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« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2010, 02:58:39 PM »
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    Let him among you that is without sin cast the first stone.

    Every attempt bi those you presume not to submiT to excesses of knowledge filled with judgement is an opportunity for you to respond accordingly with thanks, gratitude and understanding.  After that you will see a joint and mutual submission when defenses come down. I am "sharing" not telling or preaching.  I've said, "Im sorry" and "Thank you" but still you shed shadows upon any attempts by me to have you shed some light and qualities of the Christian spirit.  

    WE and I and all of us have shadows, some darker than others.  "What are your shadows and how are they keeping you from seeing any light?" The latter quote is Kabbalah in essence it is a foundational inheritance or quality preceding Christianity.  It is a source in my quest for knowledge and wisdom as it is very much related to the old testament.  All of us have the Holy Spirit within us and we all feel and dream but are we listening to what is happening internally and prepared before you come out and address externally to others. It does not mean anyone person's perception is set in stone (like me) but we all move forward into the light by forgiveness and degrees of understanding, wisdom and rationale.  These are all gifts that we use to destroy and belittle rather than see.

    Anyway, I left a few typos and a taunting or two as a test for to to feed off of of in this posting in case you'd rather sling mud than the meaning and a thanks for sharing with us what you experienced and how you interpreted it.  

    PS: Just to share with you, my good friend, my source for Saint Christopher is a book by Kay Brigham. Columbus's objective was to open a route to evangelize the eastern orient and instead stumbled upon the Americas.  That is  why you see many mission ruins throughout the new world.  Saint James the Apostle of Spain evangelized to the west till he reached the ocean and could not go any further and Saint Christopher brought it past the ocean etc etc, history unfolds till all is said and done on earth as it is in heaven, this was his intention and priority.  Trade routes and human nature and politics were part of the east meets west as we are ALL imperfect when nations meet.  But the Church had its beautiful missions and message of Christ brought to them.  The result: the Virgin De Guadalupe and other things. Our quest and proclamation is not done until Christ returns.  


    Someone who canonizes their own saints is a heretic. If the author of that book does so, then he is a heretic. Christopher Columbus was a good man but didn't even have a position in the Church. Now someone like Archbishop LeFebvre can be called a saint because he will be one after the crisis in the Church is over. Columbus, on the other hand, lived hundreds of years ago and had no position in the Church except for being a lay person and to this day has not been canonized and never will be.

    Either way, Kabbalah should be avoided by Traditional Catholics no matter how you use that as an example. Some of the things you are saying sound very New Age. If you could please answer our questions maybe there wouldn't be so much confusion on this thread.


    Kabbalah has destroyed a lot of lives-Madonna and Brittany Spears for 2 examples, look how Spears went nutty after abandoning her Baptist background for it......as a baptist, she at least had some firm principles and decency....
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    « Reply #46 on: July 01, 2010, 03:01:20 PM »
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    Jaun, let's face facts. You are clearly a person that attends the Novus Ordo, you keep avoiding our questions, your viewpoints seem heretic and New Age, and you keep telling us to spend $12 on a book that speaks heresy several times just so you can make a profit. I don't think the Holy Ghost chose you to be a Prophet. It could have been your imagination or worse, it could have been a trick from Satan. Unless you're making this all up. Please answer our questions. I don't think anyone here will buy your book, especially since you won't even give us answers.


    Most NO would find him nutty......
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    « Reply #47 on: July 01, 2010, 05:12:23 PM »
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    Let him among you that is without sin cast the first stone.

    Every attempt bi those you presume not to submiT to excesses of knowledge filled with judgement is an opportunity for you to respond accordingly with thanks, gratitude and understanding.  After that you will see a joint and mutual submission when defenses come down. I am "sharing" not telling or preaching.  I've said, "Im sorry" and "Thank you" but still you shed shadows upon any attempts by me to have you shed some light and qualities of the Christian spirit.  

    WE and I and all of us have shadows, some darker than others.  "What are your shadows and how are they keeping you from seeing any light?" The latter quote is Kabbalah in essence it is a foundational inheritance or quality preceding Christianity.  It is a source in my quest for knowledge and wisdom as it is very much related to the old testament.  All of us have the Holy Spirit within us and we all feel and dream but are we listening to what is happening internally and prepared before you come out and address externally to others. It does not mean anyone person's perception is set in stone (like me) but we all move forward into the light by forgiveness and degrees of understanding, wisdom and rationale.  These are all gifts that we use to destroy and belittle rather than see.

