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St. Joseph "the Worker" and Pius XII.
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2012, 01:08:08 PM »
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  • My turn for mea culpa - Raoul76 already posted that link.  I meant to copy another, but will allow for the reader's intelligence and/or interest to pursue further.




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    « Reply #16 on: October 29, 2012, 01:11:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    This is what happens when you open your yap too much right after converting. A ban of silence should be imposed on all Catholics until they have been Catholic for three years at least. Ugh, how I hate to read most of what I wrote, especially before around mid-2011.


    Thank you so much for your words, Raoul! These remind me a lot of my own failures...

    Maybe Catholics should remain silent on such things for all their lives, if they are not called to a teaching office, having reached a high degree of holiness and learning. :)
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    « Reply #17 on: October 29, 2012, 04:22:03 PM »
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  • Why St Joseph the Worker?  The word "worker" is exploited by communists and vulgar lefties.  

    Why not St Joseph the Carpenter?  

    Why not St Joseph the Foster Father?


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    « Reply #18 on: October 29, 2012, 04:43:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    SJB, I know about the prayer of Pius X.  I also do not worship Pius X the way many do.  It was Pius XII who made him a saint, remember?  He may really have been a saint, I don't know, but that canonization is invalid, in my opinion.

    For all I know the plot against the Church was so slow and long-range that even Pius X was part of it.  But I do not claim that to be true.  Someone could have suggested he write this St. Joseph the Working Man prayer and he did it innocently.  Again, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with seeing St. Joseph that way, but when you stack it up with all the other communist features of VII it appears that is how St. Joseph is being treated, as a sort of emblem of the worker-bee of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic Egypt.

    One troubling aspect of Pius X's reign, though, is that he did nothing to support Austria in World War I despite that they were taking the last stand against Masonry.  He just kept repeating "Peace, peace," kind of like Pius XII did, and that does bother me.  Popes used to actually take sides in wars, and that was when the wars were far less important than World War I for the future of Catholicism.  


    FWIW-- Raoul is among the libelers of Rampolla and I am not surprised to see him go after Pius X via Pius XII.
    Pius X was either dying or dead by the time the war starts. He cannot be accused of slighting Austria. At any rate Austria can hardly be said to be taking a 'last stand against Masonry' because Franz- Joseph was the Freemason.
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    « Reply #19 on: October 29, 2012, 11:08:18 PM »
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  • There is nothing sinister about Pope Pius Xll's decision in 1955 to institute the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker on May 1st.  Long before the Communists co-opted it, May 1st was set aside as a day of rest and to venerate honor the dignity of labor.  By instituting this feast, the pope was attempting to counteract the Commies.
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    « Reply #20 on: October 29, 2012, 11:19:14 PM »
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  • Again there is nothing sinister in the Church's usage of the symbol of the bee.  Like many other symbols that were originally Christian such as the all seeing eye surrounded by a triangle, the freemason's hijacked it.

    http://catholicism.org/the-bee-is-a-symbol-of-our-lady.html

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    The bee is a symbol of Our Lady. Because of its good working habits, the small honeybee is a well-known symbol for work, good order, and diligence. Less commonly known is that the bee is a representation of virginity. The worker bees have no part in the reproduction of its species, except for that of feeding the baby bees. The responsibilities of “bee parenting” are left to the queen bee and the drones. Since virginity is a virtue we find exemplified to its highest capacity in Our Lady, the bee quite naturally becomes one of Her symbols.

    Dom Gueranger, O.S.B., in his reading for the feast of Candlemas in The Liturgical Year,  quotes St. Anselm, the Archbishop of Canturbury, who “bids us consider three things in the blest Candle: the wax, the wick, and the flame. The wax, … which is the production of the virginal bee, is the flesh of Our Lord [supplied by the Virgin Mary]; the wick, which is within, is His Soul; the flame, which burns on the top, is His Divinity.”

