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Offline Giovanni Berto

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Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
« Reply #330 on: November 23, 2022, 10:45:23 AM »
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  • That's a nice fanciful narrative, for which you have no more evidence than anyone else's version of the story.  And that's precisely the problem here.  It's he said vs. she said ... with nothing else to go on.

    And, yes, it absolutely matters whether or not this was rape.

    And your characterization of Kauffman as this naive young girl who had no idea what she was doing but was manipulated is also not based in any fact and also would defame Fr. Arzuaga more than would be just.  It is not permitted or correct to say, "Well, it was bad enough that he violated priestly celibacy, so there's no harm in piling on the additional allegations."
    To be honest with you, I don't believe it was rape either, but, as you said, we have no proof either way. 

    We will never really know what happened. Only two persons know what really happened. We can only take their word for it.

    I would satified to think the better of both. I fancy that the priest was tempted and took advantage of his position to satisfy his psychological and physical urges. As for Ms. Kauffman, she was taken advantage of, but also liked that attention that she was getting. She was not raped according to the criminal description of the act, but she describes it that way because she sees the behaviour of the priest as equivalent to rape. She decided to expose the situation because she realized that the SSPX leadership is irresponsible and will allow this priest to function as any other priest, unrestricted.


    Offline Gunter

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #331 on: November 23, 2022, 10:58:31 AM »
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  • Using the description "priest" rather losely.  If true defrocked priest would be a better description.


    Offline Matthew

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #332 on: November 23, 2022, 02:22:02 PM »
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  • I haven't read the ENTIRE thread, but I just want to interject --

    Women looking back on a consensual relationship (or even a one-night-stand) with often turn a consensual relationship into "rape" long after the fact. In particular, when she regrets it. She basically convinces herself that it WASN'T HER IDEA at all, because she couldn't be that stupid. Well, if it wasn't her idea, then I guess it was all HIS idea? But that would mean it wasn't consensual (agreed to by BOTH parties)? Waitaminnit... non-consensual sex means she was *gasp* RAPED! Oh no!

    ...that phenomenon IS a "thing" these days. It happens all the time now. Remember, this is the age of fourth-wave Feminism, female supremacy, and Me Too. Women can do no wrong.

    Not saying that applies to anyone in particular -- just saying it IS a thing, just FYI.

    And when you factor in the inherently flawed nature of HUMAN MEMORY male or female, it's easy to distort an event or situation, considering that each time you replay the situation, it changes a bit. Did you know that each and every time you "access" a memory it is somewhat modified in your brain? That's what biologists and psychologists say. Again, human memories are extremely flawed.

    Your memory is not like a video recording stored on a hard drive. THAT is reliable, giving you the same thing every time you play it, and the same on Day 1 as on Day 10,000. But I've listened to songs after 30 years and was surprised how different they were from how I remembered them.
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    Offline Erica Kauffman

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #333 on: November 23, 2022, 04:16:56 PM »
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  • I haven't read the ENTIRE thread, but I just want to interject --

    Women looking back on a consensual relationship (or even a one-night-stand) with often turn a consensual relationship into "rape" long after the fact. 

    If you are suggesting your 'principle' applies to me, you are also so ignorant that you should read the entire thread.

    I denounced Arzuaga in a face to face meeting with +Fellay and Fr. Pfluger in December of 1997. +Fellay PROMISED Arzuaga would be sent to a monastery for the rest of his life. That was satisfactory to me (much better than prison). That is why I never reported to the police. But, sadly, +Fellay lied and never disciplined Arzuaga, feeding me lies via letters I have shown to all. The statute of limitations expired, which is exactly what +Fellay wanted. I have been fighting with the SSPX behind closed doors until a fateful meeting with Wegner, then USDS, in 2019. This meeting compelled me, in good conscience, to go public and caution anyone who would listen of the deep corruption within the SSPX.

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #334 on: November 24, 2022, 07:06:20 AM »
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  • It makes you wonder what a priest has to do to be expelled from the SSPX. Apparently, the any crimes that are unforgivable are Sedevacantism and "disobedience" to your superiors. Once made a priest, you can getaway with anything else.
    Fr. Arzuaga remained a sedevacantist after his return to the SSPX, following the death of Bishop Carmona in Mexico. Is he still sede? I am not accusatory in this question as I am sedeprivationist and a big, bad Feeneyite. I am simply curious.

    Also, who is/was Dr. Salamanca and her relationship to Arzuaga? Might Miss Kaffmann know?
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #335 on: November 27, 2022, 01:25:50 PM »
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    Klas: Hard to know what to make of her and her testimony, although I certainly don't believe it could, let alone should, be dismissed out of hand.


    I thouht this credibility issue had been put to bed months ago.  Look, Klas, and others, the SSPX authorities themselves, viz. Fr. Pfluger,  Fr. Wegner, and +Fellay believed Erica.  Fr. Pfluger "corroborated" her story in writing.  Wegner certainly admitted to the truth of her testimony.  And the SG himself took steps to discipline the errant priest.  Klas, you don't need to know what to make of her testimony.  SSPX hierarchy has already acted upon it.

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #336 on: November 27, 2022, 01:51:06 PM »
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  • That is why I never reported to the police.

    Rape should always be reported to the police. It is a serious crime, after all. Not just a matter of discipline by the leadership of a fraternity of priests, or a superior.

    ALL of the blame is being laid at the door of the leadership of the SSPX. That isn't fair. Evidently, miss Kauffman wasn't aware that rape is a criminal offense. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #337 on: November 27, 2022, 02:46:31 PM »
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  • If this was a jury trial, and I was on the jury, I would acquit Fr. Arzuaga.

    Too many holes in Mme. Kaufman's story to conquer reasonable doubt.

    She might be telling the truth, but I have reasonable doubts.
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