Author Topic: St. John Boscos prediction of Vatican II (Read 6273 times)

2Vermont · « **Reply #30 on:** December 09, 2014, 04:29:00 PM »

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Rather than waste time in feigned objectivity; for your efforts are all about combating anyone who will challenge your heresy, which is so vainly precious to you.......

you would be better off repenting and concentrating on keeping God's commandments and then He will bring you back into the Church....

You are unbelievably rude, Andysloan.

The red hide button is your friend. Trust me.

Cantarella · « **Reply #31 on:** December 09, 2014, 04:56:56 PM »

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Dear ThomisticPhilosopher,

You can have the certainty that I no longer read your litanies. Once you learn to summarize your point, in one or two sentences, perhaps one well-written paragraph using correct punctuation, then I may give you another opportunity.

In the meantime, your chance to be taken seriously is over.

God bless

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #32 on:** December 10, 2014, 04:01:22 PM »

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Rather than waste time in feigned objectivity; for your efforts are all about combating anyone who will challenge your heresy, which is so vainly precious to you.......

you would be better off repenting and concentrating on keeping God's commandments and then He will bring you back into the Church....

You are unbelievably rude, Andysloan.

The red hide button is your friend. Trust me.

Yes, I've already put andysloan on 'hide'.

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #33 on:** December 10, 2014, 04:02:51 PM »

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I did not "attack" sedevacantists, Awkward Customer, although I did critique sedevacantism. St. John Bosco foresaw Vatican II precisely, and therefore this prophesy has merit. Even if you disagree, it at least proves from the words of a Saint that there is no contradiction in an Ecuмenical Council causing chaos within the Church. As for your critique of my post above, you say that because a restoration hasn't happened yet, this prophesy is inaccurate. But is that really what the words of the prophesy says? I agree it is not clear whether the "this" is referring to some action of the Pope to promote devotion to Our Lady and the Eucharist, or to the return of tranquility itself, but I would argue it is the former, and I agree that circuмstances prove that tranquility hasn't returned yet. Finally, the other parts of the vision describe a destruction of Rome in future (in agreement with other prophecies) and the existence of Popes at the time.

You used the prophecy to claim that there would be a Pope in 1999, in order to prove Sedevacantism wrong. Then you asked the following -
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How do sedevacantists square this prophecy with their evident misdiagnosis of the situation during and after Vatican II? The truth is that sedevacantism completely prevents real Church restoration. The real solution is not in clinging to sedevacantist private opinions......

This would have been a reasonable question if you had not left out the critical sentence.
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This will come about one year before the end of the century.....

By skewing the prophecy in this way you turned a reasonable question into an attack, IMO.

I took it the same way, but I believe Nishant to be a good soul. I rarely see him "attack" sedes unlike other notorious anti-sede posters.

You're right.

AJNC · « **Reply #34 on:** December 13, 2014, 12:33:25 AM »

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In a well known prophecy, St. John Bosco predicted the Second Vatican Council and its disastrous impact on the Church. The full text of the same can be read here. The relevant portion is "There will be an Ecuмenical Council in the next century, after which there will be chaos in the Church. Tranquillity will not return until the Pope succeeds in anchoring the boat of Peter between the twin pillars of Eucharistic Devotion and Devotion to Our Lady." St. John Bosco also predicts there will be a Pope in the year 1999 ("one year before the end of the century") and also speaks in detail of the election of two Popes during this time.

How do sedevacantists square this prophecy with their evident misdiagnosis of the situation during and after Vatican II? The truth is that sedevacantism completely prevents real Church restoration. The real solution is not in clinging to sedevacantist private opinions, but according to the Saint, (who by the way made this prophesy in 1862, precisely 100 years before the disastrous Council was convoked,) consists rather in the promotion of devotion to Our Lady, and to the Holy Eucharist throughout the Church especially by the Pope, and by the faithful subject to and remaining in communion with him.

In the mid nineteen nineties I was introduced ( as a "Lefebvrist" ) by an acquaintance to a leading theologian of the archdiocese I live in. A kindly man, and a personal friend of JPII, he said to me: I'm usually free in the afternoon. If you have a few hours to spare, I will show you from Church docuмents and teaching, that the SSPX is not a part of the Catholic Church.

But I never went to see him, being a rabid SSPXer at that time.. Around that same period of time, a couple of SSPX priests were coming to our town to conduct a "mission". I used to go to a local priest for confession and this is what he told, to my utter surprise, a relative of a neighbour of mine who asked whether she could attend this mission: Those are not Catholic priests and that is no mission.

I wonder if these past several years of Bp Fellay talking to Rome seem to have given some people the idea that the SSPX has some sort of "approaching full communion" with Rome?. To rank and file Novus Ordoites, there is nothing of the sort. The present Bishop of Albano will confirm this.( He is a true bishop, yes?)

Why this post? Because these direct or oblique attacks against sedes (by SSPXers) are a real turn off for me. And I have been with the SSPX for about 25 years.