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Epiphany, if anyone should be handing your head in shame it is you my dear. 

Why do you persist in your calumny against a good and faithful priest? You have previously said you were a member of OLHC. If that is true:
1. You would know the truth of the situation, which you obviously do not.
2. You would have had an opportunity to help Debbie yourself.
3. Why did you not do so?

The facts:
Debbie was a layperson who did not attempt to become a nun until she was in her 60s. She told me that she had a "high-power career in New York" and "shopped only at the best department stores" and "bought only designer suits." She also had two grown sons at the time she arrived at OLHC. Why did her own family not assist her? Why did Debbie’s family reject the offer of a funeral Mass for her when it was offered to her at no cost?

Debbie  was never a member of a religious order, although she fantasized about becoming one. Over the years she would take different religious names. During the time I knew her, she told me she had found an order in France who would take a laywoman in her 60s with health issues. Six or so months later she returned (with a different sister name) and told me it did not work out. Years later she told me she had found an order in Ecuador who would take a laywoman in her 60s with even more severe health issues. She told me to write to her in invisible ink because the police were watching her. At that time I realized that she had both physical and mental health issues. Several months later she returned (with a different sister name) and again said "it didn't work out."

At a time in my life when I was seriously ill and barely able to care for myself, she wanted to move in with me and my husband who was my overburdened caregiver. I realized how out of touch with reality she was. When she persisted, I realized what an entitled perspective she had.

Over a period of time, numerous members of the chapel took her in and again and again "it did not work out." Out of Christian charity and not wanting to gossip, no one said what the problems with her were. However over the years it became known that she had severe emotional and mental problems, she was demanding, she expected to be waited on, and she caused explosive scenes in each home she was in.

At the time Debbie passed away she attended Mass at San Juan Capistrano Mission. Why are you not attacking them? Why do you persist in lying about Father Starbuck?

Father Starbuck is a charitable, humble priest with the heart of a servant. When Father Perez received complaint after complaint regarding Debbie begging before and after all Sunday Masses, he told her to stop begging. She refused to stop. She continued to beg and the  complaints about her begging continued, along with complaints about her stealing items from the chapel bookstore.

Father Perez he did what he always did (just as he did when the school board refused to vet Mr. Wiest and instructed Father Starbuck to take up the problem with the school board). He passed the problem onto dear Father Starbuck. Father Perez instructed Father Starbuck to tell Debbie to leave the chapel.

Your lie about Father Starbuck telling her she’d be arrested if she came on OLHC property is a new embellishment in your carefully crafted collage of lies. It’s obvious where you got that misrepresentation. In fact it was the SCHOOL board who wanted to grasp control of the chapel who circulated lies and calumny against Father Starbuck because he was in their way. They are the ones who told dear Father Starbuck two days before Christmas that he would not be saying any of the Christmas Masses, that he was locked out of his office, and that if he set foot on THEIR property, he would be arrested.

He offered to say her funeral Mass with no donation as he has previously done for those without funds. Her family was not interested in his kind offer.

Epiphany, for the sake of your own soul, stop the calumny against a good and faithful priest.

Epiphany, if anyone should be handing your head in shame it is you my dear. 

Why do you persist in your calumny against a good and faithful priest? You have previously said you were a member of OLHC. If that is true:
1. You would know the truth of the situation, which you obviously do not.
2. You would have had an opportunity to help Debbie yourself.
3. Why did you not do so?

The facts:
Debbie was a layperson who did not attempt to become a nun until she was in her 60s. She told me that she had a "high-power career in New York" and "shopped only at the best department stores" and "bought only designer suits." She also had two grown sons at the time she arrived at OLHC. Why did her own family not assist her? Why did Debbie’s family reject the offer of a funeral Mass for her when it was offered to her at no cost?

Debbie  was never a member of a religious order, although she fantasized about becoming one. Over the years she would take different religious names. During the time I knew her, she told me she had found an order in France who would take a laywoman in her 60s with health issues. Six or so months later she returned (with a different sister name) and told me it did not work out. Years later she told me she had found an order in Ecuador who would take a laywoman in her 60s with even more severe health issues. She told me to write to her in invisible ink because the police were watching her. At that time I realized that she had both physical and mental health issues. Several months later she returned (with a different sister name) and again said "it didn't work out."

At a time in my life when I was seriously ill and barely able to care for myself, she wanted to move in with me and my husband who was my overburdened caregiver. I realized how out of touch with reality she was. When she persisted, I realized what an entitled perspective she had.

Over a period of time, numerous members of the chapel took her in and again and again "it did not work out." Out of Christian charity and not wanting to gossip, no one said what the problems with her were. However over the years it became known that she had severe emotional and mental problems, she was demanding, she expected to be waited on, and she caused explosive scenes in each home she was in.

At the time Debbie passed away she attended Mass at San Juan Capistrano Mission. Why are you not attacking them? Why do you persist in lying about Father Starbuck?

Father Starbuck is a charitable, humble priest with the heart of a servant. When Father Perez received complaint after complaint regarding Debbie begging before and after all Sunday Masses, he told her to stop begging. She refused to stop. She continued to beg and the  complaints about her begging continued, along with complaints about her stealing items from the chapel bookstore.

