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St. Francis de Sales on Slander
« on: January 28, 2010, 10:12:03 PM »
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  • St. Francis de Sales on Slander


    from Introduction to the Devout Life



    FROM rash judgments proceed mistrust, contempt for others, pride, and self-sufficiency, and numberless other pernicious results, among which stands forth prominently the sin of slander, which is a veritable pest of society. Oh, wherefore can I not take a live coal from God's Altar, and touch the lips of men, so that their iniquity may be taken away and their sin purged, even as the Seraphim purged the lips of Isaiah. He who could purge the world of slander would cleanse it from a great part of its sinfulness!

    He who unjustly takes away his neighbour's good name is guilty of sin, and is bound to make reparation, according to the nature of his evil speaking; since no man can enter into Heaven cuмbered with stolen goods, and of all worldly possessions the most precious is a good name. Slander is a kind of murder; for we all have three lives--a spiritual life, which depends upon the Grace of God; a bodily life, depending on the soul; and a civil life, consisting in a good reputation. Sin deprives us of the first, death of the second, and slander of the third. But the slanderer commits three several murders with his idle tongue: he destroys his own soul and that of him who hearkens, as well as causing civil death to the object of his slander; for, as S. Bernard says, the Devil has possession both of the slanderer and of those who listen to him, of the tongue of the one, the ear of the other. And David says of slanderers, "They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips." Aristotle says that, like the forked, two-edged tongue of the serpent, so is that of the slanderer, who at one dart pricks and poisons the ear of those who hear him, and the reputation of him who is slandered.

    My daughter, I entreat you never speak evil of any, either directly or indirectly; beware of ever unjustly imputing sins or faults to your neighbour, of needlessly disclosing his real faults, of exaggerating such as are overt, of attributing wrong motives to good actions, of denying the good that you know to exist in another, of maliciously concealing it, or depreciating it in conversation. In all and each of these ways you grievously offend God, although the worst is false accusation, or denying the truth to your neighbour's damage, since therein you combine his harm with falsehood.

    Those who slander others with an affectation of good will, or with dishonest pretences of friendliness, are the most spiteful and evil of all. They will profess that they love their victim, and that in many ways he is an excellent man, but all the same, truth must be told, and he was very wrong in such a matter; or that such and such a woman is very virtuous generally, but and so on. Do you not see through the artifice? He who draws a bow draws the arrow as close as he can to himself, but it is only to let it fly more forcibly; and so such slanderers appear to be withholding their evil-speaking, but it is only to let it fly with surer aim and go deeper into the listeners' minds. Witty slander is the most mischievous of all; for just as some poisons are but feeble when taken alone, which become powerful when mixed with wine, so many a slander, which would go in at one ear and out at the other of itself, finds a resting-place in the listener's brain when it is accompanied with amusing, witty comments. "The poison of asps is under their lips." The asp's bite is scarcely perceptible, and its poison at first only causes an irritation which is scarcely disagreeable, so that the heart and nervous system dilate and receive that poison, against which later on there is no remedy.

    Do not pronounce a man to be a drunkard although you may have seen him drunk, or an adulterer, because you know he has sinned; a single act does not stamp him for ever. The sun once stood still while Joshua and the children of Israel avenged themselves upon their enemies; and another time it was darkened at mid-day when the Lord was crucified; but no one would therefore say that it was stationary or dark. Noah was drunk once, and Lot, moreover, was guilty of incest, yet neither man could be spoken of as habitually given to such sins; neither would you call S. Paul a man of blood or a blasphemer, because he had blasphemed and shed blood before he became a Christian. Before a man deserves to be thus stigmatised, he must have formed a habit of the sin he is accused of, and it is unfair to call a man passionate or a thief, because you have once known him steal or fly into a passion. Even when a man may have persisted long in sin, you may say what is untrue in calling him vicious. Simon the leper called Magdalene a sinner, because she had once lived a life of sin; but he lied, for she was a sinner no longer, but rather a very saintly penitent, and so our Lord Himself undertook her defence.

