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  • Don't know if its true or not (correct me if I'm wrong), but the last word I've heard is that Wiest has been asked to leave by the OLHC board and he refuses to do so.  I understands he continues to stay at a place that is funded by OLHC faithful (Our money!). At this point, he is basically a shamed fraud/con man who is hunkered down in a place like a criminal on the run!

    A triumphant victory for our dear Father Starbuck who was a victim and was abused by Wiest with the evil blessings of "the board" at OLHC.  A fraud has been perpetrated and Wiest and "the board" (particularly the individual who banged on the door terrorizing Father while he was in the confessional that Sunday morning should be penalized for their actions!).  There should be just consequences paid by Wiest, the Board and this despicable individual!  Wiest should not be given the chance of simply fleeing!  I believe the fraud he committed was is in some way a criminal act! Does anyone here have any further information or development about Wiest?
    If you have legitimate proof he is not a Priest, then there's an easy enough solution to any unwanted "guest." Take multiple photographs of the individual, his car, belongings, etc., and docuмent everything for future reference. Always have video surveillance with correct dates and times, and CLEAR images of things.

    Recruit your local Sheriff for help and ask the person simply to leave, and if he refuses, then give him 24 hours to basically get out, and get lost, or you will be calling additional authorities (which should have been done already). Exactly 24 hours and one minute later, dump his stuff on the curb if he is not gone on his own accord. 

    Change the locks at first opportunity. Cut your losses if you just want to be rid of him, or get a lawyer if there are grounds to sue.

    If he is not a Priest, then I would treat this man just like I would tell any wife that happened to catch her husband cheating on her--toss his crap to the curb and change the locks. Buh-bye! Divorce lawyer would be next...(Yes, if a trad Catholic man cheated on his wife, he can still pay the bills and support her and any children, but he lost his place of living with her). She would still be married, but she wouldn't have to put up with the louse any longer.

    If there isn't any written lease for housing arrangements, then you basically have a squatter on your hands by the sounds of it. The longer he is allowed to stay, the worse it will be...

    Go to the media if you want them to investigate things. NBC has a TV program called "Dateline." Look it up. It's great and has been going for years. They will possibly investigate things for you and put more heat on the person IF he is indeed a fraud or not.

    Otherwise? Whoever has the keys, has the castle. Keep that in mind. He could just as easily change the locks on the actual homeowners! 

    Btw, did anyone ever contact the SSPX Headquarters in KC like I suggested earlier? (Because if he isn't really a Priest, he was using the same altar that the SSPX Priest was--Father Alphonsus). Anyway...

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  • I found this place which has lots of items and most (if not all) are pre-vatican II

    I got a quote a few weeks back and this font was $950 but needs to be refinished:
    http://www.usedchurchitems.com/images/albums/Baptismals/rc_thumbs/thumb_Catholic-Church-Baptismal-8.jpg

    This other font is $1400
    http://www.usedchurchitems.com/images/albums/Baptismals/rc_thumbs/thumb_Catholic-Church-Vintage-7.jpg
    Oh the second one is amazing! Wow! That looks like it has some Italian design elements. Gorgeous and unique! The first one looks more modern and has less character somehow.

    I hope they find one that will be suitable and loved, whatever it turns out to be. Nice work, Sol! :-)


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  •                     Sorry - for this reposting. This site caused a glitch and posted (??)
                          this before I had a chance to proof it!??  I'll do better next time...             
                      St. Dominic's Catholic Chapel Bulletin
                          Father Cederik Starbuck
                       
                          New Hotline Number for Mass Schedule (714) 515-6735

    Attendance at St. Dominic's  three Latin Masses said by Father Starbuck last Sunday, February 27th was wonderful.  There were approximately 45 souls at the 7:30 a.m. Mass, approximately 70 souls at the 9:30 a.m. Mass and approximately 40 souls at the 12:00 p.m. Mass.

    Father Starbuck gave a wonderful sermon on charity.  Love of oneself and Love of one's neighbor.  How can we say that we love God when we refuse to do our best to love one's neighbor!  Very difficult in today's world.

    RE: Baptismal Font

    As I have previously noted here, Father Starbuck needs a used traditional baptismal font for St. Dominics and we want to surprise Farther when we find one.

    As it turns out the baptismal font I found on Ebay did not work out!  I didn't see that there was embedded etchings/wording of some kind indicating that it had belonged to a Lutheran Church!  So, that would not be appropriate for St. Dominic's Chapel.

