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Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2022, 08:18:35 PM »
Our Lady did not request the consecration of Ukraine at Fatima, and therefore, Francis is not complying with her request.

Why is the SSPX pretending he is?

Some people at my SSPX chapel are arguing that because Ukraine was part of the USSR when Our Lady made the request, therefore Ukraine does not constitute an additional country.  But if not, should not Francis need to add the other 14 countries that were part of the USSR in 1929 (lest the same logic conclude Francis is not consecrating the whole Russia/USSR?

But this is neither here nor there: Today -at the time of the consecration- Ukraine is not Russia, nor does it subsist within Russia.  It is it’s own country, and Our Lady didn’t ask for it to be consecrated. 

Given that fact, I just can’t understand the pretended enthusiasm that “the consecration is finally happening.”

What is motivating the SSPX to go along with this?

Some people are even worried that, because of this imposture, an intensified chastisement will be the result, rather than a time of peace and the conversion of Russia.

I do not understand why it’s so hard for Rome simply to do exactly what Our Lady asked.  Are they afraid that doing so would wash away their modernism and restore tradition?

Others are saying this deliberate contortion of Our Lady’s request is an insult, and that if it is generally true that any consecration to Our Lady is good, this 3rd refusal to comply with her request does not merit her favor.

If I tell my child to make his bed before he can go outside, and rather than do what I told him, instead she does something else, the condition is not met.  If a second time, she does something else, and asks me to go outside, I’m getting irritated, and tell her she still hasn’t complied.  If a 3rd time she does something else, I either punish her, or quit paying attention.

I wonder if Heaven will have the same reaction?
When it comes to anything related to Fatima, I have found many people just don't think. The pro Bergoglio reaction is pure emotion.

Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2022, 09:31:29 PM »
The message reads:

They do not post any links to where they got this information that it is " in union with all the bishops".

Where does that come from?



"Hey wise guy...
We're running a business here...
And its my "state of grace", that allows me to make up details to keep the faithful pacified".


Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2022, 07:40:45 AM »
On the @Franciscus Instagram page, the "consecration" is stated as a "Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine". :sleep:

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Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2022, 07:46:15 AM »
On the @Franciscus Instagram page, the "consecration" is stated as a "Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine". :sleep:

So ... watering it down even more.  And ... no mention whatsoever of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  One would think that should make the summary title.  I will be surprised if the phrase "Immaculate Heart of Mary" appears as such anywhere in the formula.  At best you'll get some kind of circuмlocution.  RomanTheo claims to have inside info that the formula under considerations meets all the requirements, but this here increases my skepticism.

Re: SSPX Statement on Consecration of Russia and Ukraine (25 March, 2022)
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2022, 08:09:47 AM »
So ... watering it down even more.  And ... no mention whatsoever of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  One would think that should make the summary title.  I will be surprised if the phrase "Immaculate Heart of Mary" appears as such anywhere in the formula.  At best you'll get some kind of circuмlocution.  RomanTheo claims to have inside info that the formula under considerations meets all the requirements, but this here increases my skepticism.
Addendum: I just learned that the Instagram post is directly copied from his Sunday Angelus. Not trying to give credit to the "consecration", but it did mention the Immaculate Heart.

Here's the full quote:
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I invite every community and all the faithful to unite with me on Friday 25 March, the Solemnity of the Annunciation, for the Solemn Act of Consecration of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that she, the Queen of Peace, may help us obtain peace.



"Consecrations of humanity" (or something like that) to the Immaculate Heart were already performed by Popes before Vatican II.

I think this "consecration of humanity" on Friday will only serve as Rome's excuse to reject future requests of the true consecration of Russia. In a few years, or maybe even next year, when some bishops request it again, they'll just say "it has already been done in 2022".