Father Perez he did what he always did (just as he did when the school board refused to vet Mr. Wiest and instructed Father Starbuck to take up the problem with the school board). He passed the problem onto dear Father Starbuck. Father Perez instructed Father Starbuck to tell Debbie to leave the chapel.

Your lie about Father Starbuck telling her she’d be arrested if she came on OLHC property is a new embellishment in your carefully crafted collage of lies. It’s obvious where you got that misrepresentation. In fact it was the SCHOOL board who wanted to grasp control of the chapel who circulated lies and calumny against Father Starbuck because he was in their way. They are the ones who told dear Father Starbuck two days before Christmas that he would not be saying any of the Christmas Masses, that he was locked out of his office, and that if he set foot on THEIR property, he would be arrested.

He offered to say her funeral Mass with no donation as he has previously done for those without funds. Her family was not interested in his kind offer.

Epiphany, for the sake of your own soul, stop the calumny against a good and faithful priest.
Wrong.

I was replying to SupportFrStarbuck.

Fr. Sretenovic witnessed sister's final vows.  She died a nun.  Full stop.

I never said fr. Starbuck told sister she would be arrested if she came on OLHC property.  Fr. Starbuck has no authority to have sister arrested.  That would be up to the policeman who arrived.

Fr. Starbuck told sister if she set foot on chapel property that the police would be called.

You and Meg have a lot in common when it comes to embellishing, making assumptions, extrapolating, and putting words into my mouth.

And now you call me a liar...

My family and I were members of OHLC since long before Fr. Starbuck arrived, and even long before Fr. Perez arrived.  And I said I helped sister, probably more than I financially should have.

Go bake a cake, Cera.


Go bake a cake, Cera.
I would, but I'm giving up sweets for Lent.

Valet your high horse, Epiphany!
You're ticking me off!!

You need to go to confession for calumny and detraction against a holy priest!  God will not be mocked.  Obviously, no words can convince you to back off your proud, irreverent disposition and manner towards a priest.  You should hang your head in shame, pal.  IMO, I don't sense a Catholic presence of Christ in your judgemental disposition, lack of charity, compassion - and Pharisee-like demeanor..  .  "Oh, God I'm glad I'm not like this publican." You're not worth another word of intelligent Catholic discourse.  End of Story!



Pope to "Consecrate Russia" to Immaculate Heart of Mary (Here We Go Again)
Written by  Michael J. Matt | Editor





Pope to "Consecrate Russia" to Immaculate Heart of Mary (Here We Go Again)



Thanks to Vatican journalist Diane Montagna for once again jumping on an important story. This afternoon she tweeted: "On March 25, Pope Francis will consecrate Russia & Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, during a 5pm penance service in St Peter’s Basilica. The same act, on the same day, will be carried out in Fatima by His Eminence Cardinal Krajewski, as envoy of the Holy Father."


But, here's the thing: Pope Pius XII consecrated RUSSIA to the Immaculate Heart of Mary way back in 1952. He did not do so, however, in union with the world's bishops as requested by Our Lady of Fatima, which is why Sr. Lucia later made it clear that Our Lady's request to consecrate Russia had not yet been met.
Now, Francis says he'll do something even more strange: Consecrate Russia AND UKRAINE, but also not in union with the bishops of the world.
Nice but, once again, not what Our Lady specifically requested. Why not?
No matter where you come down on the Crisis in Ukraine, can you think of a more perfect opportunity than this for the Pope, united with all his bishops, to finally and at long last consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
It would be so easy to finally do it right. . . to just do what she asked. Why now? Well, perhaps a better question is: Why not now?
  • The eyes (and the wrath) of the world are focused on Russia.
  • The consecration would not upset any of the Vatican's precious "dialogue partners".
  • The hapless bishops would go along with it this time, since their partners in media and government would be all for it. After all, Russia, Russia, RUSSIA!
It's win/win for everybody! So why not just do it right? It's almost as if the Vatican will do anything other than obey the Mother of God's very specific requests.
Words matter. This is not about geography and where Ukraine is located on a map in relation to Russia. It's about the very specific words of a Consecration formula, given by Our Lady herself.
So, for example, if I were to intentionally change the form of Baptism by adding nice words like "Amen" and "Halleluiah" to the form, I would invalidate the Sacrament. Why? Because the formula matters, and it does NOT include "Amen" or "Halleluiah".
Our Lady did not ask for Ukraine to be consecrated. She specified Russia for a very specific reason, evidently because Russia was "spreading her errors" (atheism) throughout the world.
A Consecration has a formula. It's not merely a prayer for peace. Our Lady wanted Russia consecrated to her Immaculate heart for a very specific reason – part of which was to stop atrocities such as Joseph Stalin’s extermination of 3 million Ukrainians in the 1930s.
Then again, there are two parts to this, obviously, the second of which is the daily Rosary and the First Saturday devotions. How many Russian Orthodox have been doing that do you suppose? For that matter, how many Latin Rite Catholics have done the five first Saturdays devotion of reparation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as Our Lady requested?
My theory? The Consecration of Russia is not a magic trick which will fix everything for an unfaithful world. All of Our Lady's requests must be met, including those she made of us. Her Consecration of Russia will be done, eventually, when an old pope will come up out of the catacombs amidst the rubble of a bombed out Vatican City in a post-world war future and finally — and at long last — do what she asked.
And then there will be peace.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.