    As Father is struggling to keep up with the growing demands of this new chapel all by himself, please generously help Father and St. Dominic's Chapel financially in our Sunday collection as well as our quest of purchasing and finding a beautiful traditional baptismal font for Father! I will post a photo of a possible baptismal font when its being considered for purchasing beforehand.

    Checks can be made out to:

    Father Cedrick Starbuck      (NOT St. Dominic's Chapel)
    P.O.B. 427
    Tustin, CA 92781
    (714) 673-5552

    God bless you all

    How curious of you to post on both threads for a while, then solely on the other thread, but when I pointed out the following, you switched back to this thread:

    "How can you say Fr. Starbuck had no fault in sister's death when, by your own mouth, you "know nothing of the specifics and conditions of sister's death"? 

    "I am not suggesting that Fr. Starbuck had any fault in her death.  No one has.

    "But the facts remain:
    - a nun at OLHC went days and nights without food, water or housing, in full knowledge of Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Perez, and the laity.
    - sister was not allowed to live in a three bedroom house with one other nun who was supported by OLHC.
    - Fr. Starbuck told sister the police would be called to arrest her if she entered OLHC property.

    "I do not deny that Fr. Starbuck is a good and holy priest, but the facts of his actions remain."


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  • Hey!  So what's your point here epiphany?


    Bottom line is Fr. Starbuck acted in accordance with Fr. Perez's directive and orders!    Obviously, you don't fully know what Fr. Perez and Fr. Starbuck's reasonings and conclusions were and why they came to the decisions they came to??  You are insidiously implying and hinting that that IN SOME WAY a wrong was committed by Fr. Starbuck.  You obviously don't know Fr. Starbuck for if you did you would give him the benefit of doubt because of his good will to others, his holy closeness to God, i.e., his character, warmth, gentleness, generosity and loving concern for others. This was a complicated problem dealing with a soul with mental issues!

    I remember I did at times help sister but it always ended up with her creating some sort of disturbance.  It became impossible to deal with her mental illness any further. (May God rest her poor dear tortured soul - poor thing).

    There was  numerous times over the years when she disturbingly imposed herself on many of the faithful.  You are "virtue signalling" here and making yourself appear as some sort of superior pontifical judge of high moral character pointing out what YOU perceive as what is right or wrong behavior according to your supercilious judgements of others.  What's your point?

    In the end, we (I) are/am all poor sinners, pal.  Try practicing some humility here with the prayer "Oh God, be merciful to me ... a sinner."

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  • Hey!  So what's your point here epiphany?


    Bottom line is Fr. Starbuck acted in accordance with Fr. Perez's directive and orders!    Obviously, you don't fully know what Fr. Perez and Fr. Starbuck's reasonings and conclusions were and why they came to the decisions they came to??  You are insidiously implying and hinting that that IN SOME WAY a wrong was committed by Fr. Starbuck.  You obviously don't know Fr. Starbuck for if you did you would give him the benefit of doubt because of his good will to others, his holy closeness to God, i.e., his character, warmth, gentleness, generosity and loving concern for others. This was a complicated problem dealing with a soul with mental issues!

    I remember I did at times help sister but it always ended up with her creating some sort of disturbance.  It became impossible to deal with her mental illness any further. (May God rest her poor dear tortured soul - poor thing).

    There was  numerous times over the years when she disturbingly imposed herself on many of the faithful.  You are "virtue signalling" here and making yourself appear as some sort of superior pontifical judge of high moral character pointing out what YOU perceive as what is right or wrong behavior according to your supercilious judgements of others.  What's your point?

    In the end, we (I) are/am all poor sinners, pal.  Try practicing some humility here with the prayer "Oh God, be merciful to me ... a sinner."
    You present Fr. Starbuck as a saint.  My point is to show that he isn't.  Neither was Fr. Perez.  And the chapel as a whole should hang their heads in shame for not helping a poor nun, whether you thought she was a nun or not.  She was poor and destitute soul who needed food, water, and shelter, and you all turned your backs on her.  Worse yet, Fr. Starbuck told her if she set foot on the property the police would be called.


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  • Epiphany, if anyone should be handing your head in shame it is you my dear. 

    Why do you persist in your calumny against a good and faithful priest? You have previously said you were a member of OLHC. If that is true:
    1. You would know the truth of the situation, which you obviously do not.
    2. You would have had an opportunity to help Debbie yourself.
    3. Why did you not do so?