    Anyway, I left a few typos and a taunting or two as a test for to to feed off of of in this posting in case you'd rather sling mud than the meaning and a thanks for sharing with us what you experienced and how you interpreted it.  

    PS: Just to share with you, my good friend, my source for Saint Christopher is a book by Kay Brigham. Columbus's objective was to open a route to evangelize the eastern orient and instead stumbled upon the Americas.  That is  why you see many mission ruins throughout the new world.  Saint James the Apostle of Spain evangelized to the west till he reached the ocean and could not go any further and Saint Christopher brought it past the ocean etc etc, history unfolds till all is said and done on earth as it is in heaven, this was his intention and priority.  Trade routes and human nature and politics were part of the east meets west as we are ALL imperfect when nations meet.  But the Church had its beautiful missions and message of Christ brought to them.  The result: the Virgin De Guadalupe and other things. Our quest and proclamation is not done until Christ returns.  


    Someone who canonizes their own saints is a heretic. If the author of that book does so, then he is a heretic. Christopher Columbus was a good man but didn't even have a position in the Church. Now someone like Archbishop LeFebvre can be called a saint because he will be one after the crisis in the Church is over. Columbus, on the other hand, lived hundreds of years ago and had no position in the Church except for being a lay person and to this day has not been canonized and never will be.

    Either way, Kabbalah should be avoided by Traditional Catholics no matter how you use that as an example. Some of the things you are saying sound very New Age. If you could please answer our questions maybe there wouldn't be so much confusion on this thread.


    Kabbalah has destroyed a lot of lives-Madonna and Brittany Spears for 2 examples, look how Spears went nutty after abandoning her Baptist background for it......as a baptist, she at least had some firm principles and decency....


    Now though, she has no decency what-so-ever. Neither does Madonna.
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    « Reply #48 on: July 01, 2010, 05:14:00 PM »
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    Jaun, let's face facts. You are clearly a person that attends the Novus Ordo, you keep avoiding our questions, your viewpoints seem heretic and New Age, and you keep telling us to spend $12 on a book that speaks heresy several times just so you can make a profit. I don't think the Holy Ghost chose you to be a Prophet. It could have been your imagination or worse, it could have been a trick from Satan. Unless you're making this all up. Please answer our questions. I don't think anyone here will buy your book, especially since you won't even give us answers.


    Most NO would find him nutty......


    Sadly though, some NO people would believe him even if he didn't answer their questions. I wouldn't be surprised if the people at CAF enjoyed reading his posts and agreed with them.
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    « Reply #49 on: July 01, 2010, 05:44:49 PM »
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    Kabbalah has destroyed a lot of lives-Madonna and Brittany Spears for 2 examples, look how Spears went nutty after abandoning her Baptist background for it......as a baptist, she at least had some firm principles and decency....

     
    :laugh2:

    Catholics are so innocent sometimes.  Kabbalah didn't ruin Madonna's life, or Britney Spears' life.  Britney was being used by Disney to sɛҳuąƖize children long before she dabbled in Kabbalah, if she did dabble -- she appears to be so drugged that I'm not sure she has the brains to comprehend anything.  She has since dropped Kabbalah ( whatever that means, since again, I doubt she understands the first thing about it ) and her Baptist father has her performing stripteases in public again.  

    Madonna was what she was before Kabbalah too.

    Kabbalah is really "secret" Jєωιѕн wisdom for the initiate.  The reality is that the Jews would laugh at goyim who think they know anything about the Kabbalah.  There is really no secret to the Kabbalah, though, it is probably just a series of alchemically coded world-domination plans mixed with a lot of spiritual-sounding gobbeldygook.  

    It is worse than Protestantism in that it doesn't accept Christ as savior, so it takes them one step further, but both are bad.  In the false religion of Luther you are free to sin boldly as long as you say "Jesus" a lot.  Not that Britney does say Jesus a lot.  I once saw a video of her, apparently drugged out of her skull, mocking some lady who told her she had to accept Jesus.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #50 on: July 01, 2010, 11:58:01 PM »
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    Thank you Dulcamara for that pleasant and serene posting.
    I want to share this section of my book located in Chapter 5  Tribulation Text.  All of my chapters lead up to this chapter, this is only a section of it.  This Chapter I didnt allow the editor to edit because I didn't want anyone to touch it especially the wolves you know what I mean (I got a sense of humor you guys and not totally literal as you presume to take all I say):  

