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St. John Ch3vs.5 Cornelius a Lapide
« on: January 25, 2014, 09:24:09 AM »
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  • Fr. Lapide (1567-1637) wrote exegesis on all the books of the Bible with the exception of the Book of Job and Psalms. His work was respected throughout all of Christendom for centuries and the saints often make reference to his "Great Commentaries". Please see his biography in the Catholic Encyclopedia. His authority to write exegesis on the Scriptures holds precedence over any lay person making commentary on this forum.

     In his commentary on the Gospel of St. John, Chapter 3 vs. 5 he does make these notes that pertain to understanding Our Lord's words to Nicodemus through the understanding of The Council of Trent:


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    5. All the Fathers and orthodox interpreters explain the passage in the same way as the Council of Trent (Sess. 7, Can. 2). Nor are the words in S. Matthew, “He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire,” any contradiction. For there real fire is to be understood, as here true water. For there the day of Pentecost was referred to, when the Holy Ghost came down upon the apostles in the likeness of tongues of fire.

    Very appropriately, moreover, was water ordained by Christ in baptism for this spiritual regeneration. 1. Because water excellently represents inward regeneration. For out of water at the beginning of the world were the whole heavens and all other things born and produced. 2. Because moisture, such as is in water, is a chief agent in the production of offspring, as physicists teach. Again, because justification is a cleansing of the soul from the filth of sin it is well figured by water. As S. Chrysostom says upon this passage, “Like as it were in a tomb our heads are submerged beneath the water: our old man being buried is hidden beneath the water, and then the new man ariseth in its stead.” Lastly, the commonness and abundance of water makes it to be convenient matter for the necessity of this sacrament. For it is everywhere easily procurable.

    You may ask why Christ says, except a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, and did not rather say, of water and the form of baptism? For water is the matter of baptism, but the form is, I baptize thee in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. For the sacrament of baptism consists of its matter and form, as its essential parts. I reply, because Christ wished to describe to Nicodemus, a prejudiced old man, the new teaching of spiritual life and generation, by means of the analogy and similitude of natural generation, in which a father and mother concur. So in like manner to spiritual regeneration, which takes place in baptism, water as it were the mother concurs, and the Holy Ghost as the Father. For He is the chief agent and producer of grace and holiness, by which the children of God are born again in baptism.

    From this passage S. Augustine (lib. 1, de peccat. c. 10) proves, against Pelagius, that infants are born in original sin. For that is the reason why they must be born again in baptism, that they may be cleansed from that sin. And he exposes the folly of the Pelagians, who, in order to elude the force of this passage, said that infants dying without baptism would enter into the kingdom of heaven and eternal life, but not into the kingdom of God; as if the kingdom of God were something different from the kingdom of heaven.

    Lastly, born of water ought here to be understood either in actual fact, or by desire. For he who repents of his sins, and desires to be baptized, but either from want of water, or lack of a minister, is not able to receive it, is born again through (ex) the desire and wish for baptism. [So the Council of Trent fully explains this passage (Sess. 7, Can. 4).*


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    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/scripture/newtestament/3john.htm





    Council of Trent session VII Canon 2

    CANON II.-If any one saith, that these said sacraments of the New Law do not differ from the sacraments of the Old Law, save that the ceremonies are different, and different the outward rites; let him be anathema.



    Council of Trent session VII Canon 4
    CANON IV.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema.

    *For those of you who read Latin : (see top of page):

    https://archive.org/stream/commentariiinsac08lapi#page/912/mode/2up


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    St. John Ch3vs.5 Cornelius a Lapide
    « Reply #1 on: January 25, 2014, 09:50:21 PM »
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  • Thanks for including the Latin link as well.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 25, 2014, 09:51:25 PM »
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    « Reply #3 on: January 26, 2014, 01:06:58 PM »
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    Thanks for including the Latin link as well.