    The facts:
    Debbie was a layperson who did not attempt to become a nun until she was in her 60s. She told me that she had a "high-power career in New York" and "shopped only at the best department stores" and "bought only designer suits." She also had two grown sons at the time she arrived at OLHC. Why did her own family not assist her? Why did Debbie’s family reject the offer of a funeral Mass for her when it was offered to her at no cost?

    Debbie  was never a member of a religious order, although she fantasized about becoming one. Over the years she would take different religious names. During the time I knew her, she told me she had found an order in France who would take a laywoman in her 60s with health issues. Six or so months later she returned (with a different sister name) and told me it did not work out. Years later she told me she had found an order in Ecuador who would take a laywoman in her 60s with even more severe health issues. She told me to write to her in invisible ink because the police were watching her. At that time I realized that she had both physical and mental health issues. Several months later she returned (with a different sister name) and again said "it didn't work out."

    At a time in my life when I was seriously ill and barely able to care for myself, she wanted to move in with me and my husband who was my overburdened caregiver. I realized how out of touch with reality she was. When she persisted, I realized what an entitled perspective she had.

    Over a period of time, numerous members of the chapel took her in and again and again "it did not work out." Out of Christian charity and not wanting to gossip, no one said what the problems with her were. However over the years it became known that she had severe emotional and mental problems, she was demanding, she expected to be waited on, and she caused explosive scenes in each home she was in.

    At the time Debbie passed away she attended Mass at San Juan Capistrano Mission. Why are you not attacking them? Why do you persist in lying about Father Starbuck?

    Father Starbuck is a charitable, humble priest with the heart of a servant. When Father Perez received complaint after complaint regarding Debbie begging before and after all Sunday Masses, he told her to stop begging. She refused to stop. She continued to beg and the  complaints about her begging continued, along with complaints about her stealing items from the chapel bookstore.

    Father Perez he did what he always did (just as he did when the school board refused to vet Mr. Wiest and instructed Father Starbuck to take up the problem with the school board). He passed the problem onto dear Father Starbuck. Father Perez instructed Father Starbuck to tell Debbie to leave the chapel.

    Your lie about Father Starbuck telling her she’d be arrested if she came on OLHC property is a new embellishment in your carefully crafted collage of lies. It’s obvious where you got that misrepresentation. In fact it was the SCHOOL board who wanted to grasp control of the chapel who circulated lies and calumny against Father Starbuck because he was in their way. They are the ones who told dear Father Starbuck two days before Christmas that he would not be saying any of the Christmas Masses, that he was locked out of his office, and that if he set foot on THEIR property, he would be arrested.

    He offered to say her funeral Mass with no donation as he has previously done for those without funds. Her family was not interested in his kind offer.

    Epiphany, for the sake of your own soul, stop the calumny against a good and faithful priest.
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  • Epiphany, if anyone should be handing your head in shame it is you my dear. 

    Why do you persist in your calumny against a good and faithful priest? You have previously said you were a member of OLHC. If that is true:
    1. You would know the truth of the situation, which you obviously do not.
    2. You would have had an opportunity to help Debbie yourself.
    3. Why did you not do so?

    The facts:
    Debbie was a layperson who did not attempt to become a nun until she was in her 60s. She told me that she had a "high-power career in New York" and "shopped only at the best department stores" and "bought only designer suits." She also had two grown sons at the time she arrived at OLHC. Why did her own family not assist her? Why did Debbie’s family reject the offer of a funeral Mass for her when it was offered to her at no cost?

    Debbie  was never a member of a religious order, although she fantasized about becoming one. Over the years she would take different religious names. During the time I knew her, she told me she had found an order in France who would take a laywoman in her 60s with health issues. Six or so months later she returned (with a different sister name) and told me it did not work out. Years later she told me she had found an order in Ecuador who would take a laywoman in her 60s with even more severe health issues. She told me to write to her in invisible ink because the police were watching her. At that time I realized that she had both physical and mental health issues. Several months later she returned (with a different sister name) and again said "it didn't work out."

    At a time in my life when I was seriously ill and barely able to care for myself, she wanted to move in with me and my husband who was my overburdened caregiver. I realized how out of touch with reality she was. When she persisted, I realized what an entitled perspective she had.

    Over a period of time, numerous members of the chapel took her in and again and again "it did not work out." Out of Christian charity and not wanting to gossip, no one said what the problems with her were. However over the years it became known that she had severe emotional and mental problems, she was demanding, she expected to be waited on, and she caused explosive scenes in each home she was in.

    At the time Debbie passed away she attended Mass at San Juan Capistrano Mission. Why are you not attacking them? Why do you persist in lying about Father Starbuck?

