Author Topic: St. Pius V regarding "the sin of Sodom" (Read 696 times)

Merry · « **on:** December 14, 2017, 05:36:25 PM »

PIUS [V], BISHOP, SERVANT OF THE SERVANTS OF GOD
FOR A PERPETUAL MEMORIAL OF THE MATTER

That abhorrent crime, by which the polluted federated [Papal] States burn by God's fearful judgment, enflames the bitterest sorrow in Us, and gravely moves Our soul, so that we give Our attentions to repress it as much as possible.

1. It was properly recognized by the Lateran Council that whatever Clerics will have been discovered to suffer from that incontinence which is against nature, because of which the wrath of God falls upon the sons of disobedience, are to be ejected from the clergy, or be forced to do penance in a Monastery.

2. But lest the contagion of go great a scourge, from the hope of impunity, which is the greatest lure of sinning, more confidently grow, We determine that clerics guilty of this ghastly crime are to be quite gravely punished, in order that with certainty the avenging sword of the civil laws deter those who do not abhor the ruin of the soul.

3. Therefore, because We have made a decree on this matter at the very beginning of Our Pontificate, now intending to follow up more fully and more boldly, We deprive all priests whoever, and all secular Clerics, and regular Clerics of whatsoever grade and dignity, participating in such a dire crime, of every clerical privilege, and every office, dignity, and Ecclesiastical benefice, by the authority of this Canon: that thus when they are degraded by the Ecclesiastical Judge, they be handed over immediately to the secular power, who shall exact from them that same penalty which is found enacted by licit sanctions upon laymen having fallen to this ruin. to have been constituted by legitimate sanctions against laymen who have slid down into this ruin. Nothing to the contrary withstanding, etc.

Given at Rome at St. Peter's, 30 August in the Year of the Lord's Incarnation 1568, in the third year of Our Pontificate.

Merry · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2017, 06:01:54 PM »

His full heading for the above was:

AGAINST WHATEVER CLERICS, BOTH SECULAR AND REGULAR, GUILTY OF THE UNSPEAKABLE CRIME
PIUS [V], BISHOP, SERVANT OF THE SERVANTS OF GOD
FOR A PERPETUAL MEMORIAL OF THE MATTER

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2017, 08:25:45 PM »

Here is the passage in Latin:

http://www.awrsipe.com/patrick_wall/selected_docuмents/1568%20Horrendum.pdf

It is interesting that "exitio" is translated into English in the OP as "ruin," which would have been better signified by the Latin noun "ruina."

"Exitio" would normally be translated as "destruction," though "ruin" is a secondary, less common, but acceptable, synonym.

I would be interested in knowing what any Latinists (which I am not) think of this English translation below, which seems to convey not the idea not that the sodomotes have "fallen to ruin" (as the OP translation has it), but rather, that they are to be destroyed (i.e., put to death):

“Therefore, wishing to pursue with greater rigor than we have exerted since the beginning of our pontificate, we establish that any priest or member of the clergy, either secular or regular, who commits such an execrable crime, by force of the present law be deprived of every clerical privilege, of every post, dignity and ecclesiastical benefit, and having been degraded by an ecclesiastical judge, let him be immediately delivered to the secular authority to be put to death, as mandated by law as the fitting punishment for laymen who have sunk into this abyss…” (Horrendum illud scelus)
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/n134_Sodomy_10.htm

Thanks in advance!

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2017, 08:38:19 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 14, 2017, 08:25:45 PM

Here is the passage in Latin:

http://www.awrsipe.com/patrick_wall/selected_docuмents/1568%20Horrendum.pdf

It is interesting that "exitio" is translated into English in the OP as "ruin," which would have been better signified by the Latin noun "ruina."

"Exitio" would normally be translated as "destruction," though "ruin" is a secondary, less common, but acceptable, synonym.

I would be interested in knowing what any Latinists (which I am not) think of this English translation below, which seems to convey not the idea not that the sodomotes have "fallen to ruin" (as the OP translation has it), but rather, that they are to be destroyed (i.e., put to death):

“Therefore, wishing to pursue with greater rigor than we have exerted since the beginning of our pontificate, we establish that any priest or member of the clergy, either secular or regular, who commits such an execrable crime, by force of the present law be deprived of every clerical privilege, of every post, dignity and ecclesiastical benefit, and having been degraded by an ecclesiastical judge, let him be immediately delivered to the secular authority to be put to death, as mandated by law as the fitting punishment for laymen who have sunk into this abyss…” (Horrendum illud scelus)
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/n134_Sodomy_10.htm

Thanks in advance!

A bit rusty here, but upon closer look, there is no doubt that the second, more severe translation, cited in my previous post is the accurate/intended one:

Somehow I missed the "money word," which is not "exitio" (which in the Latin is not referring to "destroying" the sodomite priest, but describing the state into which he has fallen -destruction or ruin- but "supplicium" (i.e., "execution").

In other words, if I am getting this right, Pius V is saying these priests are to be turned over to the secular authority to be "executed."

Matthew?

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