    You are welcome Mabel. I included the Latin because I knew it was necessary to show very clearly that the Fr. a Lapide used the words "VEL REIPSA, VEL VOTO " ( translated as : in actual fact, or by desire). Also he very clearly states ..." is not able to receive it" (by lack of water or lack of a minister) "is born again through (ex) the desire and wish for baptism:
    "RENASCITUR EX BAPTISMI VOTO ET DESIDERIO" 

    I am sorry to say, there will be those on this forum who will first deny the meaning of these words. Then there will be a denial of the authorities in Rome knowing what Fr. a Lapide wrote in his commentary on St. John Ch.3 vs. 5 back in the early 1600s and then there may even be a cry against the authenticity of this particular Latin edition which as one can see, was published in 1839. 

    I guess if people can imagine that St. Alphonsus meant something different than what he said, and that the authorities were blind to the teachings in the Catechisms, Moral Theology books and Treatises written from the mid 1500s all the way up to the early 1900s than I guess they cannot trust the judgments of the Church during a saner period. We all need to pray for one another because trust has been eroded.

    While we are here on earth, we are not privy to know how often this true repentance and desire actually happens, but it is surely known by God. The Sacrament of Baptism is the necessary means, that we should all know and act upon. If we are brought to the point of trying to understand more fully the nature of the sacrament because of our questions on desire and blood, that is a means to understand better the beauty of Divine Mercy and His Creation. 

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    « Reply #4 on: January 26, 2014, 01:10:39 PM »
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  • Here is the brief history of Cornelius a Lapide from the Catholic 
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    Cornelius Cornelii a Lapide

    (Cornelis Cornelissen van den Steen)
    Flemish Jesuit and exegete, b. at Bocholt, in Flemish Limburg, 18 December, 1567; d. at Rome, 12 March, 1637. He studied humanities and philosophy at the Jesuit colleges of Maestricht and Cologne, theology first, for half a year, at the University of Douai, and afterwards for four years at Louvain; he entered the Society of Jesus, 11 June, 1592, and, after two years' noviciate and another year of theology, was ordained priest 24 December, 1595. After teaching philosophy for half a year, he was made professor of Holy Scripture at Louvain in 1596 and next year of Hebrew also. Twenty years later, in 1616, he was called to Rome in the same capacity, where, on the 3rd of November, he assumed the office which he filled with such renown for many years after. The latter years of his life, however, he seems to have devoted exclusively to finishing and correcting his celebrated commentaries. He was a sincerely pious and zealous priest and an exemplary religious. During his professorship at Louvain he liked to spend his holidays preaching and administering the sacraments, especially at the pilgrimage of Scherpenheuvel (Montaigu). With moving simplicity and truth he portrayed himself in an emotional prayer to the Prophets at the end of his commentary on Daniel: "For nearly thirty years I suffer with and for you with gladness the continual martyrdom of religious life, the martyrdom of illness, the martyrdom of study and writing; obtain for me also, I beseech you, to crown all, the fourth martyrdom, of blood. For you I have spent my vital and animal spirits; I will spend my blood too." With his brethren in religion at Rome he enjoyed so high a reputation for sanctity that, when he died, they gave him a separate burial place, in order to be the more certain of finding his bones when eventually, as they hoped, he should receive the honour of beatification.
    Cornelius a Lapide wrote ample commentaries on all the books of the Catholic Canon of Scripture, with the exception only of Job and the Psalms. Even before leaving Flanders, he edited the "Commentaries in omnes divi Pauli epistolas" (1614) and, "in Pentateuchum" (1616), both at Antwerp. The commentaries on the Greater and Lesser Prophets, on the Acts of the Apostles, the Canonical Epistles and the Apocalypse, Ecclesiasticus and the Proverbs, followed later on. The rest were edited only after his death; but all of them have been several times re-edited, both separately and collectively. Of the Commentary on the Epistles of St. Paul he himself was permitted to see at least eleven editions. The complete series, with Job and the Psalms added by other hands, appeared at Antwerp, 1681, 1714; at Venice, 1717, 1740, 1798; at Cologne, 1732; at Turin, 1838; at Lyons, 1839-42, 1865 and 1866; at Malta, 1843-46; at Naples, 1854; at Lyons and Paris, 1855 and 1856; at Milan, 1857; at Paris, 1859-63. The best-mentioned edition has been enriched by Crampon and Péronne with annotations from more recent interpreters. All these commentaries are on a very large scale. They explain not only the literal, but also the allegorical, tropological, and anagogical sense of the sacred text, and furnish a large number of quotations from the Fathers and the later interpreters of Holy Writ during the Middle Ages. Like most of his predecessors and contemporaries, a Lapide intends to serve not only the historical and scientific study of the Bible, but, even more, the purposes of pious meditation, and especially of pulpit exposition. An extract from the commentary on the Acts appeared in 1737 at Tyrnau, under the title: "Effigies Sancti Pauli, sive idea vitæ apostolicæ". A large work in 4 vols., "Les trésors de Cornelius a Lapide: extraits de ses commentaires de l'écriture sainte à l'usage des prédicateurs, des communautés et des familles chrétiennes", by the Abbé Barbier, was published at Le Mans and Paris, 1856, re-edited at Paris, 1859, 1872, 1876, 1885, 1896; and an Italian translation of the same by F. M. Faber, appeared at Parma, 1869-70, in 10 vols., 16 mo.

