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Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2022, 10:19:06 AM »
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  •                        St. Dominic's Chapel Sunday Bulletin - January 23, 2022
                                                                  (PAGE 2)


    TO THOSE WHO WISH TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT FATHER STARBUCK HAD BEEN ABANDONED, BETRAYED AND LEFT "HIGH & DRY" WITHOUT FUNDS NEARLY OVERNIGHT  - TWO DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS - BY THOSE IN CHARGE ("THE BOARD" OF OUR LADY HELP OF CHRISTIANS) BY THEM ORDERING HIM (AFTER 15 YEARS OF FAITHFULLY SERVING OLHC BY HIM PERFORMING HIS PRIESTLY DUTIES, I.E., SAYING MASS, HEARING CONFESSIONS, BAPTISMS, ANOINTING OF THE SICK, FUNERALS, ETC. TO NOT COME ON THE PROPERTY OF OLHC AGAIN OR "WE WILL HAVE YOU ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING" BECAUSE OF THE CONTENTS OF A SERMON HE GAVE REGARDING THE VETTING OF "FR." MICHAEL WIEST AT OLHC!  THE COMPLETE SERMON CAN BE READ ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE THREAD " OLHC LAYPERSONS ATTEMPTING TO TAKE OVER CHAPEL CENSOR FR. STARBUCK'S SERMON" OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon

    GENEROUS FUNDS IS URGENTLY NEEDED FOR FATHER IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN HIMSELF GOING FORWARD IN HIS QUEST AND COMMITMENT TO FAITHFULLY SAY THE PRE1962 LATIN MASS AT HIS NEW ST. DOMINIC'S CHAPEL!

    FATHER HAS MANY NEEDS FOR FUNDS WHICH INCLUDE FOOD AND VERY URGENTLY FATHER CANNOT AFFORD AND DOES NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE! THIS PUTS FATHER IN A VERY DIRE EMERGENCY SITUATION IF HE WERE TO (GOD FORBID) GET SICK!

    AS THE AUTHOR OF THIS THREAD (SUPPORTFRSTARBUCK) FATHER HAS NO IDEA THAT I'M MAKING THIS PLEA FOR HIM. IN FACT, FATHER DOESN'T LIKE TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF, SO I'M HOPING FATHER DOES NOT GET DISAPPOINTED IN ME FOR THIS PLEA!

    FATHER WROTE IN THE OTHER THREAD ABOVE:  "Additionally, I do know that the board is considering (interviewing) priests who celebrate Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal. I want to say that it has been our position that this Missal is theologically inadequate (if not modernistic). Fr. Perez vehemently rejected the 1962 Roman Missal. Moreover, it is likely to be problematic to our public celebration of Mass in this church." SO FATHER IS A FAITHFUL RARE PRIEST TO THE PRE1962 MISSAL. SO OUR LORD AND SAVIOR LOVES FATHER DEARLY FOR THIS "PASSION" HE SUFFERED AT THE HANDS OF OLHC CHAPEL THESE LAST FEW MONTHS.  HE GAVE OF HIS BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS.

    I ASK THAT YOU LOOK INTO YOUR HEARTS AND FIND A WAY TO SUPPORT FATHER STARBUCK FINANCIALLY IN WHATEVER WAY GOD PROMPTS YOU BY THE INDWELLING OF THE HOLY GHOST WITHIN YOU.  GOD WILL REWARD YOU FOR HELPING THIS VERY HOLY HUMBLE PRIEST OF CHRIST!  HERE IS FATHER'S POST OFFICE BOX. THANK YOU.

    FATHER CEDRICK STARBUCK
    P.O.B. 427
    TUSTIN, CA 92781



















    I want to say that it has been our position that this Missal is theologically inadequate (if not modernistic). Fr. Perez vehemently rejected the 1962 Roman Missal. Moreover, it is likely to be problematic to our public celebration of Mass


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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #46 on: January 20, 2022, 10:24:24 AM »
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  • ERROR!! SORRY ABOUT THE UNINTENDED VERY LARGE FONT OF PREVIOUS POST.  I DON'T KNOW HOW I DID THAT... SORRY


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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #47 on: January 20, 2022, 11:36:32 AM »
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  • SupportFrStarbuck, to avoid such fonts:


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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #48 on: January 20, 2022, 03:40:12 PM »
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  • Fr Burfitt, as of late, has been at OLHC saying the Mass at OLHC. Fr Alphonsus Maria was there before him.
    "You must train harder than the enemy who is trying to kill you. You will get all the rest you need in the grave."- Leon Degrelle

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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #49 on: January 21, 2022, 07:04:48 AM »
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  • Fr Burfitt, as of late, has been at OLHC saying the Mass at OLHC. Fr Alphonsus Maria was there before him.
    God bless Fr. Burfitt.