    The Goats Leadeth Astray, January 8, 2009
    Thou art a goat, a pestering nuisance, belittling and exalting ye where every opportunity presents, even amongst thy brethren and especially thy unsuspecting enemies and even those apart who present to ye in love and sincerity. Runneth ye with little spoils of here and there to flatter yourselves now in this world. Knowing ye of such like an artful custom and craft of thee to intercede with your satan. Not grasping the Spirit proper and intentionally contributing in distortions, self power for thy place of custom or culture and even within your own thy seekest the same. Self devouring, self depleting, uncreating always at attention to any and all suggestion placed in thee by he. For he is at every table like a watchful dog, awaiting a summation to begin his cancerous growth of deceit. For he watches closely and loveth thee for use to his demise, like a prostitute he payeth ye off in gift and reward, so long as ye goes forth and fooleth thy sheep. This of which ye thinketh of your own doing and reward for thy self. Thy compliments and flatters for a mere now and not connecting of this for within and of benefit to the whole, but as deserving of such unhindered, wreckless knowledge of self exalt. Leashless, presenting and presuming thee even to be like sheep, to even lambs for proper ye present yourselves among the proper sheep and lambs, and leadeth ye into wild dogs and wolves. For evil knoweth Christ is the leash to our souls, for thus every means he will bring up to subdue ye here at the threat of life to the refusing sheep and lamb. Devouring in desperation if thy habitat is threatened and more if thy power is threatened, and more if the proper sheep should telleth ye proper.
    Thy demise a plan to destroyeth ye that telleth thee proper, just to maintaineth thee a proper pretense among the sheep and lambs, yet never ye submit. Even at the expense of the proper practice of the Sacrifice of the Lamb, yet preacheth ye of a false christ and of other gods united. For if such a necessary sacrifice would have been placed in thy hands from then to now, thy would have destroyed all with this Powerful and God Almighty task at hand. In pieces, shreds of meat and abominations, the Lamb of God would have been, even within the first century of thy undertaking, causing suffering amongst the poor sheep and lambs, that they should be the ones to maintain ye in comfort at their expense and grateful sacrifice and creation. For this reason, the sheep and lambs should inherit above ye and only above ye as Christ Almighty intended.
    Rebuttal it now ye blind goats, enrage now and show thy self for as thy truly is, you will be crushed and raked like leaves into your rightful place. Like devouring clowns are ye among the sheep and lambs when ye be exposed into thy real self - by your gifts of knowledge and material effort given to ye by Satan to survive amidst your world. Presumed glorious will ye be here proclaiming deceit and countering every righteous sign from God Proclaiming, fighting will be in your best of religious pretense and composure till thy real self revealed. When She giveth birth to the victorious Lamb ye will knoweth that thy time has come to descend ye back into hell. Your shepherd Satan shall round ye up as he shaped thee from then to now, as ye would listen in foolish submission, thinking it be of thy own secret thinking and rewarding but yet a gift by the god of the world. Thy will be given false miracles that thy will foolishly exalt amidst all to see; saying, look all for we are favored by a god, then ye more so plans thy fierce destruction, holding thy head up high in intoxication of thus. Goeth to the Lamb in humility and free of such things.


    Wow - most appalling attempt to mimic old English I have ever seen.  You probably ought to learn how to use old/middle/early modern English before you start writing false prophesies in it - otherwise you make it look like whoever is speaking to you (an angel or God I presume) can't speak English.  Let's just look at one line:

    "Thy demise a plan to destroyeth ye that telleth thee proper, just to maintaineth thee a proper pretense among the sheep and lambs, yet never ye submit"

    This makes no sense.

    Thy: genitive singular informal.
    Thou: nominative singular informal.  
    Thee: is accusative singular informal.
    Ye: nominative plural or formal.

    Your first thy is wrong - it should be "thou".  You then switch entirely from informal speech to formal (or plural) with "ye".

    So whoever spoke your alleged prophet chopped and changed between referring to you in the singular informal and in the plural or formal.  What a mess.

    You also say: "Thy will be given false miracles that thy will foolishly"

    It is "thou"  - is your angel illiterate?

    "Rebuttal it now ye blind goats"

    Rebuttal it?  That is an odd use of the verb "to rebut"  I think you meant "Rebut it now."

    Do you honestly think any of us here fall for this rubbish?  You speak with false humility and then post the most awful attempt to write early modern English that it is actually embarrassing.

    I would say that 99% of the people posting here read the Douay Rheims Bible each day and are very well familiar with the correct use of "thee", "thou", etc.  Obviously you have never read anything other than the RSV or NAB.

