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Offline Raoul76

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St. Joseph "the Worker" and Pius XII.
« on: April 19, 2010, 02:00:08 PM »
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  • Stevusmagnus in another thread suggests someone pray to "St. Joseph the Worker."  The inclusion of St. Joseph in the Canon by John XXIII has always smacked of a communistic mindset to me.  Not that there is anything communistic about St. Joseph, but the way his being a working man has been emphasized in recent years is definitely troublesome -- think of the worker-priest movements under Pius XI.  

    What a shock to find my old friend Pius XII is the one who is behind the new appellation of St. Joseph as "the Worker."

    Wikipedia entry on St. Joseph:
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    "This 'Solemnity of St. Joseph, Spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Patron of the Universal Church", referred to also as the "Patronage" feast to distinguish it from that of 19 March, appears in the calendars of those years for celebration on Wednesday of the second week after the Octave of Easter (i.e. the third Wednesday after Easter) and was celebrated with an octave of its own. Pope Pius XII abolished this feast in 1955, and at the same time established a new feast day, that of Saint Joseph the Worker (a Double of the First Class), for celebration on 1 May, a date chosen to coincide with the celebration in many countries of Labour Day (May Day)."


    Pius XII suppressed the Solemnity of St. Joseph, essentially changing St. Joseph's image from the earthly foster father of Jesus into someone associated entirely with manual labor.

    Then I found this.  Ha ha --

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    "Pope Pius XII made the first of May an official holiday that honors Saint Joseph the Worker and a feast is held in his tribute.  Joseph was chosen to be the honorary saint for this day, which has been a holiday for socialists and other workers."


    http://www.stjosephstatueguide.com/st-joseph-statue-guides/the-history-of-st-joseph/

    Here, enjoy Pius XII's speech about the Freemasonic symbol of the bee.  One day he just woke up and thought to himself, "Hm, I've gotta give a speech about BEES today.  It's just one of those irresistible impulses I have!"

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P12BEES.HTM

    http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/symbolism/bees.html
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    St. Joseph "the Worker" and Pius XII.
    « Reply #1 on: April 19, 2010, 06:29:24 PM »
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    The inclusion of St. Joseph in the Canon by John XXIII has always smacked of a communistic mindset to me.


    The idea of placing St. Joseph into the canon was around for quite some time. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with this.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    St. Joseph "the Worker" and Pius XII.
    « Reply #2 on: April 19, 2010, 06:55:12 PM »
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  • How interesting...

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    « Reply #3 on: April 19, 2010, 07:50:26 PM »
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    Prayer to St. Joseph the Workman, Composed by Pope St. Pius X

    O Glorious St. Joseph, model of all those who are devoted to labor, obtain for me the grace to work conscientiously, putting the call of duty above my natural inclinations, to work with gratitude and joy, in a spirit of penance for the remission of my sins, considering it an honor to employ and develop by means of labor the gifts received from God, to work with order, peace, moderation and patience, without ever shrinking from weariness and difficulties, to work above all with purity of intention and detachment from self, having always death before my eyes and the account that I must render of time lost, of talents wasted, of good omitted, of vain complacency in success, so fatal to the work of God. All for Jesus, all through Mary, all after thine example, O Patriarch, St. Joseph. Such shall be my watch-word in life and in death.
    Amen
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 04:50:50 AM »
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  • He may have been creating an avenue whereby Catholics in countries where these secular holidays were being celebrated could celebrate a Catholicized version of the theme.

    Sort of similar to all souls day being celebrated and Catholicizing the previously pagan Halloween.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 05:46:05 AM »
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  • I read that somewhere Stevusmagnus. It was to take away from the May Day celebrations by having Catholics remember a St. Joseph was a working man who was CATHOLIC.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 07:41:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: SJB
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    The inclusion of St. Joseph in the Canon by John XXIII has always smacked of a communistic mindset to me.


    The idea of placing St. Joseph into the canon was around for quite some time. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with this.


    True, he is part of the Holy Family (Mother, Father, Jesus). and yes, he was a hard working laborer, so what Raoul? was Leo XIII and Pius XI communists for their encyclicals (RN and QA)?

    how is placing a man who is in business for himself, working his guts out to support Mary and Christ communistic? would be more communistic to have dad drive 40-50 minutes to a slave wage job....
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    « Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 08:22:46 PM »
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    I read that somewhere Stevusmagnus. It was to take away from the May Day celebrations by having Catholics remember a St. Joseph was a working man who was CATHOLIC.


    Thanks for that.

    That said, liberal clergy have most likely turned the Feast into some sort of liberation theology Feast it was never meant to be.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 22, 2010, 06:46:04 PM »
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  • stevusmagnus said:
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    "That said, liberal clergy have most likely turned the Feast into some sort of liberation theology Feast it was never meant to be."


    Ah, but are you sure that it was never meant to be that way?  What if that's exactly how it was set up?  I have long said that Pius XII did everything he could to grease the skids to Vatican II, from relaxing disciplinary laws -- not just NFP -- to daring to touch the Vulgate translation of the Bible ( the Psalms ) to allowing Bugnini to tinker with the Mass.  Changing the feast of St. Joseph strikes me as another one of his cagey preparations for the Council he knew was coming.

