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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 05:11:00 PM »
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  • Excellent!

    Very interesting about Henry IV.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 06:49:59 PM »
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    « Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 07:13:56 PM »
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  • Double posting is NOT cool.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 03, 2010, 09:20:10 PM »
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    Excellent!

    Very interesting about Henry IV.


    I'm fairly certain that Henry IV's conversion wasn't genuine. Even the King's quote makes it look like he believed that the Church taught assurance of salvation.
    Pray for me, always.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 09:38:35 PM »
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    he believed that the Church taught assurance of salvation.


    Henry aside, theologians with Church approval taught  that while we can have no absolute certainty of salvation,  availing ourselves of the means of grace we can have a moral certainty of God's love, mercy and salvation.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 11:38:38 PM »
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    Henry aside, theologians with Church approval taught  that while we can have no absolute certainty of salvation,  availing ourselves of the means of grace we can have a moral certainty of God's love, mercy and salvation.


    I have no problem with this statement.  It sounds reasonable.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 04, 2010, 09:12:23 AM »
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  • "To be wanting in confidence in God's mercy, even after a grave fall, is never a sign of true humility but of insidious pride and diabolical temptation. If Judas had been humble he would have asked pardon and wept for his sins like Peter, instead of despairing. Humility is the virtue which keeps us in our place; and our place in God's sight is that of children who are weak and miserable, yes, but confident children.

    "When we fall into the same imperfections after so many good resolutions; when after many efforts we still do not succeed in correcting certain faults or in overcoming certain difficulties, and when we find ourselves in one way or another far beneath what we ought or would like to be, let us have recourse to the infallible remedy of humility. " Humility," says St. Teresa of Jesus is "the ointment for our wounds" (Int C III, 2)------Divine Intimacy, Father Gabriel of St. Mary Magdalene, O.C.D., TAN Books

    The Lord said to the humble, "Fear not little flock, it is the Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom"....

    St. Paul counseled against prideful presumption when he said "work out your salvation with fear and trembling...."

    Two theives we know were crucified next to our Lord. One was saved, so we need never despair. But only one was saved, so we must never presume.

    Prayer and humility are wings to Heaven.



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    « Reply #8 on: January 04, 2010, 03:04:57 PM »
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  • question on this, if before Christ, several people were in Limbo awaintg His death and entrance to heaven, why were they worthy? some were not strictly following mosaic law, but natural...
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 05:07:33 PM »
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    question on this, if before Christ, several people were in Limbo awaintg His death and entrance to heaven, why were they worthy? some were not strictly following mosaic law, but natural...


    Because they looked forward to His coming into the world.
    Multiculturalism exchanges honest ignorance for the illusion of truth.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 04, 2010, 08:24:26 PM »
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    question on this, if before Christ, several people were in Limbo awaintg His death and entrance to heaven, why were they worthy? some were not strictly following mosaic law, but natural...


    Says who?