Author Topic: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022) (Read 2787 times)

Incredulous · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2022, 10:29:30 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 21, 2022, 10:15:30 AM

Well, she did say that the POPE had to PERFORM the consecration. So given her belief that Ratzinger is the pope, she holds that he would have to DO the consecration. Currently she's saying it would suffice for him to be visibly present (if they [her phrase] rolled him out in a wheelchair while Bergoglio did it).

She also said in union with ALL the bishops (not just in union with the bishops, as you put it).

So you missed two aspect of what Our Lady said, that the Pope had to do it (you just said it had to be done) and that ALL the bishops had to do it (you just had "the bishops").

Technically speaking, the term anti-pope applies when two or more men vie for the Seat.

With Benedict’s participation, with whatever papal powers he claims to have, we officially have:

“An Anti-Pope’s Consecration”

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2022, 10:40:33 AM »

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Well, she did say that the POPE had to PERFORM the consecration. So given her belief that Ratzinger is the pope, she holds that he would have to DO the consecration. Currently she's saying it would suffice for him to be visibly present (if they [her phrase] rolled him out in a wheelchair while Bergoglio did it).

She also said in union with ALL the bishops (not just in union with the bishops, as you put it).

So you missed two aspect of what Our Lady said, that the Pope had to do it (you just said it had to be done) and that ALL the bishops had to do it (you just had "the bishops").

I was not intending to minimize these requirements.

But, back to the "being present" phrase...everyone (Francis, Benedict, whatever bishops take part in this) is reading the same consecration formula, including Benedict, so how does Benedict's location matter? He'll be reading the same prayer/consecration as Francis.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2022, 11:56:32 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous on March 21, 2022, 10:29:30 AM

Technically speaking, the term anti-pope applies when two or more men vie for the Seat.

With Benedict’s participation, with whatever papal powers he claims to have, we officially have:

“An Anti-Pope’s Consecration”

Right, I was just speaking from her perspective ... where she considers Benedict to be the true/legitimate Pope.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2022, 11:58:03 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 21, 2022, 10:40:33 AM

I was not intending to minimize these requirements.

But, back to the "being present" phrase...everyone (Francis, Benedict, whatever bishops take part in this) is reading the same consecration formula, including Benedict, so how does Benedict's location matter? He'll be reading the same prayer/consecration as Francis.

I don't think his location should matter. That's why I speculated about whether she might revise her criterion that he had to be visibly present.

Incredulous · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2022, 02:27:35 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous on March 21, 2022, 10:29:30 AM

Technically speaking, the term anti-pope applies when two or more men vie for the Seat.

With Benedict’s participation, with whatever papal powers he claims to have, we officially have:

“An Anti-Pope’s Consecration”

Correction:

According to Our Lady of LaSalette, it would a Consecration by “two worm ridden Popes”. 🤦🏻‍♂️

”deux papes cribles de vers”, per Father Hesse.

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