    If you want to be a real Catholic - show some TRUE humility and seek the faith in a traditional Chapel.  

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    « Reply #51 on: July 02, 2010, 12:00:31 AM »
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    All of us have the Holy Spirit within us and we all feel and dream but are we listening to what is happening internally and prepared before you come out and address externally to others.


    This is patently false and verging on pantheism.

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    « Reply #52 on: July 02, 2010, 12:33:26 AM »
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    I would say that 99% of the people posting here read the Douay Rheims Bible each day


    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #53 on: July 02, 2010, 08:04:36 AM »
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    All of us have the Holy Spirit within us and we all feel and dream but are we listening to what is happening internally and prepared before you come out and address externally to others.


    This is patently false and verging on pantheism.


    what-we all have that sprak of divinity?
    Juan may have had a angel speaking to him, not one of God's army though, but  :devil2:
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    « Reply #54 on: July 02, 2010, 01:09:52 PM »
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  • This guy sounds like a  Medjigorje (spelling?) Necedah,  :smoke-pot: crackpot.

    Thank you. That is all I have to say.
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    « Reply #55 on: July 02, 2010, 01:37:28 PM »
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    All of us have the Holy Spirit within us and we all feel and dream but are we listening to what is happening internally and prepared before you come out and address externally to others.


    This is patently false and verging on pantheism.


    what-we all have that sprak of divinity?
    Juan may have had a angel speaking to him, not one of God's army though, but  :devil2:


    That's kind of what I was talking about earlier. If Jaun really was told of a Prephecy, it was probably a trick from the Devil. What Jaun is saying doesn't even make sense. And since he is avoiding everyone's questions, I'm beginning to think he never had such an experience. I think one day he thought "Hey, I wonder how much money I could make by making up my own story and and selling it on amazon?" and wrote a book and put it up for sale hoping lots of people would buy it. I don't think one person here will.
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    « Reply #56 on: July 02, 2010, 01:47:21 PM »
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  • Hey, Jamie. :reading:

    Your grasp of Grammar is admirable.

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    « Reply #57 on: July 02, 2010, 01:56:20 PM »
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  • By the way, I also had a look at Jaun's book at amazon. No reviews on it, but you can tell something about the book doesn't seem right. He keeps talking about God "being with-in us" and states, as Jamie said, that the answer to God making us suffer lies with-in us. Complete heresy. Not to mention he mentions goats in his book. I wonder why Jaun likes talking about goats so much? And at the beginning of the book, he gives a quote from Carl Jung. Very wrong.

    Anyway, a very confusing book that speaks heresy on several occasions.
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    « Reply #58 on: July 08, 2010, 11:59:53 AM »
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  • Dear Gentlemen
    Your comments are valuable and thanks for sharing.  There was mention that my angel must have been illiterate when it came to old English style of writing.  One thing I feel is necessary to say concerning my experience and why I didn't want the editor to change anything in my TRib Text Chapter is: the heightened wisdom passes through the person in a manner relative to that person.  SO I felt I should leave it alone.  If you speak Tex-Mex or German or down in the hood slang it will transcribe as such.  The spirit does not discriminate it is distant yet near depending on your worthiness in a particular time and place etc.  It will flood to anyone in a naturally unbiased fashion, it is beyond human comprehension, it is pure love.  You have not concluded heresy or anything of the sort so give up the vain and proud attempt. You and I are of a faith smaller than a mustard seed, remember to focus on your faith being less than a mustard seed, so thereby any distinctions being made from this perspective makes us unworthy and merely answering to pride.  Do not taint yourselves as such but remain as small as you possibly can and then worthiness will pour forth.    

    I really believe that there will be only two sides, one calling out or proclaiming that it is time to gather under one roof and to this calling they will answer and distinguish the right path.  JUst to make a point from this example, if it is someone that comes from the most unattractive slum neighborhood or of poverty, or a mortal sinner he or she will be forgiven and  they will listen and move onto the calling.  The Holy Spirit speaks and we must be able to listen and not question and contest with elaborate pointlessness.  You are merely cultivating the negative side.  Practice humility even though it is not entirely you to act this way, get aquianted with it and feel love not hate.  If hate should come out there is foregiveness and your back to trying.  But don't give up.  Trust and do not fear when you find yourselves humiliated but with God in your heart and the hacklers are hollering at you.  Remain firm and love God till death for He will have mercy and the proper reward not of material but a spiritual oneness with everything and everyone around you.  