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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #50 on: January 22, 2022, 08:08:16 PM »
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  • Looking forward to the "Live Stream" at St. Dominic's Chapel for Father Starbuck!  The world will now know how beautifully and reverently Father Starbuck says The Latin Mass!

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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #51 on: January 22, 2022, 08:54:36 PM »
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  • Was Fr Starbuck ordained in the old rite? By a bishop who himself was consecrated in the old rite?
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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #52 on: January 24, 2022, 10:58:57 AM »
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  • St. Dominic's Chapel was packed for all three Masses yesterday, with overflow sitting in Father Starbuck's living room. Deo Gratisas
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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #53 on: January 24, 2022, 04:21:23 PM »
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  • Thank you, Cera.  God love you for all your good work supporting Fr. Starbuck...


    Thank you everyone for your prayers to Our Blessed Mother and the rosaries for Fr. Starbuck.  I believe God is responding to your prayers.

     As a quote from the touching beautiful movie "Field of Dreams" "If You Build It They Will Come." We are now seeing God's Hand over Father Starbuck and his ever-growing success in offering of the Holiest Pre1962 Latin Mass! There was full capacity worshipers at both Masses Sunday totally approximately 130 souls!!  Everyone was so gracious and loving to Father.


    And now we look forward next week to the beginning of  the "Live Feed" at Mass.  More souls will now get to know Father as they watch his beautiful holy reverent manner he says The Latin Mass. Remember to please come early for confessions before each Mass.

    Mass schedule for January 28th to 30th

    January 28th - Friday 8:30 a.m.
    January 29th - Saturday 8:30 a.m.
    January 30th - Sunday 7:30 a.m. & 9:30 a.m.
    Confessions before each Mass

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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #54 on: January 25, 2022, 05:20:28 AM »
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  • Following is the important history and events that has lead to the establishment of TLM now at St. Dominic's Chapel.  Father Starbuck had been and was the faithful priest/associate who worked side by side for 15 years with Father Perez (pastor of Our Lady Help of Christians) providing all the sacraments, i.e., the Mass, confessions, Baptisms, funerals, etc. 

    Herein is the reason Father Starbuck was not present for any of the 2021 Christmas Masses at OLHC. This is the actual sermon he gave at the 7:30 and 10:00 a.m. Masses Sunday December 19th at OLHC.

    Before revealing the following sermon which was preached by Father Starbuck at OLHC, here is some shocking history of what occurred that morning of December 19th after the 7:30 a.m. Mass.  A "man" violently banged on the confession door after the 7:30 Mass while Father was hearing confessions is no other than the usher from the 7:30 a.m. Mass "Joel Iddings." MR. IDDINGS IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE OLHC SCHOOL BOARD!  He yelled at Father "YOU ARE NOT TO GIVE THAT SERMON AT THE 10:00 MASS!"  Father was freightened by this psychological "assault."*  Father felt fearful by this individual's brutal aggression against him.  Mr. Iddings then  ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit before the 10:00 a.m. Mass so Father would not be able to give this sermon again.  Bravely, Father gave it anyway.

    Sources in the parish had informed me that this "man" then ordered Father Starbuck to not come on church property again(after December 19th) and to not attempt to say the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at all the coming Christmas week!  In addition, Mr. Iddings then threatened Father Starbuck that if he were to come on the property of OLHC again, he would personally see to it that Father would be arrested for trespassing! The injustice and abusive brutality of this "man" who knew that Father Starbuck had faithfully served Our Lady Help of Christians Chapel for 15 years!  Then proceeding to threaten Father like this mere days before Christmas is the most cruel Un-Catholic like sacrilegious "Judas" act of betrayal to Father's faithful giving of himself to OLHC for 15 years!

    *Assault Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

    "Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an act intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact that causes apprehension of such contact in the victim.

    "The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action (like viciously banging on the door of the confessional while Father is hearing confessions)  might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim.  Intent is an essential element of assault. In tort law, it can be specific intent—if the assailant intends to cause the apprehension of harmful or offensive contact in the victim—or general intent—if he or she intends to do the act that causes such apprehension. In addition, the intent element is satisfied if it is substantially certain, to a reasonable person, that the act will cause the result."
    This despicable "man"  "Joel Iddings" sacrilegious act should be held accountable for his  "psychological assault" he perpetrated against Father Starbuck!

    What makes this "psychological assault" even more treacherous is that Father is a gentle, Christ-like, charitable, loving and giving priest!

    Lastly, why was the live-streamed 10 a.m. blacked out that day?  Who was responsible for the Mass being blacked out which was always live-streamed on You Tube. It was not that day! Who was responsible for that?


    Here is the actual sermon Fr. Starbuck gave on Sunday 19 December 2021:

    "I had a sermon prepared for this morning. However,there are some matters of business that do not allow ofdeferral. Therefore, I will present that sermon at a later time.

    I have always tried to be truthful and to do the right thing. And sometimes I have paid a price for that. But please know this about me: I will always try to be honest with you and to fulfill my commitment to you as a public servant and as a priest. I want to begin by saying that these past five weeks of my life have been like no others. My vocation is not a job. It demands my every moment, and my every commitment, but this is especially so these past few weeks. And this on top of so much recent loss. I have given 15 years now of my life to this parish (a quarter of my life), and I was hoping to spend the remainder of my years here. I still hope that is possible. Over these years, I have rolled with the punches, & endured intricate/delicate, indeed,often complex situations. I have held my own. But when Fr. Perez died, there was only one person here who would rightfully have pastoral seniority to succeed him; and, like it or not, that is me!

    But shortly after Fr. Perez’s death, a lay board rose up asserting its legal authority to appoint the next “pastor” of this parish. Iwant to be clear in stating that (w/o pointing a finger at them) this is Lutheranism pure and simple. Laypeople could never have the ecclesial power or jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor. That they may have a legal right is not the same as having a divine right. And while there are fine people on this board who engender my complete respect, the cohesion and leadership of this lay incorporation has been problematic. Nor do I see it being able to work. I did make it clear that I will not serve under another “pastor.” At the same time, I have wanted to  facilitate the transition that the church is undergoing at least through the end of the year. That has been my desire.

    I do not take my marching orders from laypeople. And I cannot, as a priest, answer to competing voices on a lay board.
    And moreover, as a priest, my credibility, leadership,and moral responsibility could be jeopardized if a situation not yet addressed in this parish is allowed to continue. My continuous requests for the vetting of priests serving in this parish have not & are not being met. We have had a couple of “priests” coming through here whose ordination I found questionable (based on information that later became available), and we have had at least one priest who had no business being here. Yes, mistakes were made (albeit, not on my part), and we should have learned from them.

    Five years ago, I proposed to Fr. Perez the following specific requirements of any priest serving in this parish. And they are the following:

    1. A criminal background check with ID, performed by a reputable third party, meeting state complacency. Also, the background check that I am requesting is not just a clearance check. It must consist of a positive trace of the person’s history."


    *Editor's Note - Insert herein:

    Re:  California Law - legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes

    ARTICLE 2. Commission on Teacher Credentialing [44210 - 44239]  ( Heading of Article 2 amended by Stats. 1988, Ch. 1355, Sec. 2.5. )
    44237.  (a) Every person, firm, association, partnership, or corporation offering or conducting private school instruction on the elementary or high school level shall require each applicant for employment in a position requiring contact with minor pupils to submit two sets of fingerprints prepared for submittal by the employer to the Department of Justice for the purpose of obtaining criminal record summary information from the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    *Continuation of Father's sermon:

    "2. References.

    3. A chronological work history.

    4. Proof of ordination. And I want to know the ordaining bishop, seminary, and formational contacts. And just for your information, as a Dominican I underwent thorough background checks and continuous vetting over a period of seven years. And I lived under a virtual microscope 24 hours a day during that time. Moreover, my background is not hidden. My formation and ordination can be found on the Internet. They are public.

    Of note, a request that I made of Fr. Perez last summer got dragged out, & and was never completed. And if I do not say something now, this situation will never be addressed. Let me ask a question. If you hired someone to work on your house, would you not want references? Or if you sent your children to a day care center, would you not want references? This is the house of God. Can we be any less responsible?

    So here is what I am asking: A priest is a public person. Let me repeat that: A priest is a public person. Therefore, with due respect to all parties involved & a presumption of good will on the part of all, I am asking that the vetting of Fr. Wiest be completed, and that the results of that vetting process, including proof of ordination be made public.

    The problem is that there is no public life of any Fr.Michael Wiest (I know this in part, not just because it cannot be found on the internet, but because I actually had a professional investigator call me one day to inform me of this. He was completely puzzled.) there is no public life of any Fr. Michael Wiest who was born in Chicago, ordained in Italy, and who served in any parish or diocese during these past 30 or so years.

    There is no public record of ministry. There is no record of pastoral assignments. In short, there is no
    such public person. And the fact that there is no such public person does not just amount to an absence of information, it amounts to a fact that demands explanation. It is a problem. And for this reason many in this parish question his ordination. For his own benefit we need to answer this  question. And we need to know the credentials of any priest serving in this parish. That is not asking too much.

    Finally, while I do not acknowledge the ecclesial authority of a lay board, if one is to exist, it must be cohesive, charitable, and committed to the principles of the Catholic faith. And if the parishioners of this church are unhappy with this arrangement, perhaps they need to consider another option, perhaps the appointment of a new board which they feel represents them. But with all due respect, I just do not see this lay board being able to resolve effectively the problems this parish faces, or to find a clear path forward. And FYI, this lay board represents the interests of the school (PPA) and not of the church.

    Additionally, I do know that the board is considering (interviewing) priests who celebrate Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal. I want to say that it has been our position that this Missal is theologically inadequate (if not modernistic). Fr. Perez vehemently rejected the 1962 Roman Missal. Moreover, it is likely to be problematic to our public celebration of Mass in this church. May I remind you of some of the problems of this Missal (?):

    Revised rite of Holy Week. The famous writer Evelyn Waugh considered the revision of Holy Week to be an extremely disappointing loss.

    The introduction of red on Good Friday and Communion of the faithful were arbitrary and capricious, and miss the fundamental (essential) point of the liturgy (i.e., the Mass of the Pre-Sanctified). It omits Second Confiteor.  It omits numerous octaves, and accordingly significant vigils.

    It omits significant feasts, such as January 1: (the Feast of the Circuмcision). The theological
    significance: Christ is the fulfillment of the law!

    It introduces the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker (as a concession to the tenets of socialism)  It omits Commemorations.

    The Passion Narrative during Holy Week is considered to be the Gospel reading. A theological fiction.  Feasts of important saints are haphazardly &arbitrarily moved, making it confusing even to a priest to follow this new ordo.  Feasts of historically momentous saints are suppressed.

    St. Joseph is introduced to the Canon. Notably: This is the only change to the Canon since the time of St. Gregory the Great. Why such an introduction? And if this is admitted, then any change can be made to the Canon of the Mass. And the theological significance: St. Joseph was not a martyr, an exception to the list of those saints who appear in the Canon.

    It is inadequate to argue that there are no doctrinal problems with this Missal, as does the SSPX. It is a deviation from the lex orandi, it is theologically inadequate, & it is misguided in numerous respects.

    And even if you believe that the 1962 Roman Missal is okay, how could we serve the needs of this parish in requiring people to attend daily Mass with two missals, perhaps not knowing which priest is celebrating that day, not to mention the cost to those with less money?

    And finally, finding a priest who observes and understands tradition in the same way as Fr. Perez and myself is a virtually impossible task. You will likely either encounter a sedevacantist or a modernist (who says: “Yes I celebrate the traditional ‘extraordinary form of the Roman rite’ in Latin.”, as if there could be such thing). So I advise a great note of caution in introducing any priest to this parish.

    These are my concerns. You may respond as you see fitting & appropriate. However we proceed going forward, I call for civility & charity, for listening and understanding, and for a prayerful and thoughtful approach from all parties involved.

    Finally, while it is not my custom, I am willing to make a transcript of these words available in a PDF file for circulation, so that my words are clear for everyone’s understanding, for those who are absent, and for the public record. I do not have the time to send this out as a response to every email inquiry. But if someone could assist me in making it available, I am glad to provide a PDF file for circulation."


    Father Cedrick Starbuck

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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #55 on: January 26, 2022, 04:27:29 AM »
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  • Father's Starbuck Revised Mass Schedule


    Due to a scheduling conflict, I am unable to have the 8:30 a.m. Mass on Saturday morning in my chapel. I am terribly sorry about this. However, I will have Mass on Friday morning, as scheduled, and I am able to offer a first Friday Mass (the following week) in the afternoon at 4:00 PM. The following is my schedule for the coming week. After this, things should hopefully start to get into a more solid pattern.
     
    January 28-30:
    Friday: 8:30 a.m.
    Saturday: No Mass
    Sunday:     7:309:30 a.m.
     
    First Week of February:
    Wednesday: 8:30 a.m., Candlemas
    Friday: 4:00 p.m., First Friday
    Saturday: 8:30 a.m., First Saturday
    Sunday: 7:309:30 a.m.




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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #56 on: January 26, 2022, 01:34:17 PM »
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  • Message from The Board

    Hi everyone  - Tonight, Wednesday, Jan. 26, the school board of PPA is having a meeting in Fr. Schell Hall at 7pm - it's regarding the passing of Monsignor, his wishes, and the priests at OLHC - This meeting was originally open to only the PPA parents (who were informed this past Monday) but now, per Jennifer Martin  and Marsha Odou, has been opened up to the whole parish - the board  is leaving it up to word-of-mouth, thus my message here - please pass along this message to any other Parishioners that you know and who might be interested in attending - Thank you!

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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #57 on: January 26, 2022, 03:10:04 PM »
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  • Message from The Board

    Hi everyone  - Tonight, Wednesday, Jan. 26, the school board of PPA is having a meeting in Fr. Schell Hall at 7pm - it's regarding the passing of Monsignor, his wishes, and the priests at OLHC - This meeting was originally open to only the PPA parents (who were informed this past Monday) but now, per Jennifer Martin  and Marsha Odou, has been opened up to the whole parish - the board  is leaving it up to word-of-mouth, thus my message here - please pass along this message to any other Parishioners that you know and who might be interested in attending - Thank you!
    I wonder why this is not posted on the OLHC website.

    https://www.ourladyhelpofchristians.us/
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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #58 on: January 26, 2022, 10:16:22 PM »
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  • Cera - You wrote:  "I wonder why this is not posted on the OLHC website?"  I too wonder why?  AND also wonder why there was NO reasonable advance notice as to this meeting!  Makes for a convenient "going through the motions." "Word of mouth" is insufficient time for so serious a matter. Why did they give same day notice?   I'm wondering if they are going to read this so-called letter from Fr. Perez?  Doesn't prove anything in my opinion.  And here's why?

    To the anonymous "We"

    Point well taken (regarding repetition) .  However, we're dealing with a grave injustice here!  My last post dealt with NEW rumors/news related to this issue that there is some sort of "Letter" available with the OLHC "School Board."  My valid NEW post/commentary is relevant & appropriate to the topic of this thread and these new rumors.  What is your detached "anonymous/we" pompous investment in this matter?  Rather than superciliously acting like the thread police and monitoring people's comments, what relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed while posting here "anonymously?"

    The following commentary IS relevant to the matter at hand.  "Judging by the conscienceless, cruel, base, unjust, and what I believe evil behavior of "The School Board" and their un-Catholic, uncharitable treatment of Fr. Starbuck , I do not trust nor do I believe in some dubious "hand-written" note purportedly written by Father Perez!  All of a sudden, we're supposed to believe that there is suddenly this magical "proof" letter  and that Father Perez turned his back and betrayed Fr. Starbuck's 15 years service at OLHC. I don't believe that Fr. Perez would have done such an injustice to Father Starbuck.

    SO, I SAY -- PROVE IT BY SHOWING THE LETTER AND HAVING IT EXAMINED BY A HANDWRITING EXPERT!!

    1)  By immediately publicly publishing the letter and fixing a hard copy to each OLHC bulletin for all the OLHC faithful to have in their possession!

    2) By hiring an impartial, unbiased, legally notarized handwriting expert!  He should be given access to this purportedly "hand-written letter" and compare it to other established past known hand written examples of Fr. Perez's handwriting!

    Like St. Thomas - I DON'T BELIEVE IT until I see it!  Judging by the school boards conscienceless, cruel & base behavior, why should I trust them? I believe they have broken "trust" with the OLHC faithfull!"



    "Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
    For the things that are done by them in secret, it is a shame even to speak of.
    But all things that are reproved, are made manifest by the light; for all that
    is made manifest is light.
    Wherefore he saith: Rise thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead:
    and Christ shall enlighten thee."

    Ephesians 5:11-14

    Douay Rheims Version








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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #59 on: January 28, 2022, 02:21:51 PM »
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  • OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

    It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

    Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

    Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

    Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

    And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

    At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

    P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

    For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
    https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
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