    These numerous editions show how highly these works are estimated by Catholics. But Protestant voices have joined in the appreciation. G. H. Goetzius (Leipzig, 1699) wrote an academical dissertation, "Exercitatio theologica de Cornelii a Lapide Commentariis in Sacram Scripturam", in which he praises the Jesuit author as the most important of Catholic Scriptural writers. An English translation of the complete commentaries was undertaken by the Rev. Thomas W. Moseman, an Anglican clergyman, under the title, "The great Commentary of Cornelius a Lapide" (London, 1876—). A manuscript in the Vatican Library contains an Arabic translation of the Commentary on the Apocalypse, by Yusuf ibn Girgis (beginning of the eighteenth century). The same Maronite writer is said to have translated the Commentary on the Epistles of St. Paul.


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         TERWECOREN, Cornelius a Lapide in Collection de précis historiques (Brussels, 1857), 610-14, 636-45; DE BACKER AND SOMMERVOGEL, Bibl. de la c. de J. (Brussels and Paris, 1893), IV, 1511-26; IX (1900), 573.

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    APA citation. Van Kasteren, J.P. (1908). Cornelius Cornelii a Lapide. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved January 26, 2014 from New Advent: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04377a.htm

    MLA citation. Van Kasteren, John Peter. "Cornelius Cornelii a Lapide." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 4. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1908. 26 Jan. 2014 <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04377a.htm>.

    Transcription. This article was transcribed for New Advent by WGKofron. In memory of Fr. John Hilkert, Akron, Ohio. Fidelis servus et prudens, quem constituit Dominus super familiam suam.

    Ecclesiastical approbation. Nihil Obstat. Remy Lafort, Censor. Imprimatur. +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.


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    St. John Ch3vs.5 Cornelius a Lapide
    « Reply #5 on: January 26, 2014, 11:51:17 PM »
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    Fr. Lapide (1567-1637) wrote exegesis on all the books of the Bible with the exception of the Book of Job and Psalms. His work was respected throughout all of Christendom for centuries and the saints often make reference to his "Great Commentaries". Please see his biography in the Catholic Encyclopedia. His authority to write exegesis on the Scriptures holds precedence over any lay person making commentary on this forum.

     In his commentary on the Gospel of St. John, Chapter 3 vs. 5 he does make these notes that pertain to understanding Our Lord's words to Nicodemus through the understanding of The Council of Trent:


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    5. All the Fathers and orthodox interpreters explain the passage in the same way as the Council of Trent (Sess. 7, Can. 2). Nor are the words in S. Matthew, “He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire,” any contradiction. For there real fire is to be understood, as here true water. For there the day of Pentecost was referred to, when the Holy Ghost came down upon the apostles in the likeness of tongues of fire.

    Very appropriately, moreover, was water ordained by Christ in baptism for this spiritual regeneration. 1. Because water excellently represents inward regeneration. For out of water at the beginning of the world were the whole heavens and all other things born and produced. 2. Because moisture, such as is in water, is a chief agent in the production of offspring, as physicists teach. Again, because justification is a cleansing of the soul from the filth of sin it is well figured by water. As S. Chrysostom says upon this passage, “Like as it were in a tomb our heads are submerged beneath the water: our old man being buried is hidden beneath the water, and then the new man ariseth in its stead.” Lastly, the commonness and abundance of water makes it to be convenient matter for the necessity of this sacrament. For it is everywhere easily procurable.