    The other side will be made of many options, ideologies and resources, as we see them now in our present state of intoxication, items and appealing luxuries that make us feel a sense of security but it will be false and a mere lure because when the materialism runs out there will be nothing.  

    Faith or no faith, believe or not, God will be poor not rich, humble not eleborate, forgiving not judgemental.  Suffering, prayer and poverty is important to see and feel God.   Not everything will be handed to you hand and foot in the manner of proper language grammar and well polished idols.  You must search within yourself to find God.  Don't be amongst the hacklers who will be pointing elaborate complicated accusations and finger pointing and deceptions and such nonsense at the innocent who refrain from such behaviors.  

    The grammar and old English I may just let my editor have at it with very little revision that makes meets my interpretation as intended.  

    On humility, I am trying and when my patience runs out then I expect foregiveness and we should do this for others.  This is partly our Christian duty not accusations and judgements and conclusions that sentence others etc.    

       

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    « Reply #59 on: July 08, 2010, 02:07:56 PM »
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    Dear Gentlemen
    Your comments are valuable and thanks for sharing.  There was mention that my angel must have been illiterate when it came to old English style of writing.  One thing I feel is necessary to say concerning my experience and why I didn't want the editor to change anything in my TRib Text Chapter is: the heightened wisdom passes through the person in a manner relative to that person.  SO I felt I should leave it alone.  If you speak Tex-Mex or German or down in the hood slang it will transcribe as such.  The spirit does not discriminate it is distant yet near depending on your worthiness in a particular time and place etc.  It will flood to anyone in a naturally unbiased fashion, it is beyond human comprehension, it is pure love.  You have not concluded heresy or anything of the sort so give up the vain and proud attempt. You and I are of a faith smaller than a mustard seed, remember to focus on your faith being less than a mustard seed, so thereby any distinctions being made from this perspective makes us unworthy and merely answering to pride.  Do not taint yourselves as such but remain as small as you possibly can and then worthiness will pour forth.    

    I really believe that there will be only two sides, one calling out or proclaiming that it is time to gather under one roof and to this calling they will answer and distinguish the right path.  JUst to make a point from this example, if it is someone that comes from the most unattractive slum neighborhood or of poverty, or a mortal sinner he or she will be forgiven and  they will listen and move onto the calling.  The Holy Spirit speaks and we must be able to listen and not question and contest with elaborate pointlessness.  You are merely cultivating the negative side.  Practice humility even though it is not entirely you to act this way, get aquianted with it and feel love not hate.  If hate should come out there is foregiveness and your back to trying.  But don't give up.  Trust and do not fear when you find yourselves humiliated but with God in your heart and the hacklers are hollering at you.  Remain firm and love God till death for He will have mercy and the proper reward not of material but a spiritual oneness with everything and everyone around you.  

    The other side will be made of many options, ideologies and resources, as we see them now in our present state of intoxication, items and appealing luxuries that make us feel a sense of security but it will be false and a mere lure because when the materialism runs out there will be nothing.  

    Faith or no faith, believe or not, God will be poor not rich, humble not eleborate, forgiving not judgemental.  Suffering, prayer and poverty is important to see and feel God.   Not everything will be handed to you hand and foot in the manner of proper language grammar and well polished idols.  You must search within yourself to find God.  Don't be amongst the hacklers who will be pointing elaborate complicated accusations and finger pointing and deceptions and such nonsense at the innocent who refrain from such behaviors.  

    The grammar and old English I may just let my editor have at it with very little revision that makes meets my interpretation as intended.  

    On humility, I am trying and when my patience runs out then I expect foregiveness and we should do this for others.  This is partly our Christian duty not accusations and judgements and conclusions that sentence others etc.    

       


    So you're saying we should ask you to forgive us? What exactly did we do or say that requires us to ask you for forgiveness? I, personally, think we are no more guilty of doing anything wrong than you are. You said you're in to kabbalah, which is a Jєωιѕн form of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Being invloved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ of any kind excludes you from the Catholic Church. Carl Jung should also be avoided. He was labeled the "father of New Age" and his writings and quotes are complete liberal trash. Just because Vatican II opened its doors to this garbage doesn't mean we as Catholics should go along with it as well.

    I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I am only trying to help you by telling you that these things should be avoided at all costs. And personally, I don't find this Prophecy story you speak of at all convincing, particularly because I'm still waiting for my questions to be answered. If our questions are not answered then how can we be convinced?
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.