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Offline Yeti

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Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2022, 03:43:45 PM »
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  • The whole Bennyvacantist argument is based on an assertion that is simply false, i.e., that munus and ministerium mean two different things and are mutually exclusive terms. In reality, there is a certain amount of overlap between their meanings, more than enough to debunk any claim that Benny was certainly using the words to refer to two separate things, i.e. the office and the function of the office.


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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #46 on: March 19, 2022, 09:35:24 AM »
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  • Sometimes the Jesuit Superior General is referred to as the Black pope.  So the one prophecy about the white pope and the black pope dying the same night was often taken as a reference to the Jesuit superior.  Of course, Bergoglio is a Jesuit ... the first ever Jesuit “pope”.  Antipopes are also “popes” in a manner of speaking.  And now we also have a “pope emeritus”.  I think that there’s no better time for the prophecy to be fulfilled.  I also believe the prophecy said that a restoration of the Church would begin when the black pope and white pope died during the same night.
    March 25, 2022?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #47 on: March 19, 2022, 09:57:36 AM »
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  • March 25, 2022?

    That thought has crossed my mind.  I could see a couple of Russian hypersonics paying a visit to Rome that day ... perhaps minutes after their simulated "consecration of Russia by a pope".

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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #48 on: March 19, 2022, 10:01:29 AM »
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  • The whole Bennyvacantist argument is based on an assertion that is simply false, i.e., that munus and ministerium mean two different things and are mutually exclusive terms. In reality, there is a certain amount of overlap between their meanings, more than enough to debunk any claim that Benny was certainly using the words to refer to two separate things, i.e. the office and the function of the office.

    Yeah, there's a false argument that Canon law requires a certain "word" to be used in a resignation simply because it chose one or the other of these terms to describe it.  In fact, Canon Law doesn't even require a formal resignation docuмent.  Just says that he has to sufficiently make his intentions known.  He could simply walk out and say, "Later guys.  I'm done with this pope stuff." so that anyone could reasonably conclude that his intention was to quit.  In fact, there's a principle that abandonment of an office is tacit resignation.  Since Ratziger has not pretended to exercise any papal authority for almost 10 years now, that would suffice for a tacit resignation.  If you had one of those corrupt Borgia popes leave the Vatican, go around the world womanizing, and doing none of his papal functions, that too would be enough.  Now if it was found out that he resigned under extreme duress, that would be a different story and a stronger argument.  Also, the fact that Bergoglio's election was clearly engineered and orchestrated beforehand, that would (by even JP2's prior decree) invalidate the election.

    No matter how you slice it though, Bergoglio is no more the pope than I am.

    Ratzinger couldn't have made it clearer, using the circuмlocution " in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is."

    I don't see how it could be made more explicit.

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    Re: Patrick Coffin goes Bennyvacantist
    « Reply #49 on: March 19, 2022, 10:47:39 AM »
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  • That thought has crossed my mind.  I could see a couple of Russian hypersonics paying a visit to Rome that day ... perhaps minutes after their simulated "consecration of Russia by a pope".
    No, because then that would make them "martyrs".  I think they just die.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)