    The honey, which the bee works to make, is symbolic of sweetness and religious eloquence. For this reason, the beehive is emblematic of St. Ambrose (†397) and St. Bernard of Clairvaux (†1153), two Doctors of the Church known for their eloquence “as sweet as honey.
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    « Reply #21 on: October 30, 2012, 12:16:19 AM »
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  • The eye in the triangle being originally 'Christian' is news to moi.  :confused1:
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    « Reply #22 on: October 30, 2012, 12:48:12 AM »
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    The eye in the triangle being originally 'Christian' is news to moi.  :confused1:


    Yeah, the golden pyramid with a sunburst at the apex is a classic Catholic symbol of the Blessed Trinity.  Our enemies never have been able to do any better than imitate us.  The Devil's entire act is to play the role of God's doppelganger.  Evil is a false similitude.  

     :surprised:




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    « Reply #23 on: October 30, 2012, 12:19:55 PM »
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    Again there is nothing sinister in the Church's usage of the symbol of the bee.  Like many other symbols that were originally Christian such as the all seeing eye surrounded by a triangle, the freemason's hijacked it.

    http://catholicism.org/the-bee-is-a-symbol-of-our-lady.html

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    The bee is a symbol of Our Lady. Because of its good working habits, the small honeybee is a well-known symbol for work, good order, and diligence. Less commonly known is that the bee is a representation of virginity. The worker bees have no part in the reproduction of its species, except for that of feeding the baby bees. The responsibilities of “bee parenting” are left to the queen bee and the drones. Since virginity is a virtue we find exemplified to its highest capacity in Our Lady, the bee quite naturally becomes one of Her symbols.

    Dom Gueranger, O.S.B., in his reading for the feast of Candlemas in The Liturgical Year,  quotes St. Anselm, the Archbishop of Canturbury, who “bids us consider three things in the blest Candle: the wax, the wick, and the flame. The wax, … which is the production of the virginal bee, is the flesh of Our Lord [supplied by the Virgin Mary]; the wick, which is within, is His Soul; the flame, which burns on the top, is His Divinity.”

    The honey, which the bee works to make, is symbolic of sweetness and religious eloquence. For this reason, the beehive is emblematic of St. Ambrose (†397) and St. Bernard of Clairvaux (†1153), two Doctors of the Church known for their eloquence “as sweet as honey.


    Could an example of the 'Christian' all seeing eye in the triangle be posted. I have never seen any Catholic representations as such.
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    « Reply #24 on: October 30, 2012, 12:28:14 PM »
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    Could an example of the 'Christian' all seeing eye in the triangle be posted. I have never seen any Catholic representations as such.



    These are very easy to find. A few examples:


    At Aachen Cathedral:




    Salta Cathedral:




    A Church in Alsace:




    An altar in Ratibor:

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    « Reply #25 on: October 30, 2012, 12:30:59 PM »
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  • The screen has gone bonkers but any all-seeing eye in a Catholic Church does not belong there & is of heretical origin.
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    « Reply #26 on: October 30, 2012, 01:26:20 PM »
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    Quote from: roscoe
    The eye in the triangle being originally 'Christian' is news to moi.  :confused1:


    Yeah, the golden pyramid with a sunburst at the apex is a classic Catholic symbol of the Blessed Trinity.  Our enemies never have been able to do any better than imitate us.  The Devil's entire act is to play the role of God's doppelganger.  Evil is a false similitude.  

     :surprised:




    Guess my above comment isn't any too clear.  What I'm trying to say is that, yes, we Catholics have a very rich heritage of symbolism of our own and, by and large, the Masons and other anti-Catholics have plagiarized from our treasure house of symbols.  This is what seems to surprise those among us who are developing dangerously Jansenist tendencies.  ( :scared2:)

    Instead of descending more and more into paranoid iconoclasm we would do better to dedicate that time and energy to appreciating our own Catholic art and mythology with the incomparable wealth of meanings within it.  Protestantism is boring and fearful; Catholicism is awesome and richly rewarding; we shouldn't waste our Catholic time on Protestant attitudes that fear-monger against our Catholic heritage.

    We should enjoy the authentic solar symbolism of our religion to our heart's content.

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    « Reply #27 on: October 30, 2012, 04:05:19 PM »
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    There is nothing sinister about Pope Pius Xll's decision in 1955 to institute the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker on May 1st.  Long before the Communists co-opted it, May 1st was set aside as a day of rest and to venerate honor the dignity of labor.  By instituting this feast, the pope was attempting to counteract the Commies.


    Rows,

    When was May 1st established as a worker's holiday?  And by whom?  Work, apart from any designator, is merely work.  Honest work is good, dishonest work is disrepuable.  Why honor work for work's sake alone?  That's being led by a force other than the Holy Ghost.