    You may ask why Christ says, except a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, and did not rather say, of water and the form of baptism? For water is the matter of baptism, but the form is, I baptize thee in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. For the sacrament of baptism consists of its matter and form, as its essential parts. I reply, because Christ wished to describe to Nicodemus, a prejudiced old man, the new teaching of spiritual life and generation, by means of the analogy and similitude of natural generation, in which a father and mother concur. So in like manner to spiritual regeneration, which takes place in baptism, water as it were the mother concurs, and the Holy Ghost as the Father. For He is the chief agent and producer of grace and holiness, by which the children of God are born again in baptism.

    From this passage S. Augustine (lib. 1, de peccat. c. 10) proves, against Pelagius, that infants are born in original sin. For that is the reason why they must be born again in baptism, that they may be cleansed from that sin. And he exposes the folly of the Pelagians, who, in order to elude the force of this passage, said that infants dying without baptism would enter into the kingdom of heaven and eternal life, but not into the kingdom of God; as if the kingdom of God were something different from the kingdom of heaven.

    Lastly, born of water ought here to be understood either in actual fact, or by desire. For he who repents of his sins, and desires to be baptized, but either from want of water, or lack of a minister, is not able to receive it, is born again through (ex) the desire and wish for baptism. [So the Council of Trent fully explains this passage (Sess. 7, Can. 4).*


    SOURCE:
    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/scripture/newtestament/3john.htm





    Council of Trent session VII Canon 2

    CANON II.-If any one saith, that these said sacraments of the New Law do not differ from the sacraments of the Old Law, save that the ceremonies are different, and different the outward rites; let him be anathema.



    Council of Trent session VII Canon 4
    CANON IV.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema.

    *For those of you who read Latin : (see top of page):

    https://archive.org/stream/commentariiinsac08lapi#page/912/mode/2up


    Memento,

    Thank you for posting this.  It is a beautiful commentary on John 3:5.  I also appreciate you posting it because Lapide is also explaining that John 3:5 is understood by the Church to mean Sacramental Baptism or the desire for it.

    Lapide, like St. Alphonsus and so many others also recognizes the fact that Trent taught Baptism of Desire, as he notes at the end of the passage, by citing Trent as the source of his assertion.  
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #6 on: January 27, 2014, 07:52:25 AM »
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  • I remember back when I used to be surprised when Catholic teaching from a pre-V2 orthodox source got thumbed down.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #7 on: January 27, 2014, 07:58:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: Lover of Truth
    I remember back when I used to be surprised when Catholic teaching from a pre-V2 orthodox source got thumbed down.  


    Do you remember when you thought those NOers like yourself " probably should take a vow of silence and do penance for the rest of their lives refraining from all speaking and writing apart from that which is necessary, say in Confession for instance"?

    What made you change your mind?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #8 on: January 27, 2014, 08:17:53 AM »
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  • I remember back when I used to be surprised when Catholic teaching from a pre-V2 orthodox source got thumbed down.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #9 on: January 27, 2014, 08:19:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: Lover of Truth
    I remember back when I used to be surprised when Catholic teaching from a pre-V2 orthodox source got thumbed down.  


    Do you remember when you thought those NOers like yourself " probably should take a vow of silence and do penance for the rest of their lives refraining from all speaking and writing apart from that which is necessary, say in Confession for instance"?

    What made you change your mind?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #10 on: January 27, 2014, 08:25:48 AM »
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  • I remember back when I used to be surprised when Catholic teaching from a pre-V2 orthodox source got thumbed down.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #11 on: January 27, 2014, 08:27:13 AM »
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  • Yes, we already know that but the real question is - - do you remember when you thought those NOers like yourself " probably should take a vow of silence and do penance for the rest of their lives refraining from all speaking and writing apart from that which is necessary, say in Confession for instance"?

    What made you change your mind?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #12 on: January 27, 2014, 08:42:14 AM »
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  • I remember back when I used to be surprised when Catholic teaching from a pre-V2 orthodox source got thumbed down.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church