    The Pharisee looked upon the publican as a great sinner,--probably as unjust, extortionate, adulterous; but how mistaken he was, inasmuch as the condemned publican was even then justified! If God's Mercy is so great, that one single moment is sufficient for it to justify and save a man, what assurance have we that he who yesterday was a sinner is the same to-day? Yesterday may not be the judge of today, nor to-day of yesterday: all will be really judged at the Last Great Day. In short, we can never affirm a man to be evil without running the risk of lying. If it be absolutely necessary to speak, we may say that he was guilty of such an act, that he led an evil life at such and such a time, or that he is doing certain wrong at the present day; but we have no right to draw deductions for to-day from yesterday, nor of yesterday from today; still less to speak with respect to the future.

    But while extremely sensitive as to the slightest approach to slander, you must also guard against an extreme into which some people fall, who, in their desire to speak evil of no one, actually uphold and speak well of vice. If you have to do with one who is unquestionably a slanderer, do not excuse him under the expressions of frank and free-spoken; do not call one who is notoriously vain, liberal and elegant; do not call dangerous levities mere simplicity; do not screen disobedience under the name of zeal, or arrogance of frankness, or evil intimacy of friendship. No, my child, we must never, in our wish to shun slander, foster or flatter vice in others; but we must call evil evil, and sin sin, and so doing we shall serve God's Glory, always bearing in mind the following rules.

    If you would be justified in condemning a neighbour's sin, you must be sure that it is needful either for his good or that of others to do so. For instance, if light, unseemly conduct is spoken of before young people in a way calculated to injure their purity, and you pass it over, or excuse it, they may be led to think lightly of evil, and to imitate it; and therefore you are bound to condemn all such things freely and at once, unless it is obvious that by reserving your charitable work of reprehension to a future time, you can do it more profitably.

    Furthermore, on such occasions it is well to be sure that you are the most proper person among those present to express your opinion, and that your silence would seem in any way to condone the sin. If you are one of the least important persons present, it is probably not your place to censure; but supposing it to be your duty, be most carefully just in what you say,--let there not be a word too much or too little. For instance, you censure the intimacy of certain people, as dangerous and indiscreet. Well, but you must hold the scales with the most exact justice, and not exaggerate in the smallest item. If there be only a slight appearance of evil, say no more than that; if it be a question of some trifling imprudence, do not make it out to be more; if there be really neither imprudence nor positive appearance of evil, but only such as affords a pretext for malicious slander, either say simply so much, or, better still, say nothing at all. When you speak of your neighbour, look upon your tongue as a sharp razor in the surgeon's hand, about to cut nerves and tendons; it should be used so carefully, as to insure that no particle more or less than the truth be said. And finally, when you are called upon to blame sin, always strive as far as possible to spare the sinner.

    Public, notorious sinners may be spoken of freely, provided always even then that a spirit of charity and compassion prevail, and that you do not speak of them with arrogance or presumption, or as though you took pleasure in the fall of others. To do this is the sure sign of a mean ungenerous mind. And, of course, you must speak freely in condemnation of the professed enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics,--it is true charity to point out the wolf wheresoever he creeps in among the flock. Most people permit themselves absolute latitude in criticising and censuring rulers, and in calumniating nationalities, according to their own opinions and likings. But do you avoid this fault; it is displeasing to God, and is liable to lead you into disputes and quarrels. When you hear evil of any one, cast any doubt you fairly can upon the accusation; or if that is impossible, make any available excuse for the culprit; and where even that may not be, be yet pitiful and compassionate, and remind those with whom you are speaking that such as stand upright do so solely through God's Grace. Do your best kindly to check the scandal-bearer, and if you know anything favourable to the person criticised, take pains to mention it.


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    St. Francis de Sales on Slander
    « Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 11:49:24 PM »
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  • Thank you for this.


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    St. Francis de Sales on Slander
    « Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 01:46:50 AM »
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  • CM says

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    Thank you for this.


    Thank you for understanding the spiritual dangers we all face.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 02:16:33 AM »
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  • I pray that I do.

    I believe that this teaching of St. Francis is going to help me moderate my article about Richard Ibranyi.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 12:29:14 PM »
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  • This has been dealt with before.  You could have just bumped the thread wherein such occurred.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 01:36:49 PM »
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    This has been dealt with before. You could have just bumped the thread wherein such occurred.


