal Siri, not Antipope Paul VI, was elected first in 1963.
In the letter quoted above, Scortesco also mentioned communication with the “outside.” His later writings indicate that this communication involved the B’nai Brith (Jєωιѕн Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ). If communications with the “outside” unlawfully influence a Papal election, this means that such an election is invalid. The “outside” communication with the Freemasons most probably prevented Tedeschini and Siri from having the free ability to accept their elections, probably by various threats, including death. The Communists and the Freemasons knew that neither Siri nor Tedeschini would go along with their evil attempts to destroy the Catholic Church; so they had to block their elections. If the “outside” communication mentioned by Scortesco did influence Tedeschini and Siri from having the free ability to accept their elections, then the subsequent elections of Roncalli [John XXIII] and Montini [Paul VI] were absolutely invalid for that fact alone.
Ok let’s say I accept the Siri thesis and that he was pope until his death. Where is his successor? Do we know any of his cardinals?
He didn't have a successor or Cardinals ... one or two nutjobs on the web notwithstanding.So.....we're still in a state of sedevacante regardless.
For a moment,.
Let’s turn the questions around and ask Yeti if he thinks, 5 minutes of “white smoke” over St. Peter’s Square a Vatican maintenance man’s mistake?
And if he believes Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli was a canonically elected pope in a disrupted conclave?
A conclave where the Cardinals were threatened with excommunication AFTER the election, if they spoke of the unusual activities that went on there.
What??! Cardinal Siri refuses to answer if he was elected, and Remy takes this to mean that he was elected?? Talk about tendentious reasoning.
So.....we're still in a state of sedevacante regardless.
He made this inference based on the fact that he readily said "no" when asked other questions about what happened in the conclave that he did not believe were true. He did not see himself bound by the oath not to DENY things that did not happen, but could not speak about what did. If he had not been elected, he could have just said, "no, I was not elected," in line with his previous answers. I think that this is a very reasonable conclusion..
If he had not been elected, he could have just said, "no, I was not elected," in line with his previous answers. I think that this is a very reasonable conclusion..
He made this inference based on the fact that he readily said "no" when asked other questions about what happened in the conclave that he did not believe were true. He did not see himself bound by the oath not to DENY things that did not happen, but could not speak about what did. If he had not been elected, he could have just said, "no, I was not elected," in line with his previous answers. I think that this is a very reasonable conclusion.
You can try to pick apart each detail, but when you put it ALL together,
the smoke signals,
Vatican loud speaker and radio reports that a pope had been elected,
Cardinals' assistants waving back to the crowd when the celebrations began,
Roncalli's unprecedented secret meeting after the conclave, so secretive that
Tisserant excommunicated Tardini on the spot for entering by mistake,
Scortesco's testimony,
Scortesco's death shortly after said testimony,
Malachi Martin,
Paul Williams,
Siri's statement, with an anguished look, that very serious things happened in the conclaves,
various Catholics prophecies regarding an Antipope usurping the See,
Sister Lucia stating that the Fatima Third Secret would be much clearer by 1960, a prophecy which according to those who read it referred to an apostasy beginning at the top,
and last but not least
the unprecedented Crisis and Apostasy in the Church, with a purported Ecuмenical Council that followed Masonic blueprints.
Add in Roncalli's disturbing background, accusations that he was a Mason, his strange use of the phrase "mysterious force" in his first Encyclical, a traditional occult name for Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Roncalli's foreknowledge that he would be elected ...
Entire books could be written about the conspiracy here. Only the willfully blind will deny it.
You can try to pick apart each detail, but when you put it ALL together,.
the smoke signals, easily could be a mistake
Vatican loud speaker and radio reports that a pope had been elected, triggered by previous
Cardinals' assistants waving back to the crowd when the celebrations began, possibly triggered by smoke
Roncalli's unprecedented secret meeting after the conclave, so secretive that
Tisserant excommunicated Tardini on the spot for entering by mistake, I will discuss this below
Scortesco's testimony, which Siri denied
Scortesco's death shortly after said testimony, not all that suspicious
Malachi Martin, oh please no ...
Paul Williams, already discussed, and lacking evidence
Siri's statement, with an anguished look, that very serious things happened in the conclaves, yeah! John 23 happened!!!
various Catholics prophecies regarding an Antipope usurping the See, oh, we certainly have that, I agree
Sister Lucia stating that the Fatima Third Secret would be much clearer by 1960, a prophecy which according to those who read it referred to an apostasy beginning at the top, yes, but could simply refer to John 23 and his successors
and last but not least
the unprecedented Crisis and Apostasy in the Church, with a purported Ecuмenical Council that followed Masonic blueprints.
Add in Roncalli's disturbing background, accusations that he was a Mason, his strange use of the phrase "mysterious force" in his first Encyclical, a traditional occult name for Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Roncalli's foreknowledge that he would be elected ...
Entire books could be written about the conspiracy here. Only the willfully blind will deny it.
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And you've proven my point with your comments inserted by each point. It's unlikely that ALL of your dismissals are true. If there are a dozen indicators in favor of a possible Siri election, they would ALL have to be false for you to be able to say that there's nothing there. It's a major stretch..
I don't buy it for one second that ALL of those pieces of evidence are nonsense, simply because Yeti wishes to gratuitously dismiss them. I in turn gratuitously reject your gratuitous denials.