They can be excused because Catholics rely on the Magesterium and the authority of the Church. In a certain sense, it is precisely a person's sensus Catholicus that puts them on guard against laymen telling them that the post VII 'Church' is not the Catholic Church. A wounded Catholic sense, but their Catholic sense nevertheless.
Well once you clearly show them how the pre and post v-2 Magisterium is completely in disagreement, i don't see how they could be excused.
A re-iteration: some, who after being catechized (even by a layman) in the traditional faith and persist in the new faith, some may be formal heretics. I am rejecting your claim that any Novus Ordite 'presented with the facts' is necessarily a formal heretic.
So you believe that if you present the
dogma, not mere fact, that there is no salvation outside the Church and you have to be Catholic to be saved, and this novus ordo person still believes heretics and schismatics are going to Heaven and that his/her good Protestant "buddies" are real Christians and will make it just fine, you believe such a person is still not a heretic?
This isn't any "claim" of mine":
you either hold the Faith or you are a heretic.I don't think it's as simple as saying that once you've given someone a link to the Dimond bros that they must cease and desist all Novus Ordo association immediately, or they are formal heretics.
I have always been saying once you explain them everything clearly, and they still persist in their obstinacy.
I'll give you a real-life example.
I have a "devout" novus ordo aunt that believes in salvation outside the Church and all she thinks of is God's mercy. She believes all kinds of people can be saved and is a total religious indifferentist. I don't blame her of course, she was just raised in the V-2 apostasy.
Well, when i found out about all this stuff, i went to her house and told her all about it. I told her how EENS is a dogma and that this is indeed the teaching of the Catholic Church. I also explained to her what a dogma is.
You think she was troubled by all this? Not in the slightest. All she could say was "God's mercy is huge and infinite!" while spreading her arms open like if she was going to hug a tree.
I told her how she is engaging in private interpretation and that she is preferring her own will and her own ideas over what the Church teaches, and she still remained obstinate.
All she did was ask me "well what about the poor people who never heard about the Church or the Gospel" and i answered what the Church says about that.
She also rejected the doctrine on original sin and how infants cannot be saved if they die without baptism.
I was thourough and patient and i showed her all the quotes and what all the Saints said about it etc.
but she still preferred her own will.She's not only a heretic, she's an apostate, because in the local "chapel" here they have what seem to be Protestant "cults" where they sing Protestant songs and all that stuff.
I have told her about modesty in clothes because she dressess immodestly, she wears pants and shorts and never long skirts and well you know how they are.
Nothing. So far she has not recognized anything, not one thing.