    May has, to my understanding, always been the month of honoring the Blessed Mother with May Crownings (something Paul VI never participated in as the Bishop of Milan...).

    As for Pope Pius XII wanting to somehow hijack the communists by, what?, becoming one?  Do we defeat the devil by following the devil?  Is this a benevolent form of me tooism?  Communism reduces man to a tool in a toolbox.  It's to be rejected, not embraced.  I'm not saying Pius XII is guilty, just that there are so many "what about that?" type questions.  Raoul76 went over the top and he rightfully apologized but his error was in overreaching.  

    Now, I could be exaggerating, but are there other feast days for St. Joseph that don't denigrate him to such a reductionist manner as describing him as a "worker"?  After all, God blessed him with the responsibility of protecting and guiding the Blessed Virgin and God blessed him with the dream warning of Our Lord's danger.  God blessed St. Joseph with the amazing privilege of being the chaste spouse of Our Lady.  So, someone decided to call him "worker"?


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    « Reply #28 on: October 30, 2012, 04:36:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Quote from: rowsofvoices9
    There is nothing sinister about Pope Pius Xll's decision in 1955 to institute the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker on May 1st.  Long before the Communists co-opted it, May 1st was set aside as a day of rest and to venerate honor the dignity of labor.  By instituting this feast, the pope was attempting to counteract the Commies.


    Rows,

    When was May 1st established as a worker's holiday?  And by whom?  Work, apart from any designator, is merely work.  Honest work is good, dishonest work is disrepuable.  Why honor work for work's sake alone?  That's being led by a force other than the Holy Ghost.

    May has, to my understanding, always been the month of honoring the Blessed Mother with May Crownings (something Paul VI never participated in as the Bishop of Milan...).

    As for Pope Pius XII wanting to somehow hijack the communists by, what?, becoming one?  Do we defeat the devil by following the devil?  Is this a benevolent form of me tooism?  Communism reduces man to a tool in a toolbox.  It's to be rejected, not embraced.  I'm not saying Pius XII is guilty, just that there are so many "what about that?" type questions.  Raoul76 went over the top and he rightfully apologized but his error was in overreaching.  

    Now, I could be exaggerating, but are there other feast days for St. Joseph that don't denigrate him to such a reductionist manner as describing him as a "worker"?  After all, God blessed him with the responsibility of protecting and guiding the Blessed Virgin and God blessed him with the dream warning of Our Lord's danger.  God blessed St. Joseph with the amazing privilege of being the chaste spouse of Our Lady.  So, someone decided to call him "worker"?



    Capt. McQuigg,

    Before Pope Pius XII made May 1st the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker that day was the Feast of Sts. James and Philip.  St. James was always the patron saint of pilgrims and the poor.  Most of the Catholic pilgrims were poor so the connection was a natural one to make.  Then in the 19th Century most of the Catholic landless peasants became the urban working class so that by the reign of Pope Pius XII most all the Catholic poor were among the proletariat or working class.  Hence to move from the Feast day of St. James to the Feast day of St. Joseph the Worker on the same date of May 1st was completely consistent with the existing Catholic liturgical tradition.  Perhaps what you may be missing is that our religion isn't only masculine and harshly truthful but also has a more feminine dimension that emphasizes compassion, and therefore compassion for the poor and the workers. Our quarrel with the Reds isn't that they are too compassionate towards the working class, but rather that they are hypocrites who simply use the working class and poor for purposes entirely harmful to the workers and poor.  We object that their compassion is false, not that it is excessive.

    And when St. Joseph looked out for the youthful Jesus and protected Him so that He could get His start in life, then St. Joseph made himself an ideal model for Holy Church's care and compassion for the workers and the poor.  The Catholic workers are in that respect like the youthful Jesus and St. Joseph is most rightly their Patron on the traditional Catholic feast day of the poor and the working class, May 1st.

    As usual, it was the false Judaics who plagiarized our true Catholic tradition in defense of the workers, not the other way round.