    Father Starbuck is a charitable, humble priest with the heart of a servant. When Father Perez received complaint after complaint regarding Debbie begging before and after all Sunday Masses, he told her to stop begging. She refused to stop. She continued to beg and the  complaints about her begging continued, along with complaints about her stealing items from the chapel bookstore.

    Father Perez he did what he always did (just as he did when the school board refused to vet Mr. Wiest and instructed Father Starbuck to take up the problem with the school board). He passed the problem onto dear Father Starbuck. Father Perez instructed Father Starbuck to tell Debbie to leave the chapel.

    Your lie about Father Starbuck telling her she’d be arrested if she came on OLHC property is a new embellishment in your carefully crafted collage of lies. It’s obvious where you got that misrepresentation. In fact it was the SCHOOL board who wanted to grasp control of the chapel who circulated lies and calumny against Father Starbuck because he was in their way. They are the ones who told dear Father Starbuck two days before Christmas that he would not be saying any of the Christmas Masses, that he was locked out of his office, and that if he set foot on THEIR property, he would be arrested.

    He offered to say her funeral Mass with no donation as he has previously done for those without funds. Her family was not interested in his kind offer.

    Epiphany, for the sake of your own soul, stop the calumny against a good and faithful priest.
    Wrong.

    I was replying to SupportFrStarbuck.

    Fr. Sretenovic witnessed sister's final vows.  She died a nun.  Full stop.

    I never said fr. Starbuck told sister she would be arrested if she came on OLHC property.  Fr. Starbuck has no authority to have sister arrested.  That would be up to the policeman who arrived.

    Fr. Starbuck told sister if she set foot on chapel property that the police would be called.

    You and Meg have a lot in common when it comes to embellishing, making assumptions, extrapolating, and putting words into my mouth.

    And now you call me a liar...

    My family and I were members of OHLC since long before Fr. Starbuck arrived, and even long before Fr. Perez arrived.  And I said I helped sister, probably more than I financially should have.

    Go bake a cake, Cera.

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  • Go bake a cake, Cera.
    I would, but I'm giving up sweets for Lent.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary


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  • Valet your high horse, Epiphany!
    You're ticking me off!!

    You need to go to confession for calumny and detraction against a holy priest!  God will not be mocked.  Obviously, no words can convince you to back off your proud, irreverent disposition and manner towards a priest.  You should hang your head in shame, pal.  IMO, I don't sense a Catholic presence of Christ in your judgemental disposition, lack of charity, compassion - and Pharisee-like demeanor..  .  "Oh, God I'm glad I'm not like this publican." You're not worth another word of intelligent Catholic discourse.  End of Story!


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  • Pope to "Consecrate Russia" to Immaculate Heart of Mary (Here We Go Again)
    Written by  Michael J. Matt | Editor





    Pope to "Consecrate Russia" to Immaculate Heart of Mary (Here We Go Again)



    Thanks to Vatican journalist Diane Montagna for once again jumping on an important story. This afternoon she tweeted: "On March 25, Pope Francis will consecrate Russia & Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, during a 5pm penance service in St Peter’s Basilica. The same act, on the same day, will be carried out in Fatima by His Eminence Cardinal Krajewski, as envoy of the Holy Father."