    There is nothing intrinsically wrong with focusing on St. Joseph as a working man as at least one aspect of his character.  If that were the only problem with recent Popes or "Popes," I'd never have mentioned it.  It is the timing of it that concerns me.  And it also just fits too well with so many other actions of Pius XII.
    Pius XII's speeches are riddled with references to workers and workmen, as are speeches of later "Popes" who always speak of progress and labor.  There is nothing wrong with work, of course, it's a necessary part of life, but we are living in a Judeo-Masonic hive.  The architects of Vatican II are well aware that they are rebuilding a kind of Egyptian slave state from which they hope no one will be able to escape.  They are boasting about this publicly and people need to be aware of it.  

    It is also well-known that the devil tries to make people work harder and harder so that they don't have time to think.  This is why our society today is so frenzied.  Hard work so that no one can think + a fake, watered-down Catholic religion = The great risk of hell for many Catholic workingmen.  You can get sentimental all you want but the fact remains but the common Mexican laborer, for instance, no longer possesses even a semblance of the real Catholic religion, and essentially goes to Mass to throw a big pagan party.  It may not be pleasant to hear, but it's the truth.  These VII people set themselves up as champions of the lower classes but they are really mocking them.  Who does that remind you of?  That's right -- communists.


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    St. Joseph "the Worker" and Pius XII.
    « Reply #9 on: April 22, 2010, 06:52:58 PM »
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  • SJB, I know about the prayer of Pius X.  I also do not worship Pius X the way many do.  It was Pius XII who made him a saint, remember?  He may really have been a saint, I don't know, but that canonization is invalid, in my opinion.

    For all I know the plot against the Church was so slow and long-range that even Pius X was part of it.  But I do not claim that to be true.  Someone could have suggested he write this St. Joseph the Working Man prayer and he did it innocently.  Again, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with seeing St. Joseph that way, but when you stack it up with all the other communist features of VII it appears that is how St. Joseph is being treated, as a sort of emblem of the worker-bee of Judeo-Masonic Egypt.

    One troubling aspect of Pius X's reign, though, is that he did nothing to support Austria in World War I despite that they were taking the last stand against Masonry.  He just kept repeating "Peace, peace," kind of like Pius XII did, and that does bother me.  Popes used to actually take sides in wars, and that was when the wars were far less important than World War I for the future of Catholicism.  

    Another thing about Pius X that bothers me is the following passage --

    Notre Charge Apostolique, Pius X
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    We do not have to demonstrate here that the advent of universal Democracy is of no concern to the action of the Church in the world; we have already recalled that the Church has always left to the nations the care of giving themselves the form of government which they think most suited to their needs.


    I am aware that he is saying that democracy in general, as a system of government, is not opposed to the work of the Catholic Church.  That is true, I guess.  But this universal democracy he's talking about is the New World Order, folks.  I would say it is definitely of concern to the action of the Church!  In fact, it has pretty much neutralized the action of the Church.  

    With 20/20 hindsight we can see all this; maybe Pius X could not.  But that is kind of dubious since he spoke elsewhere AGAINST an international government.  Are you telling me he couldn't figure out that the universal democracy and the international government were the same thing?
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    « Reply #10 on: April 22, 2010, 07:02:34 PM »
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  • As an addendum to the above post, there is another explanation for Pius X's behavior during World War I, and that is that he knew Austria couldn't win and didn't want them to rush out and commit suicide.  Maybe he saw that they were walking into a trap.
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    « Reply #11 on: April 23, 2010, 10:14:35 AM »
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    I am aware that he is saying that democracy in general, as a system of government, is not opposed to the work of the Catholic Church.  That is true, I guess.  But this universal democracy he's talking about is the New World Order, folks.  I would say it is definitely of concern to the action of the Church!  In fact, it has pretty much neutralized the action of the Church.


    This is incorrect, I think. The term "universal democracy" only indicates that widespread "democracy" is no concern because an individual democratic state is of no concern. I don't see this as any kind of reference to a "one world" government.
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    « Reply #12 on: October 29, 2012, 12:32:18 PM »
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  • MY APOLOGIES TO PIUS XII.

    Another thread where I have to do reparation. I apologize for suggesting and/or saying that Pius XII was a communist or that there was sinister intent behind some of his decisions. There are things about his papacy that are odd, but there is no way to draw any conclusion about him from them; it's all too ambiguous.

    A pope deciding one day to write about bees is certainly strange -- especially when you factor it in with the "St. Joseph the Worker" idea. But as they are in themselves, there is nothing wrong with either decision.

    This is what happens when you open your yap too much right after converting. A ban of silence should be imposed on all Catholics until they have been Catholic for three years at least. Ugh, how I hate to read most of what I wrote, especially before around mid-2011.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 29, 2012, 12:54:24 PM »
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  • I aspire to your capacity for humility, Raoul76.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 29, 2012, 01:04:05 PM »
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    A pope deciding one day to write about bees is certainly strange -- especially when you factor it in with the "St. Joseph the Worker" idea


    I - like many other traditional Catholics -  am overly suspicious of all things related to freemasonry.  Their symbolism is used to hide in plain sight.  So things that appear "strange" warrant investigation.
    If you do a search re: "bees" and "freemason" , it is disturbing.  For example, from a lodge website: http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/symbolism/bees.html

    I pray to Almighty God that our pope's "strange" writing on bees was merely coincidental to 'the worker' image of our beloved St. Joseph.

     

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