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    « Reply #29 on: October 30, 2012, 05:31:33 PM »
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    http://www.crystalinks.com/mayday.html

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    May Day is a name for various holidays celebrated on May 1. The holiday is most often associated with the commemoration of the social and economic achievements of the labor movement. The May 1st date is used because in 1884 the American Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions demanded an eight-hour workday, to come in effect as of May 1, 1886. This resulted in the general strike and the Haymarket Riot of 1886, but eventually also in the official sanction of the eight-hour workday.

    May Day is celebrated as Labour Day in most countries around the world, including the United Kingdom.


    http://www.theholidayspot.com/mayday/labor_day.htm

    The Secular significance of the Day:

    Over the past century, May Day came to acquire new meanings. Some of them have even become quite opposed to the tradition of lighthearted joyfulness with Maypoles, Morris dance, and bathing in the May dew. Strange though, they still revolve round the old significance of the day. That is, a day of feast and festival in the month of Summer. Yet for which there is no such church service as that of Christmas, Easter, or . This is why it has always been a strong secular festival. And the same significance also helped working people in picking it up as the day to celebrate as a day off their work. By the 20th century May Day has come to be regarded a red letter day and has become a festival of the laboring class in Socialist countries.

    But the secular significance alone has not made the Day a memorable day to observe by the labor. The labor link to this day is rather highlighted by a story of labor strife and bƖσσdshɛd.

    The American root:
     
    And it is all rooted to the labor movement in United States during the 19th century. Then the country had been witnessing labor unrests and agitations for over a century. But mostly in an unorganized manner. In the 19th century it became more organized with the workers becoming worried over their position in the mainstream society. During the 1860s the Knights of Labor gave a new dimension to this organized labor movement.

    From Labor Day to May Day - the shift:
     
    In 1884 the group held a parade on the first Monday of September. And then it passed a resolution to hold all future parades on that day designating it as Labor Day. The Knights of Labor soon came to be regarded as the most dominant of all labor unions in the US.

    However, things changed. The year 1886 was a troubled one in labor relations. There were nearly 1,600 strikes, involving about 600,000 workers, with the eight-hour day being the most prominent item in the demands of labor. About half of these strikes were called in on May Day.

    Now, some of those strikes were successful. But the failure of others and internal conflicts between skilled and unskilled members led to a decline in the Knights' popularity and influence.

    The most serious blow to the unions came from a tragic occurrence. And this was what made the May 1 as an important day in the history of Labor Movement in America. Though it did not take place on May Day itself, but it came as a consequence whose origin was laid on that day.

    If you are looking for an extensive coverage on Labor day celebrations, Click Here.

    The mayhem:

    It was one of the many strikes called for May Day in 1886. And it was against the McCormick Harvesting Machine Company in Chicago. The air was already heated with inflammatory speeches and debates. On May 3 a fighting broke out along the picket lines. And, when police intervened to restore order, several strikers were injured or killed. Union leaders called a protest meeting at Haymarket Square for the evening of May 4; but, it was there yet another gory incident took place as a result of a bomb explosion. Seven policemen were killed and many were injured. Eight unionists, alleged to be responsible for the incident, were arrested, tried, and convicted of murder. Four of them were hanged, and one committed ѕυιcιdє.

    Following this tragedy the public sympathy with organized labors went down. The Knights of Labor did never gain ground after this. Though strikes went on to be held. Some other unions came to the forefront. One of them was an association of French Socialists, called the Second International. It was in 1889, they declared the May Day devoted to labor and its problem. They renamed it "Labor Day" and it was the occasion for important political demonstrations. In France, the Maypole had already regarded as the symbol of French Revolution. And perhaps the French union was partly motivated by that spirit behind the day.

    The Socialist celebration:

    But the idea really gained ground in other parts of the world with the International Socialist congress of 1889 in Paris. It was the congress that designating it as an international labor day. While in the United States and Canada, Labor Day still continues to be observed on the first Monday in September, rest of the world observes it on May 1 or other dates.

    At present, the May Day connection, best known outside the Maypoles, is the celebration of the Russian Communists. It was in the 1920s, they inaugurated the May Day parades. It was a major holiday in the Soviet Union and other Communist countries, and also in many other parts of the world. Even in today's Russia it is an annual holiday devoted to the recognition of working people's contribution to society.A unique display of the most modern weapons and seemingly endless troops of soldiers is held in Moscow, the capital of Russia on this day. This is how May Day, once mainly a spring festival, has become a festival of the laboring class in Socialist countries.


     
    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus