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Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2022, 09:33:13 PM »
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  • Pre -'55 Missal would be a more accurate title/description

    Why?
    I never understood that.

    I've heard this many times, so I'm not just picking on you. But since you brought it up, I HAVE to know.

    Pre-1962 would seem to be the MOST accurate. Please explain why that is not so.
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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #16 on: January 12, 2022, 02:47:48 AM »
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  • Subject:  The crucial, vital ongoing question that need to be answered is - Is "Fr." Michael Wiest a priest or an imposter and the consequences thereof:

    Bottom line is this.! After all this time in seeking the truth about this man, Mr. Michael Wiese, and getting nowhere, I now feel and am calling that this man should be investigated and interrogated by the authorities, namely the Garden Grove Police!  My reasoning is this:  There is a term police and the authorities use when deciding to investigate or question a suspicious person for any kind of possible suspicious activity and that term is "probable cause." It is my opinion and I feel that there is enough "probable cause" here with Michael Wiese that he should be questioned by the police for the following reasons:

    1 - Here is a man who desires to interact with children (alter boys) yet when asked to show his drivers license HE ADAMANTLY REFUSED TO DO SO!! Why?  Isn't that a "red flag?"  Shouldn't that bother the parents of Padre Pio Academy at OLHC? Shouldn't they be up in arms that this man refuses to show his license and chooses not to give ANY information regarding where he was as a priest before coming to OLHC? Where was he ordained? What bishop ordained him?  What seminary did he attend? THERE IS NO ABSOLUTELY INFORMATION AVAILABLE ABOUT THIS MAN AT ALL! Why isn't there a mass rebellion and outcry to find out the reasons why this man refuses to show docuмentation about himself (particularly from OLHC parents who have children in the school) and the OLHC faithful who are very smart educated traditionalists.  What is wrong here?

    2. There does not exist nor is there ANY information on any background check services for an individual named "Michael Wiese." Check it yourself!  The is NO information and nothing comes up AT ALL with this man's name in the most powerful search engine GOOGLE! WHY?
    3.  Why doesn't the "Board" want to know anything of the background of this man particularly for the reasons that if, in the end, it turns out that he is not a priest that they would be legally and grossly liable.  In addition, they would be considered an "accessory" for providing "cover" for this man for failing and refusing to do due diligence on him and deliberately blocking any effort to legitimately seek proof of his identity as a priest!

    The mystery is that he says all the right things from pulpit thus appearing to be legitimate and he definitely knows his way around the alter and the Mass BUT he will not reveal where he was as a priest previously!  Doesn't this bother anyone else?  In addition, he has been grossly abusive, vicious, angry, uncharitable, back-biting and hateful towards Fr. Starbuck! Why is that? This does not integrate with the way he presents himself on the alter podium as a nice, gentle, all-wise, advise giving and charitable "priest"?

    By the way, how would the faithful feel if it turns out this man indeed is not an ordained priest and that they have been going to confession to him and have been duped into believing that they have been receiving the Body & Blood of Christ only  find out that this man is a scam?  I know how I would feel.  I have gone to confession to him and thought I was receiving a valid sacraments from him.  If I found out that I was scammed,  I would be outraged and repulsed that I was duped by this man and the OLHC Board!  If that turned out to be the case, I feel a class action suit from all the faithful of OLHC to this man and "The Board" would be in order. Lastly, I ask that if anyone who is reading this thread and is a police officer or knows a person in authority can possibly respond and advise this tread if they feel that there is "probable cause" here.  Of course,only  God knows the truth and I am just expressing my opinions and legitimate questions here.

    Lastly, If I am in fact wrong here and am shown the facts with solid evidence that I'm wrong, I would humbly and willingly acknowledged that to be the case and I would attempt to seek Christ-like harmony and peace to all involved. I just want the Truth!


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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #17 on: January 12, 2022, 03:51:10 AM »
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  • As for their choice of chapel name --

    I can only say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Apparently I made St. Dominic "cool".

    Normally I wouldn't assume my reach is that large. And I realize St. Dominic was one of the founders of a major religious order. Nevertheless, how many St. Dominic's Chapels are there in Tradition, before the one started in Seguin in 2014?

    Notice I got the domain name. That says a lot right there. And no I didn't buy it off anybody.

    Not St Dominic's parish, or St. Dominic's church -- StDominicsChapel. What a *traditional chapel* named after St. Dominic would be called. And not .us, .org, .church or some other hard-to-remember extension. We're talking the famous, 1st choice .com suffix.

    Correct me if I'm wrong. Are there any SSPX chapels named after St. Dominic? And isn't this Traditional chapel only the 2nd one in the United States to be named after that saint? Maybe there is a Sede chapel(s) named after him; I don't know. I'm not very familiar with the Sede world.
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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #18 on: January 12, 2022, 09:32:41 AM »
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  • ... Correction.  On second thought I feel the terms "investigated and interrogated" is too strong a term.  "Simply question" is more appropriate.

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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #19 on: January 12, 2022, 11:17:36 AM »
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  • Subject:  The crucial, vital ongoing question that need to be answered is - Is "Fr." Michael Wiest a priest or an imposter and the consequences thereof:

    Bottom line is this.! After all this time in seeking the truth about this man, Mr. Michael Wiese, and getting nowhere, I now feel and am calling that this man should be investigated and interrogated by the authorities, namely the Garden Grove Police!  My reasoning is this:  There is a term police and the authorities use when deciding to investigate or question a suspicious person for any kind of possible suspicious activity and that term is "probable cause." It is my opinion and I feel that there is enough "probable cause" here with Michael Wiese that he should be questioned by the police for the following reasons:

    1 - Here is a man who desires to interact with children (alter boys) yet when asked to show his drivers license HE ADAMANTLY REFUSED TO DO SO!! Why?  Isn't that a "red flag?"  Shouldn't that bother the parents of Padre Pio Academy at OLHC? Shouldn't they be up in arms that this man refuses to show his license and chooses not to give ANY information regarding where he was as a priest before coming to OLHC? Where was he ordained? What bishop ordained him?  What seminary did he attend? THERE IS NO ABSOLUTELY INFORMATION AVAILABLE ABOUT THIS MAN AT ALL! Why isn't there a mass rebellion and outcry to find out the reasons why this man refuses to show docuмentation about himself (particularly from OLHC parents who have children in the school) and the OLHC faithful who are very smart educated traditionalists.  What is wrong here?

    2. There does not exist nor is there ANY information on any background check services for an individual named "Michael Wiese." Check it yourself!  The is NO information and nothing comes up AT ALL with this man's name in the most powerful search engine GOOGLE! WHY?
    3.  Why doesn't the "Board" want to know anything of the background of this man particularly for the reasons that if, in the end, it turns out that he is not a priest that they would be legally and grossly liable.  In addition, they would be considered an "accessory" for providing "cover" for this man for failing and refusing to do due diligence on him and deliberately blocking any effort to legitimately seek proof of his identity as a priest!

    The mystery is that he says all the right things from pulpit thus appearing to be legitimate and he definitely knows his way around the alter and the Mass BUT he will not reveal where he was as a priest previously!  Doesn't this bother anyone else?  In addition, he has been grossly abusive, vicious, angry, uncharitable, back-biting and hateful towards Fr. Starbuck! Why is that? This does not integrate with the way he presents himself on the alter podium as a nice, gentle, all-wise, advise giving and charitable "priest"?

    By the way, how would the faithful feel if it turns out this man indeed is not an ordained priest and that they have been going to confession to him and have been duped into believing that they have been receiving the Body & Blood of Christ only  find out that this man is a scam?  I know how I would feel.  I have gone to confession to him and thought I was receiving a valid sacraments from him.  If I found out that I was scammed,  I would be outraged and repulsed that I was duped by this man and the OLHC Board!  If that turned out to be the case, I feel a class action suit from all the faithful of OLHC to this man and "The Board" would be in order. Lastly, I ask that if anyone who is reading this thread and is a police officer or knows a person in authority can possibly respond and advise this tread if they feel that there is "probable cause" here.  Of course,only  God knows the truth and I am just expressing my opinions and legitimate questions here.

    Lastly, If I am in fact wrong here and am shown the facts with solid evidence that I'm wrong, I would humbly and willingly acknowledged that to be the case and I would attempt to seek Christ-like harmony and peace to all involved. I just want the Truth!
    the truth is, you may never know.
    call the CA school board and tell them Padre Pio has not vetted an employee.  Maybe they will do something.


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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #20 on: January 12, 2022, 12:34:11 PM »
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  • I was browsing the internet namely the images of Chapels though out the world today.  I found these beautiful spiritual photos/images of "chapels."  Wouldn't it be a miracle and wonderful that some generous Catholic benefactor who believes in Father Starbuck's cause to only use the "pre-1962 Missal finds a beautiful chapel like one of these buildings for Father?  I'm just dreaming... Wouldn't it be beautiful to see Father say Mass in one of these beautiful chapels?

    Of course, in the meantime, we have a beautiful chapel now where Father is saying Mass and... word about what happened to Father is getting out!   Attendance is rapidly growing each week.  The first week there were 45 Traditional Catholics who attended Father's first Mass.  Last Sunday there were 95 present at both Masses and this Sunday I expect much more.  And... the wonderful thing is that Father hears confession before each Mass!

    Now... here is the link and the beautiful images of St. Michael's chapels throughout the world.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=LB1cAMw9&id=D46A10B59ED631941D9CDCA959FEA8EC78C66ACB&thid=OIP.LB1cAMw92LoOC6tGyZTTZwHaFi&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ctfc.org.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2F290-500x374.jpg&exph=374&expw=500&q=st+michael%27s+chapel&simid=608046337131488844&form=IRPRST&ck=C06EA37F425FDA3FEEDC4FCA80EC4D9B&selectedindex=74&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0&vt=0&sim=11&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.2c1d5c00cc3dd8ba0e0bab46c994d367%3Frik%3Dy2rGeOyo%252flmp3A%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0


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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #21 on: January 12, 2022, 12:46:26 PM »
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  • Congratulations!  This is good news. 
    This turned out to be a blessing from God for you all, Cera.  

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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #22 on: January 12, 2022, 01:06:21 PM »
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  • Wouldn't it be beautiful to see Father say Mass in one of these beautiful chapels?
    That would be wonderful! We need something like this in central Orange County. Traditional chapels or churches that offer the TLM in this area are either by the coast or north towards the San Gabriel mountains.


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    « Reply #23 on: January 12, 2022, 10:32:59 PM »
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  •                                                               Bulletin - St. Dominic's Chapel


    As noted here in my previous posts, the interest, devotion and love shown to Father at St. Dominic's Chapel has been manifested by the full capacity attendance of all the Masses last Sunday .  Because of the demand and capacity attendance at all the Masses last week, Father has now agreed to have a 3rd Mass at 12:00 p.m. this Sunday January 16th.  I recommend coming early as seating is quickly filled.  In addition, the rosary will be said before each Mass AND Father Starbuck will hear confessions before all Masses.

    The Mass schedule for January 14 - 16th is as follows:

    Friday: at 8:30 a.m.
    Saturday: 8:30 a.m.
    Sunday (now 3 Masses)
    7:30 a.m., 9:30 a.m. & 12:00 p.m. (noon)*

    *And Again, there is confession before each Mass.

    Father Starbuck will be waiting outside the chapel for confessions before EACH Mass. Father Starbuck will be doing all three Masses and all confessions by himself!  I'm sure after the 3rd Mass Sunday, Father will be quite exhausted!  Please pray for Father Starbuck that God will strengthen him. I also humbly ask that we examine our conscious and show our appreciation and heart-felt gratitude in supporting Father Starbuck in his time of need for the Sacrifices he is making to God and... for us.  Thank you.






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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #24 on: January 13, 2022, 01:36:47 PM »
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  •                                                             Bulletin - St. Dominic's Chapel


    As noted here in my previous posts, the interest, devotion and love shown to Father at St. Dominic's Chapel has been manifested by the full capacity attendance of all the Masses last Sunday .  Because of the demand and capacity attendance at all the Masses last week, Father has now agreed to have a 3rd Mass at 12:00 p.m. this Sunday January 16th.  I recommend coming early as seating is quickly filled.  In addition, the rosary will be said before each Mass AND Father Starbuck will hear confessions before all Masses.

    The Mass schedule for January 14 - 16th is as follows:

    Friday: at 8:30 a.m.
    Saturday: 8:30 a.m.
    Sunday (now 3 Masses)
    7:30 a.m., 9:30 a.m. & 12:00 p.m. (noon)*

    *And Again, there is confession before each Mass.

    Father Starbuck will be waiting outside the chapel for confessions before EACH Mass. Father Starbuck will be doing all three Masses and all confessions by himself!  I'm sure after the 3rd Mass Sunday, Father will be quite exhausted!  Please pray for Father Starbuck that God will strengthen him. I also humbly ask that we examine our conscious and show our appreciation and heart-felt gratitude in supporting Father Starbuck in his time of need for the Sacrifices he is making to God and... for us.  Thank you.
    Deo Gratias!
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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #25 on: January 13, 2022, 07:45:47 PM »
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  •                                                             Bulletin - St. Dominic's Chapel


    As noted here in my previous posts, the interest, devotion and love shown to Father at St. Dominic's Chapel has been manifested by the full capacity attendance of all the Masses last Sunday .  Because of the demand and capacity attendance at all the Masses last week, Father has now agreed to have a 3rd Mass at 12:00 p.m. this Sunday January 16th.  I recommend coming early as seating is quickly filled.  In addition, the rosary will be said before each Mass AND Father Starbuck will hear confessions before all Masses.

    The Mass schedule for January 14 - 16th is as follows:

    Friday: at 8:30 a.m.
    Saturday: 8:30 a.m.
    Sunday (now 3 Masses)
    7:30 a.m., 9:30 a.m. & 12:00 p.m. (noon)*

    *And Again, there is confession before each Mass.

    Father Starbuck will be waiting outside the chapel for confessions before EACH Mass. Father Starbuck will be doing all three Masses and all confessions by himself!  I'm sure after the 3rd Mass Sunday, Father will be quite exhausted!  Please pray for Father Starbuck that God will strengthen him. I also humbly ask that we examine our conscious and show our appreciation and heart-felt gratitude in supporting Father Starbuck in his time of need for the Sacrifices he is making to God and... for us.  Thank you.
    where is father getting the energy for all this?
    God is clearly taking care of His Faithful.
    BtW, who is Fr. Starbucks superior?


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    Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
    « Reply #26 on: January 14, 2022, 10:02:32 AM »
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  • Fr. Starbuck is an independent priest so there's no "superior". There's no bishop. I believe he was originally ordained as a Dominican.

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    « Reply #27 on: January 14, 2022, 10:27:19 AM »
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  • Fr. Starbuck is an independent priest so there's no "superior". There's no bishop. I believe he was originally ordained as a Dominican.
    so where does he get holy oils?

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    « Reply #28 on: January 16, 2022, 01:33:56 AM »
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  • so where does he get holy oils?
    where does he get holy oils?

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    « Reply #29 on: January 16, 2022, 10:40:24 AM »
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  • where does he get holy oils?
    Probably from the same source that Father Perez obtained the specific holy oils which must be blessed by a bishop. That would be the same source where our children were confirmed by a bishop.
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