    But, here's the thing: Pope Pius XII consecrated RUSSIA to the Immaculate Heart of Mary way back in 1952. He did not do so, however, in union with the world's bishops as requested by Our Lady of Fatima, which is why Sr. Lucia later made it clear that Our Lady's request to consecrate Russia had not yet been met.
    Now, Francis says he'll do something even more strange: Consecrate Russia AND UKRAINE, but also not in union with the bishops of the world.
    Nice but, once again, not what Our Lady specifically requested. Why not?
    No matter where you come down on the Crisis in Ukraine, can you think of a more perfect opportunity than this for the Pope, united with all his bishops, to finally and at long last consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
    It would be so easy to finally do it right. . . to just do what she asked. Why now? Well, perhaps a better question is: Why not now?
    • The eyes (and the wrath) of the world are focused on Russia.
    • The consecration would not upset any of the Vatican's precious "dialogue partners".
    • The hapless bishops would go along with it this time, since their partners in media and government would be all for it. After all, Russia, Russia, RUSSIA!
    It's win/win for everybody! So why not just do it right? It's almost as if the Vatican will do anything other than obey the Mother of God's very specific requests.
    Words matter. This is not about geography and where Ukraine is located on a map in relation to Russia. It's about the very specific words of a Consecration formula, given by Our Lady herself.
    So, for example, if I were to intentionally change the form of Baptism by adding nice words like "Amen" and "Halleluiah" to the form, I would invalidate the Sacrament. Why? Because the formula matters, and it does NOT include "Amen" or "Halleluiah".
    Our Lady did not ask for Ukraine to be consecrated. She specified Russia for a very specific reason, evidently because Russia was "spreading her errors" (atheism) throughout the world.
    A Consecration has a formula. It's not merely a prayer for peace. Our Lady wanted Russia consecrated to her Immaculate heart for a very specific reason – part of which was to stop atrocities such as Joseph Stalin’s extermination of 3 million Ukrainians in the 1930s.
    Then again, there are two parts to this, obviously, the second of which is the daily Rosary and the First Saturday devotions. How many Russian Orthodox have been doing that do you suppose? For that matter, how many Latin Rite Catholics have done the five first Saturdays devotion of reparation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as Our Lady requested?
    My theory? The Consecration of Russia is not a magic trick which will fix everything for an unfaithful world. All of Our Lady's requests must be met, including those she made of us. Her Consecration of Russia will be done, eventually, when an old pope will come up out of the catacombs amidst the rubble of a bombed out Vatican City in a post-world war future and finally — and at long last — do what she asked.
    And then there will be peace.
    Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.



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  • What's wrong with Epiphany that he can't understand that a priest who isn't a Carmelite can't witness anyone's final vows as a Carmelite?!  Also it takes at least a year or more before FINAL vows are said!!!  Did she take temporary vows or did she skip that part?  Ask any trad priest.  DO YOUR HOMEWORK, Epiphany.  Don't you want to know the truth?  You're making trads look like fools - doing whatever you want to make you look holy & pious.  DEBBIE WASN'T A NUN just because she dressed up like one in her own get-up.  Face FACTS.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14


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  • What's wrong with Epiphany that he can't understand that a priest who isn't a Carmelite can't witness anyone's final vows as a Carmelite?!  Also it takes at least a year or more before FINAL vows are said!!!  Did she take temporary vows or did she skip that part?  Ask any trad priest.  DO YOUR HOMEWORK, Epiphany.  Don't you want to know the truth?  You're making trads look like fools - doing whatever you want to make you look holy & pious.  DEBBIE WASN'T A NUN just because she dressed up like one in her own get-up.  Face FACTS.
    I trust Fr. Sretenovic, and if he says he witnessed her final vows then I believe him.

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  • Valet your high horse, Epiphany!
    You're ticking me off!!

    You need to go to confession for calumny and detraction against a holy priest!  God will not be mocked.  Obviously, no words can convince you to back off your proud, irreverent disposition and manner towards a priest.  You should hang your head in shame, pal.  IMO, I don't sense a Catholic presence of Christ in your judgemental disposition, lack of charity, compassion - and Pharisee-like demeanor..  .  "Oh, God I'm glad I'm not like this publican." You're not worth another word of intelligent Catholic discourse.  End of Story!

    You are neither God nor my spiritual advisor.

    I have always said Fr. Starbuck is a good priest.  But truth is truth.  He made a mistake in threatening a poor, sick, nun with police intervention.

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  • You are neither God nor my spiritual advisor.

    I have always said Fr. Starbuck is a good priest.  But truth is truth.  He made a mistake in threatening a poor, sick, nun with police intervention.
    The facts have been made clear, Epiphany, yet you continue to lie. Repeating your lie and over does not make it true; it only worsens your culpability.

    What is the source of your lie? Your own fevered imagination? Or did you "hear it" through the school board's lying grapevine? Or are you actually a school board member engaging in a calculated campaign of calumny against a good and holy priest who never "threatened" anyone.

    You are an enemy of the truth. Since we are called to pray for our enemies, I will pray for you.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

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  • The facts have been made clear, Epiphany, yet you continue to lie. Repeating your lie and over does not make it true; it only worsens your culpability.

    What is the source of your lie? Your own fevered imagination? Or did you "hear it" through the school board's lying grapevine? Or are you actually a school board member engaging in a calculated campaign of calumny against a good and holy priest who never "threatened" anyone.

    You are an enemy of the truth. Since we are called to pray for our enemies, I will pray for you.
    I do not lie.
    Fr. Perez told me.
    I have told you before and I will not repeat it a third time: I am not on the school board.

    Please learn to read and comprehend, Cera, or go bake a cake.