    Much gets buried in older threads we know. We can bear hearing sacred words---in this case St. Francis---again with profit whether for this or in other contexts. It's better to hear the saints...This way also the moderators (& owner) here protect themselves spiritually by showing objectivity.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 01:59:42 PM »
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  • 008

    so your take, mis-using De Sales, is that we should never criticize anyone? or not publicly?

    Fr. Corapi stated one time on Tv that if the sin is public, confess it and deal with it publicly, if private, private.....Corapi guess did not read your version of Francis de Sales
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    « Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 02:09:19 PM »
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    I pray that I do.

    I believe that this teaching of St. Francis is going to help me moderate my article about Richard Ibranyi.


    If only you could have such decent "moderation" when dealing with good Popes, rather than leaving your dispicable calumnies untouched while you scamper away in disgrace and silence hoping not to draw attention to your crimes.  I almost have a tear in my eye at your feigned repentence.  There was a day when your tongue would have been cut off.  If that were the case today, I wouldn't bat an eye.    


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    « Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 02:16:30 PM »
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  • http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=116922

    in this post, I have to agree in parts, with Keating...
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    « Reply #9 on: January 29, 2010, 11:43:00 PM »
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    I pray that I do.

    I believe that this teaching of St. Francis is going to help me moderate my article about Richard Ibranyi.


    If only you could have such decent "moderation" when dealing with good Popes, rather than leaving your dispicable calumnies untouched while you scamper away in disgrace and silence hoping not to draw attention to your crimes.  I almost have a tear in my eye at your feigned repentence.  There was a day when your tongue would have been cut off.  If that were the case today, I wouldn't bat an eye.    


    Good popes?  Like Benedict XV, Pius XI, Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, (JPI) John Paul II, Benedict XVI?  Antipopes.

    We can renew whatever debate you like on the matter.  Start a thread.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 12:02:29 AM »
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    If only you could have such decent "moderation" when dealing with good Popes, rather than leaving your dispicable calumnies untouched while you scamper away in disgrace and silence hoping not to draw attention to your crimes.  I almost have a tear in my eye at your feigned repentence.  There was a day when your tongue would have been cut off.  If that were the case today, I wouldn't bat an eye.  


    The devil can't stand it when even one person escapes from his web of lies.  

    I am not calling you the devil, Caminus, but if CM is really tarnishing the names of good Popes, he is a mere eccentric who will be quickly punished by God Himself.  Why would you get so upset?  Go back to your harmonious existence where there are millions of good Catholics in union with orthodox Popes, priests and bishops, and all is right with the world.  What exactly are you trying to accomplish here among those who will never agree with you?  

    It never ceases to astound me when so much energy is expended on us poor sedevacantists.  Do you consider it an act of charity when you tell us we must read the VII docuмents in the light of tradition and that Muslims worship the one true God?  Then I must reject your intended act of charity saying "Thanks but no thanks."  This rejection, hopefully, is free of the bitter scorn that seems to characterize your supposed works of mercy and conversion.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 12:08:23 AM »
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  • Interesting response.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 09:26:17 AM »
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    If only you could have such decent "moderation" when dealing with good Popes, rather than leaving your dispicable calumnies untouched while you scamper away in disgrace and silence hoping not to draw attention to your crimes.  I almost have a tear in my eye at your feigned repentence...


    Caminus, this sad place has become a mad house. It's gone off the deep end. It shows the end of a certain kind of theological thinking.


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    « Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 12:36:07 PM »
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    It's better to hear the saints...This way also the moderators (& owner) here protect themselves spiritually by showing objectivity.


    No one is saying, or has said, that hearing the Saints is not profitable.

    Do you, perchance, subscribe to the idea that Jesus was naught but a zipper-headed doormat?  Do you grasp that He, despite being a non-entity within official circles, was often fierce beyond our comprehension, tearing into Pharisees IN PUBLIC sans Polaroids?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 01:47:28 PM »
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  • This very important teaching of St. Francis de Sales should be printed framed, and kept on the wall of every Catholic home.  
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic