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Title: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 08, 2022, 07:02:01 PM
St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962) Chapel in Orange County, CA.
Evidently the person who live-streams OLHC’s Mass will stop live-streaming from OLHC and will instead begin live-streaming Father Starbuck’s Mass at St. Dominic's by the end of this month.

If you go to you tube and enter Our Lady Help of Christians, you will find this message:
Saint Dominic's Chapel (Fr. Cedrik Starbuck)
2 days ago
I am reworking my channel to support Fr. Starbuck's Saint Dominic's Chapel.  I will continue to live streaming the 10AM Mass from OLHC up to and including January 23rd.  After that, you will have to inquire at OLHC's website for the future of their live streaming.  I am hoping to have Fr. Starbuck's live stream up and running by the 30th.  Stay tuned.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSvZT6EWUw-6L21TpMg_YXA/community


Deo Gratius!
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Anne Evergreen on January 08, 2022, 09:07:23 PM
I'm happy for you! That's wonderful. Make sure you keep the security cameras recording 24/7 too. ;) Maybe hire a nice guard dog and security team at random times. You know, keep the trouble-makers guessing whether or not the dog is on duty and will it bite? It absolutely works. You just need to be sure you have signage warning of "Guard Dog on duty."

:-) Congratulations, prayer works! Keep it up.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 08, 2022, 10:34:56 PM
God blessed Fr. Starbuck with perseverance.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 09, 2022, 01:55:13 PM
Here is an update from OLHC's YouTube channel:

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AKedOLSevZNPSH7QELfOs5Zyh8DDyFQw_nW5NMKrPgxM-iEq4wU0axjsgZRhf36Wj-ml=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj) (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSvZT6EWUw-6L21TpMg_YXA)
Saint Dominic's Chapel (Fr. Cedrik Starbuck) (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSvZT6EWUw-6L21TpMg_YXA)

941 subscribers

NOTICE: This channel is being converted to support Fr. Starbuck's Sunday Mass and will stop streaming OLHC's Sunday Mass shortly. I have agreed, per the request of OLHC's board, to disable chat while streaming their Masses to promote harmony. However, Sunday, January 23rd, will be the last stream. After that, I will only stream Fr. Starbuck's Sunday Masses and chat will be re-enabled.


https://   www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi0JorUe_Lc










NOTICE: This channel is being converted to support Fr. Starbuck's Sunday Mass and will stop streaming OLHC's Sunday Mass shortly. I have agreed, per the request of OLHC's board, to disable chat while streaming their Masses to promote harmony. However, Sunday, January 23rd, will be the last stream. After that, I will only stream Fr. Starbuck's Sunday Masses and chat will be re-enabled.


Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Jacinta on January 09, 2022, 02:20:14 PM

Quote
(pre-1962 Missal)

Pre -'55 Missal would be a more accurate title/description
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 09, 2022, 06:29:33 PM
Pre -'55 Missal would be a more accurate title/description
Yes. Thank you Jacina.

Here is the statement Father Starbuck mentioned today at Mass.
It is his response to the school board's recent post.

8 January 2022

Dear Faithful,

On January 6, on the OLHC website, the following words were posted regarding me:

“Father Starbuck’s deciding reply, as he reiterated in his public sermon and as has been published on the internet, was that he would not work under the authority of another priest as pastor; nor would he take any good faith advice from the Board. As you can deduce from the sermon of December 19, Father Starbuck refused to accept Monsignor’s stipulation, effectively declining to work with other priests, and in fact publicly denouncing one by name. This had clearly become an unworkable situation since Father had obviously decided to go his own way. We wish Father Starbuck well and thank him for the years he has spent with us.”

I believe that a response is in order. First of all, I did state to the PPA/OLHC Board that I would not work under another “pastor.” Is there anything wrong with that? That is not insubordination, it is my priestly right. The following statement “nor would he take any good faith advice from the Board” is unintelligible to me, since it is ambiguous and open to more than one meaning. Are they saying ‘that’ I told them that I would not take good faith advice? I did not. Or are they saying that I would (or that I did) not in fact take good faith advice? If they are saying that they had rendered “good faith advice,” to my memory none was never offered. And if it had been, I would have done my best to hear them out. Moreover, their statement that “Father had obviously decided to go his own way,” is not accurate. I had made no such decision, and had told them that, minimally, I wanted to see the situation through to the end of the year, and that I would consider working with them into the indefinite future. I felt that that was the least I could do for the good people of this parish. But instead, on December 23 one member of the Board called me to tell me that I was “on vacation” that weekend and that if I were to appear on church property I would be considered to be “trespassing” and would “be arrested.” (That is the last and final communication that I received from the board.) Because another schedule was later posted on the church website with other celebrants for my Masses (and given the previous threat), I did not return. They later sent the contents of my mail bin home to me, which included outgoing items, with no explanation. Moreover, this same Board continues to tell people that I am on a leave of absence. And perhaps most strikingly, I was never given any notice of termination. So far as I know, maybe I am still employed by OLHC.

They state that I refused to work with other priests. When? They state that I had denounced one by name. When? My criticism on December 19 was not of the priest. My criticism was of the Board for not doing their job to vet priests in the time that I have served this parish. And regarding “Monsignor’s stipulation,” what on earth are they talking about? I was never given any stipulation. Moreover, their tone seems to imply that I am an employee who is answerable to them in the same way other employees are answerable to employers. The same member of the Board, cited above, himself admitted to me that he did not know what I spent all my time doing as a priest (i.e., what a priest’s duties are). Is it not obvious that this Board does not know what a priest does, especially when they have not made one good policy decision since Fr. Perez died? And they have been responsible for numerous misrepresentations of the truth (may I call them lies?). For example, when did Sister Taddeo “return to Korea”? This statement in the January 2 Sunday bulletin was very hurtful to Sister Taddeo, as she faithfully attends Mass now in my chapel and has, indeed, not left the country. And where was the compassion for this Sister who had served this parish for at least ten years in cutting off her rent at the end of December (at Christmas), especially when I had negotiated a continuing rental fee well below market value, retaining a month-to-month agreement with the property manager? This treatment of a religious Sister at this time following the death of Fr. Perez was a heartless calculated decision that saw dollar signs and not human hearts.

Further, I would be remiss in not noting how disappointed Fr. Perez would be with the introduction of the 1962 Roman Missal at OLHC. How much time over the years did he spend criticizing that Missal from the pulpit? He must, indeed, be saddened by this development (even from the grave).

And I want to say that as an independent priest, I have owed no one anything in my ministry at OLHC over the course of this past 15 years. It has all been gratis. And if the situation had been workable with the Board, I would have stayed for at least another 20 years. But I want to be clear in stating that if I had left at any time over the course of my tenure, that would have been my right and my decision to make. I owed no one anything. And it is in that same spirit that I continue my ministry here locally in serving those who seek my ministry, my teaching, and my sacraments.

Finally, one wonders why they will not produce the docuмent they cite. Would Fr. Perez have cogently signed such a docuмent? Regardless, it should be noted that the Catholic Church is not governed by laypeople, nor can it be. The situation of having a priest answering to laypeople is simply not workable, nor could they have ecclesial authority or jurisdiction to elect a “pastor.” They don’t understand his priestly duties, his obligations, Canon law, and certainly not his limitations as a human being. As it was, they were just posting or sending out anonymously written schedules expecting us to jump at their whim. I did not know who was writing what.

Lastly, please let me state that I wish everyone well, including those who stay at OLHC. I have been telling people that I am tired of all the stirrings, and simply want to move forward peaceably. If the Board of PPA/OLHC had handled things better, then they would not feel the need to continue blaming me for their own incompetance. I, therefore, ask them to make better decisions for the parishioners of OLHC, and to accept responsibility for their own decisions.

In our Lord,
Fr. Starbuck


Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 09, 2022, 08:29:51 PM
Yes. Thank you Jacina.

Here is the statement Father Starbuck mentioned today at Mass.
It is his response to the school board's recent post.

8 January 2022

Dear Faithful,

On January 6, on the OLHC website, the following words were posted regarding me:

“Father Starbuck’s deciding reply, as he reiterated in his public sermon and as has been published on the internet, was that he would not work under the authority of another priest as pastor; nor would he take any good faith advice from the Board. As you can deduce from the sermon of December 19, Father Starbuck refused to accept Monsignor’s stipulation, effectively declining to work with other priests, and in fact publicly denouncing one by name. This had clearly become an unworkable situation since Father had obviously decided to go his own way. We wish Father Starbuck well and thank him for the years he has spent with us.”

I believe that a response is in order. First of all, I did state to the PPA/OLHC Board that I would not work under another “pastor.” Is there anything wrong with that? That is not insubordination, it is my priestly right. The following statement “nor would he take any good faith advice from the Board” is unintelligible to me, since it is ambiguous and open to more than one meaning. Are they saying ‘that’ I told them that I would not take good faith advice? I did not. Or are they saying that I would (or that I did) not in fact take good faith advice? If they are saying that they had rendered “good faith advice,” to my memory none was never offered. And if it had been, I would have done my best to hear them out. Moreover, their statement that “Father had obviously decided to go his own way,” is not accurate. I had made no such decision, and had told them that, minimally, I wanted to see the situation through to the end of the year, and that I would consider working with them into the indefinite future. I felt that that was the least I could do for the good people of this parish. But instead, on December 23 one member of the Board called me to tell me that I was “on vacation” that weekend and that if I were to appear on church property I would be considered to be “trespassing” and would “be arrested.” (That is the last and final communication that I received from the board.) Because another schedule was later posted on the church website with other celebrants for my Masses (and given the previous threat), I did not return. They later sent the contents of my mail bin home to me, which included outgoing items, with no explanation. Moreover, this same Board continues to tell people that I am on a leave of absence. And perhaps most strikingly, I was never given any notice of termination. So far as I know, maybe I am still employed by OLHC.

They state that I refused to work with other priests. When? They state that I had denounced one by name. When? My criticism on December 19 was not of the priest. My criticism was of the Board for not doing their job to vet priests in the time that I have served this parish. And regarding “Monsignor’s stipulation,” what on earth are they talking about? I was never given any stipulation. Moreover, their tone seems to imply that I am an employee who is answerable to them in the same way other employees are answerable to employers. The same member of the Board, cited above, himself admitted to me that he did not know what I spent all my time doing as a priest (i.e., what a priest’s duties are). Is it not obvious that this Board does not know what a priest does, especially when they have not made one good policy decision since Fr. Perez died? And they have been responsible for numerous misrepresentations of the truth (may I call them lies?). For example, when did Sister Taddeo “return to Korea”? This statement in the January 2 Sunday bulletin was very hurtful to Sister Taddeo, as she faithfully attends Mass now in my chapel and has, indeed, not left the country. And where was the compassion for this Sister who had served this parish for at least ten years in cutting off her rent at the end of December (at Christmas), especially when I had negotiated a continuing rental fee well below market value, retaining a month-to-month agreement with the property manager? This treatment of a religious Sister at this time following the death of Fr. Perez was a heartless calculated decision that saw dollar signs and not human hearts.

Further, I would be remiss in not noting how disappointed Fr. Perez would be with the introduction of the 1962 Roman Missal at OLHC. How much time over the years did he spend criticizing that Missal from the pulpit? He must, indeed, be saddened by this development (even from the grave).

And I want to say that as an independent priest, I have owed no one anything in my ministry at OLHC over the course of this past 15 years. It has all been gratis. And if the situation had been workable with the Board, I would have stayed for at least another 20 years. But I want to be clear in stating that if I had left at any time over the course of my tenure, that would have been my right and my decision to make. I owed no one anything. And it is in that same spirit that I continue my ministry here locally in serving those who seek my ministry, my teaching, and my sacraments.

Finally, one wonders why they will not produce the docuмent they cite. Would Fr. Perez have cogently signed such a docuмent? Regardless, it should be noted that the Catholic Church is not governed by laypeople, nor can it be. The situation of having a priest answering to laypeople is simply not workable, nor could they have ecclesial authority or jurisdiction to elect a “pastor.” They don’t understand his priestly duties, his obligations, Canon law, and certainly not his limitations as a human being. As it was, they were just posting or sending out anonymously written schedules expecting us to jump at their whim. I did not know who was writing what.

Lastly, please let me state that I wish everyone well, including those who stay at OLHC. I have been telling people that I am tired of all the stirrings, and simply want to move forward peaceably. If the Board of PPA/OLHC had handled things better, then they would not feel the need to continue blaming me for their own incompetance. I, therefore, ask them to make better decisions for the parishioners of OLHC, and to accept responsibility for their own decisions.

In our Lord,
Fr. Starbuck
What "other celebrants" took over Fr. Starbucks masses at OLHC?
I understand "fr" Weist, but Fr. Starbucks uses the plural "celebrants".  who are the others?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Campion on January 09, 2022, 09:53:48 PM
Fr.Alphonsus 
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 10, 2022, 07:52:34 AM
Fr.Alphonsus
Much better choice than "fr" weist.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: pre1962 on January 10, 2022, 10:45:50 AM
WIEST is the correct spelling, not WEIST.

Any update on his priestly history? The who, where, and when of his ordination? That needs to be cleared up, I would think. Fr. Starbuck was attempting to get the truth about this when he was suddenly booted from the chapel and threatened. This is not good news. Not good at all. What's the problem with knowing the facts?


Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 10, 2022, 10:56:43 AM
What "other celebrants" took over Fr. Starbucks masses at OLHC?
I understand "fr" Weist, but Fr. Starbucks uses the plural "celebrants".  who are the others?
The one other person, as another poster mentioned, is SSPX priest Fr.Alphonsus. He is only temporary.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Jacinta on January 10, 2022, 12:36:04 PM
Much better choice than "fr" weist.

Not really. It's bad news if the SSPX takes over OLHC.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: pre1962 on January 10, 2022, 01:02:57 PM
Not really. It's bad news if the SSPX takes over OLHC.
At least they're ordained priests.

Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Carissima on January 10, 2022, 04:00:49 PM
Not really. It's bad news if the SSPX takes over OLHC.
This is it right here. The root of the problem here at OLHC. Sspx? Resistance? Pre-1955 Independent chapel? This place has a mix of people that attend here and now they are in disagreement over which way it should go? How is that ‘evil’ or ‘rot’ as some have claimed? Just because they disagree does not mean someone has to be labeled ‘evil’ or ‘bad’.


I can understand the struggle, I would not want certain priests coming to my chapel either. If it ever happened to us I might have to travel further somewhere else if I felt he was a danger to our Faith. But again that doesn’t make those people ‘evil’ because they choose who they want for their chapel. And I’m only saying those who actually own the place and decide which priest

Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Matthew on January 10, 2022, 04:20:16 PM
I thank God I wasn't born, planted, or transplanted to California.

Amen.

P.S. What a mess. The only place that sounds as bad as this location is: Cincinnati, OH. And perhaps Florida... because Florida.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Matthew on January 10, 2022, 09:33:13 PM
Pre -'55 Missal would be a more accurate title/description

Why?
I never understood that.

I've heard this many times, so I'm not just picking on you. But since you brought it up, I HAVE to know.

Pre-1962 would seem to be the MOST accurate. Please explain why that is not so.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 12, 2022, 02:47:48 AM
Subject:  The crucial, vital ongoing question that need to be answered is - Is "Fr." Michael Wiest a priest or an imposter and the consequences thereof:

Bottom line is this.! After all this time in seeking the truth about this man, Mr. Michael Wiese, and getting nowhere, I now feel and am calling that this man should be investigated and interrogated by the authorities, namely the Garden Grove Police!  My reasoning is this:  There is a term police and the authorities use when deciding to investigate or question a suspicious person for any kind of possible suspicious activity and that term is "probable cause." It is my opinion and I feel that there is enough "probable cause" here with Michael Wiese that he should be questioned by the police for the following reasons:

1 - Here is a man who desires to interact with children (alter boys) yet when asked to show his drivers license HE ADAMANTLY REFUSED TO DO SO!! Why?  Isn't that a "red flag?"  Shouldn't that bother the parents of Padre Pio Academy at OLHC? Shouldn't they be up in arms that this man refuses to show his license and chooses not to give ANY information regarding where he was as a priest before coming to OLHC? Where was he ordained? What bishop ordained him?  What seminary did he attend? THERE IS NO ABSOLUTELY INFORMATION AVAILABLE ABOUT THIS MAN AT ALL! Why isn't there a mass rebellion and outcry to find out the reasons why this man refuses to show docuмentation about himself (particularly from OLHC parents who have children in the school) and the OLHC faithful who are very smart educated traditionalists.  What is wrong here?

2. There does not exist nor is there ANY information on any background check services for an individual named "Michael Wiese." Check it yourself!  The is NO information and nothing comes up AT ALL with this man's name in the most powerful search engine GOOGLE! WHY?
3.  Why doesn't the "Board" want to know anything of the background of this man particularly for the reasons that if, in the end, it turns out that he is not a priest that they would be legally and grossly liable.  In addition, they would be considered an "accessory" for providing "cover" for this man for failing and refusing to do due diligence on him and deliberately blocking any effort to legitimately seek proof of his identity as a priest!

The mystery is that he says all the right things from pulpit thus appearing to be legitimate and he definitely knows his way around the alter and the Mass BUT he will not reveal where he was as a priest previously!  Doesn't this bother anyone else?  In addition, he has been grossly abusive, vicious, angry, uncharitable, back-biting and hateful towards Fr. Starbuck! Why is that? This does not integrate with the way he presents himself on the alter podium as a nice, gentle, all-wise, advise giving and charitable "priest"?

By the way, how would the faithful feel if it turns out this man indeed is not an ordained priest and that they have been going to confession to him and have been duped into believing that they have been receiving the Body & Blood of Christ only  find out that this man is a scam?  I know how I would feel.  I have gone to confession to him and thought I was receiving a valid sacraments from him.  If I found out that I was scammed,  I would be outraged and repulsed that I was duped by this man and the OLHC Board!  If that turned out to be the case, I feel a class action suit from all the faithful of OLHC to this man and "The Board" would be in order. Lastly, I ask that if anyone who is reading this thread and is a police officer or knows a person in authority can possibly respond and advise this tread if they feel that there is "probable cause" here.  Of course,only  God knows the truth and I am just expressing my opinions and legitimate questions here.

Lastly, If I am in fact wrong here and am shown the facts with solid evidence that I'm wrong, I would humbly and willingly acknowledged that to be the case and I would attempt to seek Christ-like harmony and peace to all involved. I just want the Truth!
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Matthew on January 12, 2022, 03:51:10 AM
As for their choice of chapel name --

I can only say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Apparently I made St. Dominic "cool".

Normally I wouldn't assume my reach is that large. And I realize St. Dominic was one of the founders of a major religious order. Nevertheless, how many St. Dominic's Chapels are there in Tradition, before the one started in Seguin in 2014?

Notice I got the domain name. That says a lot right there. And no I didn't buy it off anybody.

Not St Dominic's parish, or St. Dominic's church -- StDominicsChapel. What a *traditional chapel* named after St. Dominic would be called. And not .us, .org, .church or some other hard-to-remember extension. We're talking the famous, 1st choice .com suffix.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Are there any SSPX chapels named after St. Dominic? And isn't this Traditional chapel only the 2nd one in the United States to be named after that saint? Maybe there is a Sede chapel(s) named after him; I don't know. I'm not very familiar with the Sede world.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 12, 2022, 09:32:41 AM

... Correction.  On second thought I feel the terms "investigated and interrogated" is too strong a term.  "Simply question" is more appropriate.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 12, 2022, 11:17:36 AM
Subject:  The crucial, vital ongoing question that need to be answered is - Is "Fr." Michael Wiest a priest or an imposter and the consequences thereof:

Bottom line is this.! After all this time in seeking the truth about this man, Mr. Michael Wiese, and getting nowhere, I now feel and am calling that this man should be investigated and interrogated by the authorities, namely the Garden Grove Police!  My reasoning is this:  There is a term police and the authorities use when deciding to investigate or question a suspicious person for any kind of possible suspicious activity and that term is "probable cause." It is my opinion and I feel that there is enough "probable cause" here with Michael Wiese that he should be questioned by the police for the following reasons:

1 - Here is a man who desires to interact with children (alter boys) yet when asked to show his drivers license HE ADAMANTLY REFUSED TO DO SO!! Why?  Isn't that a "red flag?"  Shouldn't that bother the parents of Padre Pio Academy at OLHC? Shouldn't they be up in arms that this man refuses to show his license and chooses not to give ANY information regarding where he was as a priest before coming to OLHC? Where was he ordained? What bishop ordained him?  What seminary did he attend? THERE IS NO ABSOLUTELY INFORMATION AVAILABLE ABOUT THIS MAN AT ALL! Why isn't there a mass rebellion and outcry to find out the reasons why this man refuses to show docuмentation about himself (particularly from OLHC parents who have children in the school) and the OLHC faithful who are very smart educated traditionalists.  What is wrong here?

2. There does not exist nor is there ANY information on any background check services for an individual named "Michael Wiese." Check it yourself!  The is NO information and nothing comes up AT ALL with this man's name in the most powerful search engine GOOGLE! WHY?
3.  Why doesn't the "Board" want to know anything of the background of this man particularly for the reasons that if, in the end, it turns out that he is not a priest that they would be legally and grossly liable.  In addition, they would be considered an "accessory" for providing "cover" for this man for failing and refusing to do due diligence on him and deliberately blocking any effort to legitimately seek proof of his identity as a priest!

The mystery is that he says all the right things from pulpit thus appearing to be legitimate and he definitely knows his way around the alter and the Mass BUT he will not reveal where he was as a priest previously!  Doesn't this bother anyone else?  In addition, he has been grossly abusive, vicious, angry, uncharitable, back-biting and hateful towards Fr. Starbuck! Why is that? This does not integrate with the way he presents himself on the alter podium as a nice, gentle, all-wise, advise giving and charitable "priest"?

By the way, how would the faithful feel if it turns out this man indeed is not an ordained priest and that they have been going to confession to him and have been duped into believing that they have been receiving the Body & Blood of Christ only  find out that this man is a scam?  I know how I would feel.  I have gone to confession to him and thought I was receiving a valid sacraments from him.  If I found out that I was scammed,  I would be outraged and repulsed that I was duped by this man and the OLHC Board!  If that turned out to be the case, I feel a class action suit from all the faithful of OLHC to this man and "The Board" would be in order. Lastly, I ask that if anyone who is reading this thread and is a police officer or knows a person in authority can possibly respond and advise this tread if they feel that there is "probable cause" here.  Of course,only  God knows the truth and I am just expressing my opinions and legitimate questions here.

Lastly, If I am in fact wrong here and am shown the facts with solid evidence that I'm wrong, I would humbly and willingly acknowledged that to be the case and I would attempt to seek Christ-like harmony and peace to all involved. I just want the Truth!
the truth is, you may never know.
call the CA school board and tell them Padre Pio has not vetted an employee.  Maybe they will do something.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 12, 2022, 12:34:11 PM
I was browsing the internet namely the images of Chapels though out the world today.  I found these beautiful spiritual photos/images of "chapels."  Wouldn't it be a miracle and wonderful that some generous Catholic benefactor who believes in Father Starbuck's cause to only use the "pre-1962 Missal finds a beautiful chapel like one of these buildings for Father?  I'm just dreaming... Wouldn't it be beautiful to see Father say Mass in one of these beautiful chapels?

Of course, in the meantime, we have a beautiful chapel now where Father is saying Mass and... word about what happened to Father is getting out!   Attendance is rapidly growing each week.  The first week there were 45 Traditional Catholics who attended Father's first Mass.  Last Sunday there were 95 present at both Masses and this Sunday I expect much more.  And... the wonderful thing is that Father hears confession before each Mass!

Now... here is the link and the beautiful images of St. Michael's chapels throughout the world.

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Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 12, 2022, 12:46:26 PM
Congratulations!  This is good news. 
This turned out to be a blessing from God for you all, Cera.  

Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SolHero on January 12, 2022, 01:06:21 PM
Wouldn't it be beautiful to see Father say Mass in one of these beautiful chapels?
That would be wonderful! We need something like this in central Orange County. Traditional chapels or churches that offer the TLM in this area are either by the coast or north towards the San Gabriel mountains.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 12, 2022, 10:32:59 PM

                                                              Bulletin - St. Dominic's Chapel


As noted here in my previous posts, the interest, devotion and love shown to Father at St. Dominic's Chapel has been manifested by the full capacity attendance of all the Masses last Sunday .  Because of the demand and capacity attendance at all the Masses last week, Father has now agreed to have a 3rd Mass at 12:00 p.m. this Sunday January 16th.  I recommend coming early as seating is quickly filled.  In addition, the rosary will be said before each Mass AND Father Starbuck will hear confessions before all Masses.

The Mass schedule for January 14 - 16th is as follows:

Friday: at 8:30 a.m.
Saturday: 8:30 a.m.
Sunday (now 3 Masses)
7:30 a.m., 9:30 a.m. & 12:00 p.m. (noon)*

*And Again, there is confession before each Mass.

Father Starbuck will be waiting outside the chapel for confessions before EACH Mass. Father Starbuck will be doing all three Masses and all confessions by himself!  I'm sure after the 3rd Mass Sunday, Father will be quite exhausted!  Please pray for Father Starbuck that God will strengthen him. I also humbly ask that we examine our conscious and show our appreciation and heart-felt gratitude in supporting Father Starbuck in his time of need for the Sacrifices he is making to God and... for us.  Thank you.





Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 13, 2022, 01:36:47 PM
                                                            Bulletin - St. Dominic's Chapel


As noted here in my previous posts, the interest, devotion and love shown to Father at St. Dominic's Chapel has been manifested by the full capacity attendance of all the Masses last Sunday .  Because of the demand and capacity attendance at all the Masses last week, Father has now agreed to have a 3rd Mass at 12:00 p.m. this Sunday January 16th.  I recommend coming early as seating is quickly filled.  In addition, the rosary will be said before each Mass AND Father Starbuck will hear confessions before all Masses.

The Mass schedule for January 14 - 16th is as follows:

Friday: at 8:30 a.m.
Saturday: 8:30 a.m.
Sunday (now 3 Masses)
7:30 a.m., 9:30 a.m. & 12:00 p.m. (noon)*

*And Again, there is confession before each Mass.

Father Starbuck will be waiting outside the chapel for confessions before EACH Mass. Father Starbuck will be doing all three Masses and all confessions by himself!  I'm sure after the 3rd Mass Sunday, Father will be quite exhausted!  Please pray for Father Starbuck that God will strengthen him. I also humbly ask that we examine our conscious and show our appreciation and heart-felt gratitude in supporting Father Starbuck in his time of need for the Sacrifices he is making to God and... for us.  Thank you.
Deo Gratias!
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 13, 2022, 07:45:47 PM
                                                            Bulletin - St. Dominic's Chapel


As noted here in my previous posts, the interest, devotion and love shown to Father at St. Dominic's Chapel has been manifested by the full capacity attendance of all the Masses last Sunday .  Because of the demand and capacity attendance at all the Masses last week, Father has now agreed to have a 3rd Mass at 12:00 p.m. this Sunday January 16th.  I recommend coming early as seating is quickly filled.  In addition, the rosary will be said before each Mass AND Father Starbuck will hear confessions before all Masses.

The Mass schedule for January 14 - 16th is as follows:

Friday: at 8:30 a.m.
Saturday: 8:30 a.m.
Sunday (now 3 Masses)
7:30 a.m., 9:30 a.m. & 12:00 p.m. (noon)*

*And Again, there is confession before each Mass.

Father Starbuck will be waiting outside the chapel for confessions before EACH Mass. Father Starbuck will be doing all three Masses and all confessions by himself!  I'm sure after the 3rd Mass Sunday, Father will be quite exhausted!  Please pray for Father Starbuck that God will strengthen him. I also humbly ask that we examine our conscious and show our appreciation and heart-felt gratitude in supporting Father Starbuck in his time of need for the Sacrifices he is making to God and... for us.  Thank you.
where is father getting the energy for all this?
God is clearly taking care of His Faithful.
BtW, who is Fr. Starbucks superior?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: pre1962 on January 14, 2022, 10:02:32 AM
Fr. Starbuck is an independent priest so there's no "superior". There's no bishop. I believe he was originally ordained as a Dominican.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 14, 2022, 10:27:19 AM
Fr. Starbuck is an independent priest so there's no "superior". There's no bishop. I believe he was originally ordained as a Dominican.
so where does he get holy oils?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 16, 2022, 01:33:56 AM
so where does he get holy oils?
where does he get holy oils?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 16, 2022, 10:40:24 AM
where does he get holy oils?
Probably from the same source that Father Perez obtained the specific holy oils which must be blessed by a bishop. That would be the same source where our children were confirmed by a bishop.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Carissima on January 16, 2022, 02:25:05 PM
Probably from the same source that Father Perez obtained the specific holy oils which must be blessed by a bishop. That would be the same source where our children were confirmed by a bishop.
Does anyone know which bishop Fr Perez was working with? Was he close to Fr. Pfeiffer, or was it the board choosing to work with him recently?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Thorn on January 16, 2022, 06:17:42 PM
Since Fr. Perez used the SSPX for Confirmation, I would think that that's where he got the holy oils.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 16, 2022, 06:31:39 PM
Since Fr. Perez used the SSPX for Confirmation, I would think that that's where he got the holy oils.
That is what I suspect, too.
Has anyone asked Fr. Starbuck?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 16, 2022, 06:49:30 PM
Does anyone know which bishop Fr Perez was working with? Was he close to Fr. Pfeiffer, or was it the board choosing to work with him recently?
Considering Fr. Perez called Pfeiffer a "Fr/b", I strongly doubt Fr. Perez would accept holy oils from any in the same lineage.

Fr. Perez did not, personally, like Pfeiffer and would have preferred no contact with him.

when did the board work with Pfeiffer?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 17, 2022, 10:36:07 AM
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Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 18, 2022, 07:23:50 AM
Does anyone know which bishop Fr Perez was working with? Was he close to Fr. Pfeiffer, or was it the board choosing to work with him recently?
When did the board work with Fr/b Pfeiffer?
I REALLY hope they are not considering bring that evil to OLHC.  Pfeiffer's ilk will completely destroy it and all who participate.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Thorn on January 18, 2022, 11:49:40 AM
Carissima, where on earth did you get the idea that the board was working with Pfeiffer?  So one 'priest' from Pfeifferville said a Mass there & you interpreted it as "working" with them?  I don't know how he came to say Mass - if he was invited or just came on his own since he did go to OLHC before becoming a "priest" at Pfeifferville.       That place is bad enough without making things up.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Carissima on January 18, 2022, 11:50:15 AM
When did the board work with Fr/b Pfeiffer?
I REALLY hope they are not considering bring that evil to OLHC.  Pfeiffer's ilk will completely destroy it and all who participate.
Is Mr Croisette not one of Fr Pfeiffer’s priests? I remember reading something about him here in these threads, if I am mistaken I apologize. 
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Carissima on January 18, 2022, 12:06:39 PM
Carissima, where on earth did you get the idea that the board was working with Pfeiffer?  So one 'priest' from Pfeifferville said a Mass there & you interpreted it as "working" with them?  I don't know how he came to say Mass - if he was invited or just came on his own since he did go to OLHC before becoming a "priest" at Pfeifferville.      That place is bad enough without making things up.
I didn’t make anything up I asked a question to clarify. Fr Pfeiffer has been known for setting up missions in the same area where priests are already saying Masses. Forgive my ignorance I don’t live in the area but have my own concerns for a reason. 
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: LeDeg on January 18, 2022, 01:01:58 PM
Since Fr. Perez used the SSPX for Confirmation, I would think that that's where he got the holy oils.
Last year, Fr Perez sent his parishioners to Fr Burfitt's chapel in Arcadia for Confirmation. There were at least as many that received from OLHC as there was as there was from the SSPX.


As a side note, later in the year, Fr Burfitt got wind of Fr Pfeiffer (or someone associated with him) being at OLHC and an event that parishioners at Our Lady of the Angels (Arcadia) asked Fr Burfitt about attending. Fr Burfitt forbade anyone under his charge attending.

Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Thorn on January 18, 2022, 03:43:31 PM
Thanks for clarifying, Le Deg.  Sorry for jumping on you, Carissima - I didn't know about the event with 'Fr.' Pfeiffer.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 19, 2022, 07:15:19 AM
Last year, Fr Perez sent his parishioners to Fr Burfitt's chapel in Arcadia for Confirmation. There were at least as many that received from OLHC as there was as there was from the SSPX.


As a side note, later in the year, Fr Burfitt got wind of Fr Pfeiffer (or someone associated with him) being at OLHC and an event that parishioners at Our Lady of the Angels (Arcadia) asked Fr Burfitt about attending. Fr Burfitt forbade anyone under his charge attending.
What "event"?

Since Croisette's parents live in the area, they attended OLHC pretty regularly until their son went to pfeifferville, were heavy contributors of both OLHC and then pfeifferville, that they run the st. philomena foundation in CA, and that Pfeiffer encourages young men under his charge to be public and shocking, I am not surprised Croisette somehow said a daily "mass" at OLHC once or would find his way into some event.

God bless Fr. Burfitt for advising the Faithful to stay clear of anyone associated with pfeifferville.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 20, 2022, 06:15:32 AM



As noted here in my previous posts, the interest, devotion and love shown to Father at St. Dominic's Chapel has been manifested by the full capacity attendance of all the Masses last Sunday .  Because of the demand and capacity attendance at all the Masses last week, Father has now agreed to have a 3rd Mass at 12:00 p.m. this Sunday January 16th.  I recommend coming early as seating is quickly filled.  In addition, the rosary will be said before each Mass AND Father Starbuck will hear confessions before all Masses.

The Mass schedule for January 14 - 16th is as follows:

Friday: at 8:30 a.m.
Saturday: 8:30 a.m.
Sunday (now 3 Masses)
7:30 a.m., 9:30 a.m. & 12:00 p.m. (noon)*

*And Again, there is confession before each Mass.

Father Starbuck will be waiting outside the chapel for confessions before EACH Mass. Father Starbuck will be doing all three Masses and all confessions by himself!  I'm sure after the 3rd Mass Sunday, Father will be quite exhausted!  Please pray for Father Starbuck that God will strengthen him. I also humbly ask that we examine our conscious and show our appreciation and heart-felt gratitude in supporting Father Starbuck in his time of need for the Sacrifices he is making to God and... for us.  Thank you.






Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 20, 2022, 07:07:06 AM


As noted here in my previous posts, the interest, devotion and love shown to Father at St. Dominic's Chapel has been manifested by the full capacity attendance of all the Masses last Sunday .  Because of the demand and capacity attendance at all the Masses last week, Father has now agreed to have a 3rd Mass at 12:00 p.m. this Sunday January 16th.  I recommend coming early as seating is quickly filled.  In addition, the rosary will be said before each Mass AND Father Starbuck will hear confessions before all Masses.

The Mass schedule for January 14 - 16th is as follows:

Friday: at 8:30 a.m.
Saturday: 8:30 a.m.
Sunday (now 3 Masses)
7:30 a.m., 9:30 a.m. & 12:00 p.m. (noon)*

*And Again, there is confession before each Mass.

Father Starbuck will be waiting outside the chapel for confessions before EACH Mass. Father Starbuck will be doing all three Masses and all confessions by himself!  I'm sure after the 3rd Mass Sunday, Father will be quite exhausted!  Please pray for Father Starbuck that God will strengthen him. I also humbly ask that we examine our conscious and show our appreciation and heart-felt gratitude in supporting Father Starbuck in his time of need for the Sacrifices he is making to God and... for us.  Thank you.
God bless Fr. Starbuck with perseverance, good health, and wisdom.  I also pray Fr. Starbuck ask Sister A to join his new chapel and help her.  She is in dire need.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 20, 2022, 07:54:55 AM
                      
                       St. Dominic's Chapel Sunday Bulletin - January 23, 2022
                                     Father Cedrick Starbuck
                                                    


The interest, devotion and love shown to Father Starbuck at St. Dominic's Chapel has been manifested by the full capacity attendance at all Sunday's Masses.  It is recommended to come early as seating is quickly filled.  As always, the rosary is said before each Mass. As always, Father Starbuck will be hearing confessions before all Masses, continuing his 15-year tradition/history (previously at OLHC and now at St. Dominic's Chapel) of his continuing commitment and self-giving by hearing confessions before all Masses.

The Mass schedule for January 21st - January 23rd is as follows:

Friday: There is NO Mass this Friday due to parking restrictions
Saturday: 8:30 a.m.
Sunday:  7:30 a.m., 9:30 a.m. (NO 12:00 p.m. Mass today)

Please pray for Father Starbuck that God will strengthen him. We are asked to humbly examine our conscious and show our appreciation and gratitude to Father by supporting him in his time of financial need for the sacrifices he is making to God... for us. Please be generous.  Thank you.








Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 20, 2022, 10:19:06 AM
                       St. Dominic's Chapel Sunday Bulletin - January 23, 2022
                                                              (PAGE 2)


TO THOSE WHO WISH TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT FATHER STARBUCK HAD BEEN ABANDONED, BETRAYED AND LEFT "HIGH & DRY" WITHOUT FUNDS NEARLY OVERNIGHT  - TWO DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS - BY THOSE IN CHARGE ("THE BOARD" OF OUR LADY HELP OF CHRISTIANS) BY THEM ORDERING HIM (AFTER 15 YEARS OF FAITHFULLY SERVING OLHC BY HIM PERFORMING HIS PRIESTLY DUTIES, I.E., SAYING MASS, HEARING CONFESSIONS, BAPTISMS, ANOINTING OF THE SICK, FUNERALS, ETC. TO NOT COME ON THE PROPERTY OF OLHC AGAIN OR "WE WILL HAVE YOU ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING" BECAUSE OF THE CONTENTS OF A SERMON HE GAVE REGARDING THE VETTING OF "FR." MICHAEL WIEST AT OLHC!  THE COMPLETE SERMON CAN BE READ ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE THREAD " OLHC LAYPERSONS ATTEMPTING TO TAKE OVER CHAPEL CENSOR FR. STARBUCK'S SERMON" OLHC laypersons attempting to take over chapel CENSOR Fr. Starbuck's sermon (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/olhc-laypersons-attempting-to-take-over-chapel-censor-father-starbuck'es-sermon/msg794398/#msg794398)

GENEROUS FUNDS IS URGENTLY NEEDED FOR FATHER IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN HIMSELF GOING FORWARD IN HIS QUEST AND COMMITMENT TO FAITHFULLY SAY THE PRE1962 LATIN MASS AT HIS NEW ST. DOMINIC'S CHAPEL!

FATHER HAS MANY NEEDS FOR FUNDS WHICH INCLUDE FOOD AND VERY URGENTLY FATHER CANNOT AFFORD AND DOES NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE! THIS PUTS FATHER IN A VERY DIRE EMERGENCY SITUATION IF HE WERE TO (GOD FORBID) GET SICK!

AS THE AUTHOR OF THIS THREAD (SUPPORTFRSTARBUCK) FATHER HAS NO IDEA THAT I'M MAKING THIS PLEA FOR HIM. IN FACT, FATHER DOESN'T LIKE TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF, SO I'M HOPING FATHER DOES NOT GET DISAPPOINTED IN ME FOR THIS PLEA!

FATHER WROTE IN THE OTHER THREAD ABOVE:  "Additionally, I do know that the board is considering (interviewing) priests who celebrate Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal. I want to say that it has been our position that this Missal is theologically inadequate (if not modernistic). Fr. Perez vehemently rejected the 1962 Roman Missal. Moreover, it is likely to be problematic to our public celebration of Mass in this church." SO FATHER IS A FAITHFUL RARE PRIEST TO THE PRE1962 MISSAL. SO OUR LORD AND SAVIOR LOVES FATHER DEARLY FOR THIS "PASSION" HE SUFFERED AT THE HANDS OF OLHC CHAPEL THESE LAST FEW MONTHS.  HE GAVE OF HIS BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS.

I ASK THAT YOU LOOK INTO YOUR HEARTS AND FIND A WAY TO SUPPORT FATHER STARBUCK FINANCIALLY IN WHATEVER WAY GOD PROMPTS YOU BY THE INDWELLING OF THE HOLY GHOST WITHIN YOU.  GOD WILL REWARD YOU FOR HELPING THIS VERY HOLY HUMBLE PRIEST OF CHRIST!  HERE IS FATHER'S POST OFFICE BOX. THANK YOU.

FATHER CEDRICK STARBUCK
P.O.B. 427
TUSTIN, CA 92781



















I want to say that it has been our position that this Missal is theologically inadequate (if not modernistic). Fr. Perez vehemently rejected the 1962 Roman Missal. Moreover, it is likely to be problematic to our public celebration of Mass
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 20, 2022, 10:24:24 AM



ERROR!! SORRY ABOUT THE UNINTENDED VERY LARGE FONT OF PREVIOUS POST.  I DON'T KNOW HOW I DID THAT... SORRY
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Marion on January 20, 2022, 11:36:32 AM
SupportFrStarbuck, to avoid such fonts:


Before copying, click the first button in the first toolbar above the editor. (see red circle in the image below)


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Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: LeDeg on January 20, 2022, 03:40:12 PM
Fr Burfitt, as of late, has been at OLHC saying the Mass at OLHC. Fr Alphonsus Maria was there before him.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 21, 2022, 07:04:48 AM
Fr Burfitt, as of late, has been at OLHC saying the Mass at OLHC. Fr Alphonsus Maria was there before him.
God bless Fr. Burfitt.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 22, 2022, 08:08:16 PM
Looking forward to the "Live Stream" at St. Dominic's Chapel for Father Starbuck!  The world will now know how beautifully and reverently Father Starbuck says The Latin Mass!
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: LeDeg on January 22, 2022, 08:54:36 PM
Was Fr Starbuck ordained in the old rite? By a bishop who himself was consecrated in the old rite?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 24, 2022, 10:58:57 AM
St. Dominic's Chapel was packed for all three Masses yesterday, with overflow sitting in Father Starbuck's living room. Deo Gratisas
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 24, 2022, 04:21:23 PM
Thank you, Cera.  God love you for all your good work supporting Fr. Starbuck...


Thank you everyone for your prayers to Our Blessed Mother and the rosaries for Fr. Starbuck.  I believe God is responding to your prayers.

 As a quote from the touching beautiful movie "Field of Dreams" "If You Build It They Will Come." We are now seeing God's Hand over Father Starbuck and his ever-growing success in offering of the Holiest Pre1962 Latin Mass! There was full capacity worshipers at both Masses Sunday totally approximately 130 souls!!  Everyone was so gracious and loving to Father.


And now we look forward next week to the beginning of  the "Live Feed" at Mass.  More souls will now get to know Father as they watch his beautiful holy reverent manner he says The Latin Mass. Remember to please come early for confessions before each Mass.

Mass schedule for January 28th to 30th

January 28th - Friday 8:30 a.m.
January 29th - Saturday 8:30 a.m.
January 30th - Sunday 7:30 a.m. & 9:30 a.m.
Confessions before each Mass
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 25, 2022, 05:20:28 AM

Following is the important history and events that has lead to the establishment of TLM now at St. Dominic's Chapel.  Father Starbuck had been and was the faithful priest/associate who worked side by side for 15 years with Father Perez (pastor of Our Lady Help of Christians) providing all the sacraments, i.e., the Mass, confessions, Baptisms, funerals, etc. 

Herein is the reason Father Starbuck was not present for any of the 2021 Christmas Masses at OLHC. This is the actual sermon he gave at the 7:30 and 10:00 a.m. Masses Sunday December 19th at OLHC.

Before revealing the following sermon which was preached by Father Starbuck at OLHC, here is some shocking history of what occurred that morning of December 19th after the 7:30 a.m. Mass.  A "man" violently banged on the confession door after the 7:30 Mass while Father was hearing confessions is no other than the usher from the 7:30 a.m. Mass "Joel Iddings." MR. IDDINGS IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE OLHC SCHOOL BOARD!  He yelled at Father "YOU ARE NOT TO GIVE THAT SERMON AT THE 10:00 MASS!"  Father was freightened by this psychological "assault."*  Father felt fearful by this individual's brutal aggression against him.  Mr. Iddings then  ripped the mike out of its stand on the pulpit before the 10:00 a.m. Mass so Father would not be able to give this sermon again.  Bravely, Father gave it anyway.

Sources in the parish had informed me that this "man" then ordered Father Starbuck to not come on church property again(after December 19th) and to not attempt to say the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass at all the coming Christmas week!  In addition, Mr. Iddings then threatened Father Starbuck that if he were to come on the property of OLHC again, he would personally see to it that Father would be arrested for trespassing! The injustice and abusive brutality of this "man" who knew that Father Starbuck had faithfully served Our Lady Help of Christians Chapel for 15 years!  Then proceeding to threaten Father like this mere days before Christmas is the most cruel Un-Catholic like sacrilegious "Judas" act of betrayal to Father's faithful giving of himself to OLHC for 15 years!

*Assault Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

"Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an act intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact that causes apprehension of such contact in the victim.

"The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action (like viciously banging on the door of the confessional while Father is hearing confessions)  might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim.  Intent is an essential element of assault. In tort law, it can be specific intent—if the assailant intends to cause the apprehension of harmful or offensive contact in the victim—or general intent—if he or she intends to do the act that causes such apprehension. In addition, the intent element is satisfied if it is substantially certain, to a reasonable person, that the act will cause the result."
This despicable "man"  "Joel Iddings" sacrilegious act should be held accountable for his  "psychological assault" he perpetrated against Father Starbuck!

What makes this "psychological assault" even more treacherous is that Father is a gentle, Christ-like, charitable, loving and giving priest!

Lastly, why was the live-streamed 10 a.m. blacked out that day?  Who was responsible for the Mass being blacked out which was always live-streamed on You Tube. It was not that day! Who was responsible for that?


Here is the actual sermon Fr. Starbuck gave on Sunday 19 December 2021:

"I had a sermon prepared for this morning. However,there are some matters of business that do not allow ofdeferral. Therefore, I will present that sermon at a later time.

I have always tried to be truthful and to do the right thing. And sometimes I have paid a price for that. But please know this about me: I will always try to be honest with you and to fulfill my commitment to you as a public servant and as a priest. I want to begin by saying that these past five weeks of my life have been like no others. My vocation is not a job. It demands my every moment, and my every commitment, but this is especially so these past few weeks. And this on top of so much recent loss. I have given 15 years now of my life to this parish (a quarter of my life), and I was hoping to spend the remainder of my years here. I still hope that is possible. Over these years, I have rolled with the punches, & endured intricate/delicate, indeed,often complex situations. I have held my own. But when Fr. Perez died, there was only one person here who would rightfully have pastoral seniority to succeed him; and, like it or not, that is me!

But shortly after Fr. Perez’s death, a lay board rose up asserting its legal authority to appoint the next “pastor” of this parish. Iwant to be clear in stating that (w/o pointing a finger at them) this is Lutheranism pure and simple. Laypeople could never have the ecclesial power or jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor. That they may have a legal right is not the same as having a divine right. And while there are fine people on this board who engender my complete respect, the cohesion and leadership of this lay incorporation has been problematic. Nor do I see it being able to work. I did make it clear that I will not serve under another “pastor.” At the same time, I have wanted to  facilitate the transition that the church is undergoing at least through the end of the year. That has been my desire.

I do not take my marching orders from laypeople. And I cannot, as a priest, answer to competing voices on a lay board.
And moreover, as a priest, my credibility, leadership,and moral responsibility could be jeopardized if a situation not yet addressed in this parish is allowed to continue. My continuous requests for the vetting of priests serving in this parish have not & are not being met. We have had a couple of “priests” coming through here whose ordination I found questionable (based on information that later became available), and we have had at least one priest who had no business being here. Yes, mistakes were made (albeit, not on my part), and we should have learned from them.

Five years ago, I proposed to Fr. Perez the following specific requirements of any priest serving in this parish. And they are the following:

1. A criminal background check with ID, performed by a reputable third party, meeting state complacency. Also, the background check that I am requesting is not just a clearance check. It must consist of a positive trace of the person’s history."


*Editor's Note - Insert herein:

Re:  California Law - legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes

ARTICLE 2. Commission on Teacher Credentialing [44210 - 44239]  ( Heading of Article 2 amended by Stats. 1988, Ch. 1355, Sec. 2.5. )
44237.  (a) Every person, firm, association, partnership, or corporation offering or conducting private school instruction on the elementary or high school level shall require each applicant for employment in a position requiring contact with minor pupils to submit two sets of fingerprints prepared for submittal by the employer to the Department of Justice for the purpose of obtaining criminal record summary information from the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

*Continuation of Father's sermon:

"2. References.

3. A chronological work history.

4. Proof of ordination. And I want to know the ordaining bishop, seminary, and formational contacts. And just for your information, as a Dominican I underwent thorough background checks and continuous vetting over a period of seven years. And I lived under a virtual microscope 24 hours a day during that time. Moreover, my background is not hidden. My formation and ordination can be found on the Internet. They are public.

Of note, a request that I made of Fr. Perez last summer got dragged out, & and was never completed. And if I do not say something now, this situation will never be addressed. Let me ask a question. If you hired someone to work on your house, would you not want references? Or if you sent your children to a day care center, would you not want references? This is the house of God. Can we be any less responsible?

So here is what I am asking: A priest is a public person. Let me repeat that: A priest is a public person. Therefore, with due respect to all parties involved & a presumption of good will on the part of all, I am asking that the vetting of Fr. Wiest be completed, and that the results of that vetting process, including proof of ordination be made public.

The problem is that there is no public life of any Fr.Michael Wiest (I know this in part, not just because it cannot be found on the internet, but because I actually had a professional investigator call me one day to inform me of this. He was completely puzzled.) there is no public life of any Fr. Michael Wiest who was born in Chicago, ordained in Italy, and who served in any parish or diocese during these past 30 or so years.

There is no public record of ministry. There is no record of pastoral assignments. In short, there is no
such public person. And the fact that there is no such public person does not just amount to an absence of information, it amounts to a fact that demands explanation. It is a problem. And for this reason many in this parish question his ordination. For his own benefit we need to answer this  question. And we need to know the credentials of any priest serving in this parish. That is not asking too much.

Finally, while I do not acknowledge the ecclesial authority of a lay board, if one is to exist, it must be cohesive, charitable, and committed to the principles of the Catholic faith. And if the parishioners of this church are unhappy with this arrangement, perhaps they need to consider another option, perhaps the appointment of a new board which they feel represents them. But with all due respect, I just do not see this lay board being able to resolve effectively the problems this parish faces, or to find a clear path forward. And FYI, this lay board represents the interests of the school (PPA) and not of the church.

Additionally, I do know that the board is considering (interviewing) priests who celebrate Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal. I want to say that it has been our position that this Missal is theologically inadequate (if not modernistic). Fr. Perez vehemently rejected the 1962 Roman Missal. Moreover, it is likely to be problematic to our public celebration of Mass in this church. May I remind you of some of the problems of this Missal (?):

Revised rite of Holy Week. The famous writer Evelyn Waugh considered the revision of Holy Week to be an extremely disappointing loss.

The introduction of red on Good Friday and Communion of the faithful were arbitrary and capricious, and miss the fundamental (essential) point of the liturgy (i.e., the Mass of the Pre-Sanctified). It omits Second Confiteor.  It omits numerous octaves, and accordingly significant vigils.

It omits significant feasts, such as January 1: (the Feast of the Circuмcision). The theological
significance: Christ is the fulfillment of the law!

It introduces the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker (as a concession to the tenets of socialism)  It omits Commemorations.

The Passion Narrative during Holy Week is considered to be the Gospel reading. A theological fiction.  Feasts of important saints are haphazardly &arbitrarily moved, making it confusing even to a priest to follow this new ordo.  Feasts of historically momentous saints are suppressed.

St. Joseph is introduced to the Canon. Notably: This is the only change to the Canon since the time of St. Gregory the Great. Why such an introduction? And if this is admitted, then any change can be made to the Canon of the Mass. And the theological significance: St. Joseph was not a martyr, an exception to the list of those saints who appear in the Canon.

It is inadequate to argue that there are no doctrinal problems with this Missal, as does the SSPX. It is a deviation from the lex orandi, it is theologically inadequate, & it is misguided in numerous respects.

And even if you believe that the 1962 Roman Missal is okay, how could we serve the needs of this parish in requiring people to attend daily Mass with two missals, perhaps not knowing which priest is celebrating that day, not to mention the cost to those with less money?

And finally, finding a priest who observes and understands tradition in the same way as Fr. Perez and myself is a virtually impossible task. You will likely either encounter a sedevacantist or a modernist (who says: “Yes I celebrate the traditional ‘extraordinary form of the Roman rite’ in Latin.”, as if there could be such thing). So I advise a great note of caution in introducing any priest to this parish.

These are my concerns. You may respond as you see fitting & appropriate. However we proceed going forward, I call for civility & charity, for listening and understanding, and for a prayerful and thoughtful approach from all parties involved.

Finally, while it is not my custom, I am willing to make a transcript of these words available in a PDF file for circulation, so that my words are clear for everyone’s understanding, for those who are absent, and for the public record. I do not have the time to send this out as a response to every email inquiry. But if someone could assist me in making it available, I am glad to provide a PDF file for circulation."


Father Cedrick Starbuck
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 26, 2022, 04:27:29 AM
Father's Starbuck Revised Mass Schedule


Due to a scheduling conflict, I am unable to have the 8:30 a.m. Mass on Saturday morning in my chapel. I am terribly sorry about this. However, I will have Mass on Friday morning, as scheduled, and I am able to offer a first Friday Mass (the following week) in the afternoon at 4:00 PM. The following is my schedule for the coming week. After this, things should hopefully start to get into a more solid pattern.
 
January 28-30:
Friday: 8:30 a.m.
Saturday: No Mass
Sunday:     7:309:30 a.m.
 
First Week of February:
Wednesday: 8:30 a.m., Candlemas
Friday: 4:00 p.m., First Friday
Saturday: 8:30 a.m., First Saturday
Sunday: 7:309:30 a.m.


Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: JesusMaryJoseph on January 26, 2022, 01:34:17 PM
Message from The Board

Hi everyone  - Tonight, Wednesday, Jan. 26, the school board of PPA is having a meeting in Fr. Schell Hall at 7pm - it's regarding the passing of Monsignor, his wishes, and the priests at OLHC - This meeting was originally open to only the PPA parents (who were informed this past Monday) but now, per Jennifer Martin  and Marsha Odou, has been opened up to the whole parish - the board  is leaving it up to word-of-mouth, thus my message here - please pass along this message to any other Parishioners that you know and who might be interested in attending - Thank you!
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 26, 2022, 03:10:04 PM
Message from The Board

Hi everyone  - Tonight, Wednesday, Jan. 26, the school board of PPA is having a meeting in Fr. Schell Hall at 7pm - it's regarding the passing of Monsignor, his wishes, and the priests at OLHC - This meeting was originally open to only the PPA parents (who were informed this past Monday) but now, per Jennifer Martin  and Marsha Odou, has been opened up to the whole parish - the board  is leaving it up to word-of-mouth, thus my message here - please pass along this message to any other Parishioners that you know and who might be interested in attending - Thank you!
I wonder why this is not posted on the OLHC website.

https://www.ourladyhelpofchristians.us/
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 26, 2022, 10:16:22 PM
Cera - You wrote:  "I wonder why this is not posted on the OLHC website?"  I too wonder why?  AND also wonder why there was NO reasonable advance notice as to this meeting!  Makes for a convenient "going through the motions." "Word of mouth" is insufficient time for so serious a matter. Why did they give same day notice?   I'm wondering if they are going to read this so-called letter from Fr. Perez?  Doesn't prove anything in my opinion.  And here's why?

To the anonymous "We"

Point well taken (regarding repetition) .  However, we're dealing with a grave injustice here!  My last post dealt with NEW rumors/news related to this issue that there is some sort of "Letter" available with the OLHC "School Board."  My valid NEW post/commentary is relevant & appropriate to the topic of this thread and these new rumors.  What is your detached "anonymous/we" pompous investment in this matter?  Rather than superciliously acting like the thread police and monitoring people's comments, what relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed while posting here "anonymously?"

The following commentary IS relevant to the matter at hand.  "Judging by the conscienceless, cruel, base, unjust, and what I believe evil behavior of "The School Board" and their un-Catholic, uncharitable treatment of Fr. Starbuck , I do not trust nor do I believe in some dubious "hand-written" note purportedly written by Father Perez!  All of a sudden, we're supposed to believe that there is suddenly this magical "proof" letter  and that Father Perez turned his back and betrayed Fr. Starbuck's 15 years service at OLHC. I don't believe that Fr. Perez would have done such an injustice to Father Starbuck.

SO, I SAY -- PROVE IT BY SHOWING THE LETTER AND HAVING IT EXAMINED BY A HANDWRITING EXPERT!!

1)  By immediately publicly publishing the letter and fixing a hard copy to each OLHC bulletin for all the OLHC faithful to have in their possession!

2) By hiring an impartial, unbiased, legally notarized handwriting expert!  He should be given access to this purportedly "hand-written letter" and compare it to other established past known hand written examples of Fr. Perez's handwriting!

Like St. Thomas - I DON'T BELIEVE IT until I see it!  Judging by the school boards conscienceless, cruel & base behavior, why should I trust them? I believe they have broken "trust" with the OLHC faithfull!"



"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
For the things that are done by them in secret, it is a shame even to speak of.
But all things that are reproved, are made manifest by the light; for all that
is made manifest is light.
Wherefore he saith: Rise thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead:
and Christ shall enlighten thee."

Ephesians 5:11-14

Douay Rheims Version







Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 28, 2022, 02:21:51 PM
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on January 28, 2022, 03:23:29 PM
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.

It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)

Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)

Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.

Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.

And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.

At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.

P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.

For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
So Wiest is not a Catholic priest.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on January 30, 2022, 01:27:51 PM
So Wiest is not a Catholic priest.
No Wiest is not a Catholic priest.

Here is Father Starbuck's Mass this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tALgugGLsu4
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Donachie on January 30, 2022, 08:00:49 PM
When the Queen of England addresses the Parliament, she uses the refrain, "my government". As in "my government" will do this or that, etc., and on down the line she goes.

Some people I know worry about the government and so do I, but not too much. If the Queen of England can have a government, so can you, and, of course, a much better one: not the government of a heresiarch. Seriously, baptized and confirmed and with good faith and some good works constitutes a government wherever you are and a better one than the Unitty States gubbament or England's.

St. Paul says the saints shall judge the Earth. 1 Corinthians 6:2,3 Know you not that the saints shall judge this world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know you not that we shall judge angels? How much more things of this world?

St. Dominic and the rosary remind me of this, which is like "St. Dominic's government". The this-worldly ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic government is powerful and so forth, but St. Dominic's government is better and an entity higher. I like to think in terms of "St. Dominic's government", since the idea of government has such a powerful conditioning effect.

St. Dominic and his government way before Karl Rove talk shop or the Queen of England, etc.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Donachie on January 30, 2022, 09:09:21 PM
my posts have font size problems sometimes from cutting and pasting. sorry about that. i'll run it through a notepad first next time. endeavor to persevere and God bless George Washington and St. Dominic.

https://vulgate.org/
http://www.latinvulgate.com/
http://www.preces-latinae.org/index.htm

a few St. Dominic's government resources
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on January 30, 2022, 09:34:47 PM
Grace-filled beautiful blessings from God to  Fr. Starbuck today!  A magnificent successful day at Fr. Starbuck's St, Dominic's Chapel.  There were 50 souls at the 7:30 Mass and 65 souls at the 9:30 a.m. Mass.  Almost standing room only!  Father was so pleased.

In addition, today was the first day of the live "feed" on UTube of the Mass entitled "St. Dominic's Chapel (Fr. Cedrik Starbuck). It can be seen anytime now.  As of now, there are 307 views today! A wonderfully successful day for God's servant Fr. Starbuck!
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on February 06, 2022, 02:37:19 PM
St. Dominic's Chapel this morning, Mass said by Father Starbuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc-PLSzvmqE
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on February 14, 2022, 12:32:07 AM
God's grace has abundantly favored Father Starbuck today!  More and more souls are showing their love, loyalty and devotion to our beloved Father and his beautiful (pre-1962 Missal) Latin Mass.  God is giving the grace of discernment and truth to more and more souls in finding the truth regarding the injustice Father endured when he was forced out of OLHC after 15 years of unwavering faithful loyalty! I believe God will severely punish those individuals who deliberately willed and did hurt Father by their almost assault-like aggression to Father by casting him out with the threat of "having him arrested if he ever set foot on OLHC property again" mere days before Christmas as outlined in the earlier written blogs herein.

In any event, there were 75 souls at the 7:30 a.m. Mass at St. Dominic's Chapel today (Standing room only). There was 45 souls at the 9:30 a.m. and 45 souls at the 12:00 Masses.  Many confessions... Father is available for confession before all three Masses. A rarity indeed in all of Orange County's Catholic churches. Father is so generous and giving of his time and energy.  In addition, the rosary was recited to Our Blessed Mother before all Masses.

Anyone... I am wondering if there is any further news about "Fr." Wiest's presence at OLHC?  It seem that he has been feeling the heat from our efforts here at CatholicInfo.com and I heard that he is deliberately staying low key and is in a somewhat retreating mode saying Mass?? only at certain individual's homes but NOT at OLHC!  Is that true? Any news Anyone? 

IF it turns out to be true, why with all of the what appears to be a Fraud perpetrated by "Fr." Wiest as to his true identification, I don't feel he should be given the opportunity to simply "cut and run" now without seeing to it that there should be consequences if their was indeed any sort of Fraud perpetrated on the faithful of OLHC.  I also believe their should be consequences for "The Board" who (if true) provided "cover" for this man! AFTER ALL I WENT TO CONFESSION TO THIS MAN AND i BELIEVED I RECEIVED THE BODY & BLOOD OF JESUS FROM THIS MAN TO ONLY POSSIBLY MADE A FOOL OF.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on February 22, 2022, 02:24:54 PM
Tomorrow is day 54 of our 54-day Rosary Novena to Our Lady Mother of the Rosary for the protection and guidance of Father Starbuck and for the rot to be rooted out of the chapel. Thank you to all who joined us in this battle.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on February 25, 2022, 12:51:34 PM


Don't know if its true or not (correct me if I'm wrong), but the last word I've heard is that Wiest has been asked to leave by the OLHC board and he refuses to do so.  I understands he continues to stay at a place that is funded by OLHC faithful (Our money!). At this point, he is basically a shamed fraud/con man who is hunkered down in a place like a criminal on the run!

A triumphant victory for our dear Father Starbuck who was a victim and was abused by Wiest with the evil blessings of "the board" at OLHC.  A fraud has been perpetrated and Wiest and "the board" (particularly the individual who banged on the door terrorizing Father while he was in the confessional that Sunday morning should be penalized for their actions!).  There should be just consequences paid by Wiest, the Board and this despicable individual!  Wiest should not be given the chance of simply fleeing!  I believe the fraud he committed was is in some way a criminal act! Does anyone here have any further information or development about Wiest?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on February 27, 2022, 03:33:11 AM

If anyone feels that the Holy Ghost might prompt them accordingly, Father Starbuck is in need of a Baptismal Font!  I found one on Ebay for his new chapel at St. Dominics!   Father has not directed me to do this, but I thought I might try and surprise Father by asking those here who believe in Father's devotion/cause of saying the TLM (pre-1962 Missal) to please contribute in buying this beautiful used traditional Baptismal Font on Ebay!

As I said before, Father has many new expenses for St. Dominics and Father is struggling to keep up with the many ever-growing financial demands that he is trying to handle all by himself!  So, if you find it in your heart, continue to please generously help Father on Sundays as much as you can .  I will post a photo of the used Baptismal Font tomorrow.  It cost's $1,600 plus shipping and it is beautiful!

Checks MUST be made out to:
"Father Cedrik Starbuck"    NOT St. Dominic's Chapel.
P.O.B. 427
Tustin, CA 92781

Let's all (with God's abundant grace on Father) make St. Dominic's Chapel a beautiful example and success for the world to see in which we will be awarded by God for our devotion to Father Starbuck, the TLM (pre-1962 Missal!) and Our Blessed Mother! Thank you Cera for all you've done for Father and starting this thread.

God bless you all



 
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on March 01, 2022, 05:35:02 AM
                   St. Dominic's Catholic Chapel Bulletin
                                Father Cederik Starbuck
                    
New Hotline Number for Mass Schedule (714) 515-6735




Attendance at St. Dominic's  three Latin Masses said by Father Starbuck last Sunday, February 27th was wonderful.  There were approximately 45 souls at the 7:30 a.m. Mass, approximately 70 souls at the 9:30 a.m. Mass and approximately 40 souls at the 12:00 p.m. Mass.

Father Starbuck gave a wonderful sermon on charity.  Love of oneself and Love of one's neighbor.  How can we say that we love God when we refuse to do our best to love one's neighbor!  Very difficult in today's world.

RE: Baptismal Font

As I have previously noted here, Father Starbuck needs a used traditional baptismal font for St. Dominics and we want to surprise Farther when we find one.

As it turns out the baptismal font I found on Ebay did not work out!  I didn't see that there was embedded etchings/wording of some kind indicating that it had belonged to a Lutheran Church!  So, that would not be appropriate for St. Dominics's Chapel.

Please help St. Dominic's Chapel financially in our quest of purchasing and finding a beautiful traditional baptismal font for Father! I will post a photo of a possible baptismal font when its being considered for purchasing beforehand.

Checks can be made out to:

Father Cedrick Starbuck (NOT St. Dominic's Chapel)
P.O.B. 427
Tustin, CA 92781

God bless you all





Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on March 01, 2022, 05:51:42 AM
I'm very sorry for the accidental miscalculations in font size and spacing in previous posting :facepalm::confused:  God bless
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Ladislaus on March 01, 2022, 06:01:27 AM
Why is it that every single one of these lay-controlled chapels ends the same way?
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on March 01, 2022, 06:08:33 AM
                     Sorry - for this reposting. This site caused a glitch and posted (??)
                      this before I had a chance to proof it!??  I'll do better next time...               
                  St. Dominic's Catholic Chapel Bulletin
                      Father Cederik Starbuck
                    
                       New Hotline Number for Mass Schedule (714) 515-6735

Attendance at St. Dominic's  three Latin Masses said by Father Starbuck last Sunday, February 27th was wonderful.  There were approximately 45 souls at the 7:30 a.m. Mass, approximately 70 souls at the 9:30 a.m. Mass and approximately 40 souls at the 12:00 p.m. Mass.

Father Starbuck gave a wonderful sermon on charity.  Love of oneself and Love of one's neighbor.  How can we say that we love God when we refuse to do our best to love one's neighbor!  Very difficult in today's world.

RE: Baptismal Font

As I have previously noted here, Father Starbuck needs a used traditional baptismal font for St. Dominics and we want to surprise Farther when we find one.

As it turns out the baptismal font I found on Ebay did not work out!  I didn't see that there was embedded etchings/wording of some kind indicating that it had belonged to a Lutheran Church!  So, that would not be appropriate for St. Dominic's Chapel.

As Father is struggling to keep up with the growing demands of this new chapel all by himself, please generously help Father and St. Dominic's Chapel financially in our Sunday collection as well as our quest of purchasing and finding a beautiful traditional baptismal font for Father! I will post a photo of a possible baptismal font when its being considered for purchasing beforehand.

Checks can be made out to:

Father Cedrick Starbuck      (NOT St. Dominic's Chapel)
P.O.B. 427
Tustin, CA 92781
(714) 673-5552

God bless you all



Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SolHero on March 01, 2022, 07:32:55 PM
I found this place which has lots of items and most (if not all) are pre-vatican II

I got a quote a few weeks back and this font was $950 but needs to be refinished:
http://www.usedchurchitems.com/images/albums/Baptismals/rc_thumbs/thumb_Catholic-Church-Baptismal-8.jpg

This other font is $1400
http://www.usedchurchitems.com/images/albums/Baptismals/rc_thumbs/thumb_Catholic-Church-Vintage-7.jpg


Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Anne Evergreen on March 01, 2022, 08:40:55 PM

Don't know if its true or not (correct me if I'm wrong), but the last word I've heard is that Wiest has been asked to leave by the OLHC board and he refuses to do so.  I understands he continues to stay at a place that is funded by OLHC faithful (Our money!). At this point, he is basically a shamed fraud/con man who is hunkered down in a place like a criminal on the run!

A triumphant victory for our dear Father Starbuck who was a victim and was abused by Wiest with the evil blessings of "the board" at OLHC.  A fraud has been perpetrated and Wiest and "the board" (particularly the individual who banged on the door terrorizing Father while he was in the confessional that Sunday morning should be penalized for their actions!).  There should be just consequences paid by Wiest, the Board and this despicable individual!  Wiest should not be given the chance of simply fleeing!  I believe the fraud he committed was is in some way a criminal act! Does anyone here have any further information or development about Wiest?
If you have legitimate proof he is not a Priest, then there's an easy enough solution to any unwanted "guest." Take multiple photographs of the individual, his car, belongings, etc., and docuмent everything for future reference. Always have video surveillance with correct dates and times, and CLEAR images of things.

Recruit your local Sheriff for help and ask the person simply to leave, and if he refuses, then give him 24 hours to basically get out, and get lost, or you will be calling additional authorities (which should have been done already). Exactly 24 hours and one minute later, dump his stuff on the curb if he is not gone on his own accord. 

Change the locks at first opportunity. Cut your losses if you just want to be rid of him, or get a lawyer if there are grounds to sue.

If he is not a Priest, then I would treat this man just like I would tell any wife that happened to catch her husband cheating on her--toss his crap to the curb and change the locks. Buh-bye! Divorce lawyer would be next...(Yes, if a trad Catholic man cheated on his wife, he can still pay the bills and support her and any children, but he lost his place of living with her). She would still be married, but she wouldn't have to put up with the louse any longer.

If there isn't any written lease for housing arrangements, then you basically have a squatter on your hands by the sounds of it. The longer he is allowed to stay, the worse it will be...

Go to the media if you want them to investigate things. NBC has a TV program called "Dateline." Look it up. It's great and has been going for years. They will possibly investigate things for you and put more heat on the person IF he is indeed a fraud or not.

Otherwise? Whoever has the keys, has the castle. Keep that in mind. He could just as easily change the locks on the actual homeowners! 

Btw, did anyone ever contact the SSPX Headquarters in KC like I suggested earlier? (Because if he isn't really a Priest, he was using the same altar that the SSPX Priest was--Father Alphonsus). Anyway...
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Anne Evergreen on March 01, 2022, 08:45:49 PM
I found this place which has lots of items and most (if not all) are pre-vatican II

I got a quote a few weeks back and this font was $950 but needs to be refinished:
http://www.usedchurchitems.com/images/albums/Baptismals/rc_thumbs/thumb_Catholic-Church-Baptismal-8.jpg

This other font is $1400
http://www.usedchurchitems.com/images/albums/Baptismals/rc_thumbs/thumb_Catholic-Church-Vintage-7.jpg
Oh the second one is amazing! Wow! That looks like it has some Italian design elements. Gorgeous and unique! The first one looks more modern and has less character somehow.

I hope they find one that will be suitable and loved, whatever it turns out to be. Nice work, Sol! :-)
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on March 02, 2022, 07:14:19 AM
                    Sorry - for this reposting. This site caused a glitch and posted (??)
                      this before I had a chance to proof it!??  I'll do better next time...             
                  St. Dominic's Catholic Chapel Bulletin
                      Father Cederik Starbuck
                   
                      New Hotline Number for Mass Schedule (714) 515-6735

Attendance at St. Dominic's  three Latin Masses said by Father Starbuck last Sunday, February 27th was wonderful.  There were approximately 45 souls at the 7:30 a.m. Mass, approximately 70 souls at the 9:30 a.m. Mass and approximately 40 souls at the 12:00 p.m. Mass.

Father Starbuck gave a wonderful sermon on charity.  Love of oneself and Love of one's neighbor.  How can we say that we love God when we refuse to do our best to love one's neighbor!  Very difficult in today's world.

RE: Baptismal Font

As I have previously noted here, Father Starbuck needs a used traditional baptismal font for St. Dominics and we want to surprise Farther when we find one.

As it turns out the baptismal font I found on Ebay did not work out!  I didn't see that there was embedded etchings/wording of some kind indicating that it had belonged to a Lutheran Church!  So, that would not be appropriate for St. Dominic's Chapel.

As Father is struggling to keep up with the growing demands of this new chapel all by himself, please generously help Father and St. Dominic's Chapel financially in our Sunday collection as well as our quest of purchasing and finding a beautiful traditional baptismal font for Father! I will post a photo of a possible baptismal font when its being considered for purchasing beforehand.

Checks can be made out to:

Father Cedrick Starbuck      (NOT St. Dominic's Chapel)
P.O.B. 427
Tustin, CA 92781
(714) 673-5552

God bless you all

How curious of you to post on both threads for a while, then solely on the other thread, but when I pointed out the following, you switched back to this thread:

"How can you say Fr. Starbuck had no fault in sister's death when, by your own mouth, you "know nothing of the specifics and conditions of sister's death"? 

"I am not suggesting that Fr. Starbuck had any fault in her death.  No one has.

"But the facts remain:
- a nun at OLHC went days and nights without food, water or housing, in full knowledge of Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Perez, and the laity.
- sister was not allowed to live in a three bedroom house with one other nun who was supported by OLHC.
- Fr. Starbuck told sister the police would be called to arrest her if she entered OLHC property.

"I do not deny that Fr. Starbuck is a good and holy priest, but the facts of his actions remain."

Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on March 16, 2022, 08:45:12 PM
Hey!  So what's your point here epiphany? (https://www.cathinfo.com/profile/epiphany/)


Bottom line is Fr. Starbuck acted in accordance with Fr. Perez's directive and orders!    Obviously, you don't fully know what Fr. Perez and Fr. Starbuck's reasonings and conclusions were and why they came to the decisions they came to??  You are insidiously implying and hinting that that IN SOME WAY a wrong was committed by Fr. Starbuck.  You obviously don't know Fr. Starbuck for if you did you would give him the benefit of doubt because of his good will to others, his holy closeness to God, i.e., his character, warmth, gentleness, generosity and loving concern for others. This was a complicated problem dealing with a soul with mental issues!

I remember I did at times help sister but it always ended up with her creating some sort of disturbance.  It became impossible to deal with her mental illness any further. (May God rest her poor dear tortured soul - poor thing).

There was  numerous times over the years when she disturbingly imposed herself on many of the faithful.  You are "virtue signalling" here and making yourself appear as some sort of superior pontifical judge of high moral character pointing out what YOU perceive as what is right or wrong behavior according to your supercilious judgements of others.  What's your point?

In the end, we (I) are/am all poor sinners, pal.  Try practicing some humility here with the prayer "Oh God, be merciful to me ... a sinner."
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on March 17, 2022, 10:48:51 AM
Hey!  So what's your point here epiphany? (https://www.cathinfo.com/profile/epiphany/)


Bottom line is Fr. Starbuck acted in accordance with Fr. Perez's directive and orders!    Obviously, you don't fully know what Fr. Perez and Fr. Starbuck's reasonings and conclusions were and why they came to the decisions they came to??  You are insidiously implying and hinting that that IN SOME WAY a wrong was committed by Fr. Starbuck.  You obviously don't know Fr. Starbuck for if you did you would give him the benefit of doubt because of his good will to others, his holy closeness to God, i.e., his character, warmth, gentleness, generosity and loving concern for others. This was a complicated problem dealing with a soul with mental issues!

I remember I did at times help sister but it always ended up with her creating some sort of disturbance.  It became impossible to deal with her mental illness any further. (May God rest her poor dear tortured soul - poor thing).

There was  numerous times over the years when she disturbingly imposed herself on many of the faithful.  You are "virtue signalling" here and making yourself appear as some sort of superior pontifical judge of high moral character pointing out what YOU perceive as what is right or wrong behavior according to your supercilious judgements of others.  What's your point?

In the end, we (I) are/am all poor sinners, pal.  Try practicing some humility here with the prayer "Oh God, be merciful to me ... a sinner."
You present Fr. Starbuck as a saint.  My point is to show that he isn't.  Neither was Fr. Perez.  And the chapel as a whole should hang their heads in shame for not helping a poor nun, whether you thought she was a nun or not.  She was poor and destitute soul who needed food, water, and shelter, and you all turned your backs on her.  Worse yet, Fr. Starbuck told her if she set foot on the property the police would be called.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on March 17, 2022, 11:56:04 AM
Epiphany, if anyone should be handing your head in shame it is you my dear. 

Why do you persist in your calumny against a good and faithful priest? You have previously said you were a member of OLHC. If that is true:
1. You would know the truth of the situation, which you obviously do not.
2. You would have had an opportunity to help Debbie yourself.
3. Why did you not do so?

The facts:
Debbie was a layperson who did not attempt to become a nun until she was in her 60s. She told me that she had a "high-power career in New York" and "shopped only at the best department stores" and "bought only designer suits." She also had two grown sons at the time she arrived at OLHC. Why did her own family not assist her? Why did Debbie’s family reject the offer of a funeral Mass for her when it was offered to her at no cost?

Debbie  was never a member of a religious order, although she fantasized about becoming one. Over the years she would take different religious names. During the time I knew her, she told me she had found an order in France who would take a laywoman in her 60s with health issues. Six or so months later she returned (with a different sister name) and told me it did not work out. Years later she told me she had found an order in Ecuador who would take a laywoman in her 60s with even more severe health issues. She told me to write to her in invisible ink because the police were watching her. At that time I realized that she had both physical and mental health issues. Several months later she returned (with a different sister name) and again said "it didn't work out."

At a time in my life when I was seriously ill and barely able to care for myself, she wanted to move in with me and my husband who was my overburdened caregiver. I realized how out of touch with reality she was. When she persisted, I realized what an entitled perspective she had.

Over a period of time, numerous members of the chapel took her in and again and again "it did not work out." Out of Christian charity and not wanting to gossip, no one said what the problems with her were. However over the years it became known that she had severe emotional and mental problems, she was demanding, she expected to be waited on, and she caused explosive scenes in each home she was in.

At the time Debbie passed away she attended Mass at San Juan Capistrano Mission. Why are you not attacking them? Why do you persist in lying about Father Starbuck?

Father Starbuck is a charitable, humble priest with the heart of a servant. When Father Perez received complaint after complaint regarding Debbie begging before and after all Sunday Masses, he told her to stop begging. She refused to stop. She continued to beg and the  complaints about her begging continued, along with complaints about her stealing items from the chapel bookstore.

Father Perez he did what he always did (just as he did when the school board refused to vet Mr. Wiest and instructed Father Starbuck to take up the problem with the school board). He passed the problem onto dear Father Starbuck. Father Perez instructed Father Starbuck to tell Debbie to leave the chapel.

Your lie about Father Starbuck telling her she’d be arrested if she came on OLHC property is a new embellishment in your carefully crafted collage of lies. It’s obvious where you got that misrepresentation. In fact it was the SCHOOL board who wanted to grasp control of the chapel who circulated lies and calumny against Father Starbuck because he was in their way. They are the ones who told dear Father Starbuck two days before Christmas that he would not be saying any of the Christmas Masses, that he was locked out of his office, and that if he set foot on THEIR property, he would be arrested.

He offered to say her funeral Mass with no donation as he has previously done for those without funds. Her family was not interested in his kind offer.

Epiphany, for the sake of your own soul, stop the calumny against a good and faithful priest.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on March 17, 2022, 12:27:39 PM
Epiphany, if anyone should be handing your head in shame it is you my dear. 

Why do you persist in your calumny against a good and faithful priest? You have previously said you were a member of OLHC. If that is true:
1. You would know the truth of the situation, which you obviously do not.
2. You would have had an opportunity to help Debbie yourself.
3. Why did you not do so?

The facts:
Debbie was a layperson who did not attempt to become a nun until she was in her 60s. She told me that she had a "high-power career in New York" and "shopped only at the best department stores" and "bought only designer suits." She also had two grown sons at the time she arrived at OLHC. Why did her own family not assist her? Why did Debbie’s family reject the offer of a funeral Mass for her when it was offered to her at no cost?

Debbie  was never a member of a religious order, although she fantasized about becoming one. Over the years she would take different religious names. During the time I knew her, she told me she had found an order in France who would take a laywoman in her 60s with health issues. Six or so months later she returned (with a different sister name) and told me it did not work out. Years later she told me she had found an order in Ecuador who would take a laywoman in her 60s with even more severe health issues. She told me to write to her in invisible ink because the police were watching her. At that time I realized that she had both physical and mental health issues. Several months later she returned (with a different sister name) and again said "it didn't work out."

At a time in my life when I was seriously ill and barely able to care for myself, she wanted to move in with me and my husband who was my overburdened caregiver. I realized how out of touch with reality she was. When she persisted, I realized what an entitled perspective she had.

Over a period of time, numerous members of the chapel took her in and again and again "it did not work out." Out of Christian charity and not wanting to gossip, no one said what the problems with her were. However over the years it became known that she had severe emotional and mental problems, she was demanding, she expected to be waited on, and she caused explosive scenes in each home she was in.

At the time Debbie passed away she attended Mass at San Juan Capistrano Mission. Why are you not attacking them? Why do you persist in lying about Father Starbuck?

Father Starbuck is a charitable, humble priest with the heart of a servant. When Father Perez received complaint after complaint regarding Debbie begging before and after all Sunday Masses, he told her to stop begging. She refused to stop. She continued to beg and the  complaints about her begging continued, along with complaints about her stealing items from the chapel bookstore.

Father Perez he did what he always did (just as he did when the school board refused to vet Mr. Wiest and instructed Father Starbuck to take up the problem with the school board). He passed the problem onto dear Father Starbuck. Father Perez instructed Father Starbuck to tell Debbie to leave the chapel.

Your lie about Father Starbuck telling her she’d be arrested if she came on OLHC property is a new embellishment in your carefully crafted collage of lies. It’s obvious where you got that misrepresentation. In fact it was the SCHOOL board who wanted to grasp control of the chapel who circulated lies and calumny against Father Starbuck because he was in their way. They are the ones who told dear Father Starbuck two days before Christmas that he would not be saying any of the Christmas Masses, that he was locked out of his office, and that if he set foot on THEIR property, he would be arrested.

He offered to say her funeral Mass with no donation as he has previously done for those without funds. Her family was not interested in his kind offer.

Epiphany, for the sake of your own soul, stop the calumny against a good and faithful priest.
Wrong.

I was replying to SupportFrStarbuck.

Fr. Sretenovic witnessed sister's final vows.  She died a nun.  Full stop.

I never said fr. Starbuck told sister she would be arrested if she came on OLHC property.  Fr. Starbuck has no authority to have sister arrested.  That would be up to the policeman who arrived.

Fr. Starbuck told sister if she set foot on chapel property that the police would be called.

You and Meg have a lot in common when it comes to embellishing, making assumptions, extrapolating, and putting words into my mouth.

And now you call me a liar...

My family and I were members of OHLC since long before Fr. Starbuck arrived, and even long before Fr. Perez arrived.  And I said I helped sister, probably more than I financially should have.

Go bake a cake, Cera.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on March 17, 2022, 01:08:08 PM
Go bake a cake, Cera.
I would, but I'm giving up sweets for Lent.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on March 17, 2022, 08:55:56 PM
Valet your high horse, Epiphany!
You're ticking me off!!

You need to go to confession for calumny and detraction against a holy priest!  God will not be mocked.  Obviously, no words can convince you to back off your proud, irreverent disposition and manner towards a priest.  You should hang your head in shame, pal.  IMO, I don't sense a Catholic presence of Christ in your judgemental disposition, lack of charity, compassion - and Pharisee-like demeanor..  .  "Oh, God I'm glad I'm not like this publican." You're not worth another word of intelligent Catholic discourse.  End of Story!

Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: SupportFrStarbuck on March 17, 2022, 09:25:41 PM

Pope to "Consecrate Russia" to Immaculate Heart of Mary (Here We Go Again)
Written by  Michael J. Matt | Editor (https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/headline-news-around-the-world/itemlist/user/580-michaeljmatt|editor)





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Thanks to Vatican journalist Diane Montagna for once again jumping on an important story. This afternoon she tweeted: "On March 25, Pope Francis will consecrate Russia & Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, during a 5pm penance service in St Peter’s Basilica. The same act, on the same day, will be carried out in Fatima by His Eminence Cardinal KraJєωski, as envoy of the Holy Father."


But, here's the thing: Pope Pius XII consecrated RUSSIA to the Immaculate Heart of Mary way back in 1952. He did not do so, however, in union with the world's bishops as requested by Our Lady of Fatima, which is why Sr. Lucia later made it clear that Our Lady's request to consecrate Russia had not yet been met.
Now, Francis says he'll do something even more strange: Consecrate Russia AND UKRAINE, but also not in union with the bishops of the world.
Nice but, once again, not what Our Lady specifically requested. Why not?
No matter where you come down on the Crisis in Ukraine, can you think of a more perfect opportunity than this for the Pope, united with all his bishops, to finally and at long last consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
It would be so easy to finally do it right. . . to just do what she asked. Why now? Well, perhaps a better question is: Why not now?
It's win/win for everybody! So why not just do it right? It's almost as if the Vatican will do anything other than obey the Mother of God's very specific requests.
Words matter. This is not about geography and where Ukraine is located on a map in relation to Russia. It's about the very specific words of a Consecration formula, given by Our Lady herself.
So, for example, if I were to intentionally change the form of Baptism by adding nice words like "Amen" and "Halleluiah" to the form, I would invalidate the Sacrament. Why? Because the formula matters, and it does NOT include "Amen" or "Halleluiah".
Our Lady did not ask for Ukraine to be consecrated. She specified Russia for a very specific reason, evidently because Russia was "spreading her errors" (atheism) throughout the world.
A Consecration has a formula. It's not merely a prayer for peace. Our Lady wanted Russia consecrated to her Immaculate heart for a very specific reason – part of which was to stop atrocities such as Joseph Stalin’s extermination of 3 million Ukrainians in the 1930s.
Then again, there are two parts to this, obviously, the second of which is the daily Rosary and the First Saturday devotions. How many Russian Orthodox have been doing that do you suppose? For that matter, how many Latin Rite Catholics have done the five first Saturdays devotion of reparation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as Our Lady requested?
My theory? The Consecration of Russia is not a magic trick which will fix everything for an unfaithful world. All of Our Lady's requests must be met, including those she made of us. Her Consecration of Russia will be done, eventually, when an old pope will come up out of the catacombs amidst the rubble of a bombed out Vatican City in a post-world war future and finally — and at long last — do what she asked.
And then there will be peace.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.


Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Thorn on March 17, 2022, 11:54:39 PM
What's wrong with Epiphany that he can't understand that a priest who isn't a Carmelite can't witness anyone's final vows as a Carmelite?!  Also it takes at least a year or more before FINAL vows are said!!!  Did she take temporary vows or did she skip that part?  Ask any trad priest.  DO YOUR HOMEWORK, Epiphany.  Don't you want to know the truth?  You're making trads look like fools - doing whatever you want to make you look holy & pious.  DEBBIE WASN'T A NUN just because she dressed up like one in her own get-up.  Face FACTS.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on March 18, 2022, 12:08:41 AM
What's wrong with Epiphany that he can't understand that a priest who isn't a Carmelite can't witness anyone's final vows as a Carmelite?!  Also it takes at least a year or more before FINAL vows are said!!!  Did she take temporary vows or did she skip that part?  Ask any trad priest.  DO YOUR HOMEWORK, Epiphany.  Don't you want to know the truth?  You're making trads look like fools - doing whatever you want to make you look holy & pious.  DEBBIE WASN'T A NUN just because she dressed up like one in her own get-up.  Face FACTS.
I trust Fr. Sretenovic, and if he says he witnessed her final vows then I believe him.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on March 18, 2022, 12:14:45 AM
Valet your high horse, Epiphany!
You're ticking me off!!

You need to go to confession for calumny and detraction against a holy priest!  God will not be mocked.  Obviously, no words can convince you to back off your proud, irreverent disposition and manner towards a priest.  You should hang your head in shame, pal.  IMO, I don't sense a Catholic presence of Christ in your judgemental disposition, lack of charity, compassion - and Pharisee-like demeanor..  .  "Oh, God I'm glad I'm not like this publican." You're not worth another word of intelligent Catholic discourse.  End of Story!

You are neither God nor my spiritual advisor.

I have always said Fr. Starbuck is a good priest.  But truth is truth.  He made a mistake in threatening a poor, sick, nun with police intervention.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Cera on March 18, 2022, 12:53:25 PM
You are neither God nor my spiritual advisor.

I have always said Fr. Starbuck is a good priest.  But truth is truth.  He made a mistake in threatening a poor, sick, nun with police intervention.
The facts have been made clear, Epiphany, yet you continue to lie. Repeating your lie and over does not make it true; it only worsens your culpability.

What is the source of your lie? Your own fevered imagination? Or did you "hear it" through the school board's lying grapevine? Or are you actually a school board member engaging in a calculated campaign of calumny against a good and holy priest who never "threatened" anyone.

You are an enemy of the truth. Since we are called to pray for our enemies, I will pray for you.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: epiphany on March 18, 2022, 03:48:06 PM
The facts have been made clear, Epiphany, yet you continue to lie. Repeating your lie and over does not make it true; it only worsens your culpability.

What is the source of your lie? Your own fevered imagination? Or did you "hear it" through the school board's lying grapevine? Or are you actually a school board member engaging in a calculated campaign of calumny against a good and holy priest who never "threatened" anyone.

You are an enemy of the truth. Since we are called to pray for our enemies, I will pray for you.
I do not lie.
Fr. Perez told me.
I have told you before and I will not repeat it a third time: I am not on the school board.

Please learn to read and comprehend, Cera, or go bake a cake.
Title: Re: St. Dominic’s is a new TLM (pre-1962 Missal) Chapel in Orange County, CA
Post by: Matthew on March 18, 2022, 05:36:28 PM
I can see there are a lot of strong emotions on this issue. As well as a sincere conviction *on all sides* that what one utters is the truth -- despite those statements being mutually contradictory.

I have no knowledge or indication that any member(s) in this thread are malicious or lying.

So you all are free to argue this until doomsday -- but leave me out of it.

That goes for you too, "SupportFrStarbuck", whose e-mail to me (complaining of his enemies in this thread) inspired this my post. You may be of good will, just trying to defend (who you believe to be) a good priest for example -- but I'll give you my IMPARTIAL opinion here (since I have no dog in this fight). The fact that your name is "SupportFrStarbuck" shows you to be EMINENTLY biased here; the polar opposite of "objective". So much so, that I bet you'd overlook things. Just saying. That would be a rational assumption by any third party unfamiliar with you or the situation in this chapel.

As I said above, that doesn't necessarily mean you're lying -- but it does shout to the world that you're anything but objective in the matter. That SHOULD be taken into account, by anyone trying to ascertain the truth in this situation. Let's be realistic and objective here: even horrible priests like Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer have their fervent followers and apologists.