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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
« Reply #300 on: November 22, 2022, 06:05:36 AM »
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  • Many grateful thanks. My daughter was adopted in an illegal way. My pregnancy and delivery were unusually difficult and I was ill. To my great sorrow she has chosen a lesbian lifestyle. In your charity, please pray for her.


    Very sorry to hear that, I will pray for her conversion. 

    I’m certainly not accusing you of anything, but to help clarify things, can you give a brief explanation why you didn’t change the locks?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #301 on: November 22, 2022, 09:46:50 AM »
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  • It's really pathetic how many men here are merely emoting, while some of the women have been much more rational.  We have a Traditionalist #metoo movement here.

    While every allegation should be taken seriously and investigated, it would also be a grave injustice to the falsely-accused.  There has been no shortage of false rape allegations made against men and against priests, from varying motivations, some who intend to capitalize from a civil suit, others who had psychological issues for doing so (such as later regret for consensual activities), and some who just had plain psychological and/or moral issues.  Often the accuser will admit, sometimes after the accused had spent significant time behind bars, that she made the whole thing up.

    This assertion that anyone who doesn't instantly believe every word of any accusation somehow condones rape or pederasty or whatever the case may be is akin to the Jєωιѕн ploy that anyone who doesn't believe that 6 million Jєωs were intentionally exterminated by the nαzιs must be sympathetic to the h0Ɩ0cαųst and would have done it themselves if they could have.

    Erica's allegations of rape simply don't pass even level one of the smell test.  Nor does the fact that Fr. Arzuaga was guilty of grave sins against chastity and celibacy justify simply "tacking on" the rape allegations.  While the former is a grave sin, the latter is also a crime, and a much more grievious sin.

    So it's wrong to disbelieve Erica's allegations but it's OK for Erica to have disbelieved the allegations gainst Father Angles?

    It's disturbing how few individuals have a rational approach to these situations.

    Mark79's absurd characterization of those who don't believe the allegations made by Erica as "accomplices after the fact" is one of the most absurd, pathetic, and effeminate statements I have seen posted here.


    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #302 on: November 22, 2022, 09:51:30 AM »
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  • May God flood you with healing graces. May God bless you for the courage to accept the wounds that accomplices after the fact heap upon you as you try to awaken and protect others from the horrors inflicted on you and your child.

    May God judge them as He said—with their own measure.

    You're the one who's at grave risk of "judgment," buddy, for slandering those who don't find the allegations credible as "accomplices after the fact".

    Offline Erica Kauffman

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #303 on: November 22, 2022, 10:49:41 AM »
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  • So it's wrong to disbelieve Erica's allegations but it's OK for Erica to have disbelieved the allegations gainst Father Angles?

    I didn't disbelieve. I said (to a third party) I didn't know anything. That is Ms. Niles attacking me because of the production dispute. She has snipped pieces of messages and posed them out of context in order to draw me into a social media food fight. I'm also not afraid of the disbelief. I know people won't believe. Whatever happens to their loved ones is on them, now. I have done what I believe God has asked of me. Your words are like those of a confused mad man. 

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #304 on: November 22, 2022, 11:12:31 AM »
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  • I didn't disbelieve. I said (to a third party) I didn't know anything. That is Ms. Niles attacking me because of the production dispute. She has snipped pieces of messages and posed them out of context in order to draw me into a social media food fight. I'm also not afraid of the disbelief. I know people won't believe. Whatever happens to their loved ones is on them, now. I have done what I believe God has asked of me. Your words are like those of a confused mad man.

    In fairness to the readers of this forum, it would be a great service if you can explain why you didn’t change the locks? If you want to persuade your readers of the guiltiness of Father A’s actions it is rather important to address this issue.

    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


    Offline Erica Kauffman

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #305 on: November 22, 2022, 11:21:40 AM »
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  • Very sorry to hear that, I will pray for her conversion.

    I’m certainly not accusing you of anything, but to help clarify things, can you give a brief explanation why you didn’t change the locks?

    Thank you for the prayers.

    I have explained the key, the locks and the police so many times on this forum, it makes me sick. This is definitely the last time.

    My landlord, an old German man who barely spoke English, would not do it for me (because he had just done it when I moved in) and I could not afford a locksmith. Since my landlord would not give me permission anyway, he could have evicted me. But the question no one wants to face is this:

    IF Arzuaga is such a holy priest, trying to save his soul and fell victim to my seductions even after I had stopped teaching and we had no contact, WHY DID HE COME TO MY APARTMENT WITH A KEY HE STOLE FROM UNDER MY DOORMAT? Why didn't he just stay away from me? Why didn't he transfer out of St. Louis? Are my powers THAT strong? 

    He was stalking me, threatening me, psychologically and physically tormenting me. I have never been able to consider marriage because the mere idea of a man touching me is sickening. I still have night terrors and anxiety. Believe it or don't believe it. I don't care. I have done more than enough.

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #306 on: November 22, 2022, 11:31:57 AM »
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  • You're the one…

    What a hodgepodge of rage, projection, rationalization, and [hopefully] guilty conscience you betray.


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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #307 on: November 22, 2022, 11:39:31 AM »
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    Mr. Ladislaus, you are a pitiful man.

    Erica, I will have to agree.  I fully expected that Lad would get a sudden case of keyboard diarrhea after the Arzuaga matter was re-opened.  Of course, I was right.


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    Mr. Hollingsworth: Arzuaga has remained a priest in good standing with the SSPX since his ordination in 1988 in La Reja; except for the three years he spent in Mexico working for CMRI. After fathering a child there and having caused the death of Bishop Carmona and another priest as the insane driver of the vehicle they weare in, Arzuaga was given the boot from CMRI and came crawling back to SSPX in 1991 who welcomed him with open arms. Peter Scott sent Arzuaga to St. Louis where he did too many wicked things to mention. We teachers begged Peter Scott for help but we did not receive any.

    I hope that clears things up for you.

    Yes, it clears up the history of these horrible events quite well.  Erica, I'm not really interested in your interactions with Niles and CM.  I've had my run-ins with them myself in the past.  They are to be credited only with exposing the Arzuaga affair.
    My focus is upon the SSPX for having received back "with open arms" this reptilian creature, knowing full well his past.  Whether or not you changed or did not change your locks is not the issue.  The real focus should be upon Peter Scott and the other members of SSPX hierarchy, who allowed this to happen.  That he is still a member in good standing with the Society is the real issue for me.


    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #308 on: November 22, 2022, 11:46:33 AM »
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  • Thank you for the prayers.

    I have explained the key, the locks and the police so many times on this forum, it makes me sick. This is definitely the last time.

    My landlord, an old German man who barely spoke English, would not do it for me (because he had just done it when I moved in) and I could not afford a locksmith. Since my landlord would not give me permission anyway, he could have evicted me. But the question no one wants to face is this:

    IF Arzuaga is such a holy priest, trying to save his soul and fell victim to my seductions even after I had stopped teaching and we had no contact, WHY DID HE COME TO MY APARTMENT WITH A KEY HE STOLE FROM UNDER MY DOORMAT? Why didn't he just stay away from me? Why didn't he transfer out of St. Louis? Are my powers THAT strong?

    He was stalking me, threatening me, psychologically and physically tormenting me. I have never been able to consider marriage because the mere idea of a man touching me is sickening. I still have night terrors and anxiety. Believe it or don't believe it. I don't care. I have done more than enough.

    After reading your explanation you obviously considered changing the locks at the time of your troubles, fair enough. So now I ask: why didn’t you use the back of a chair, a wedge, a bar, a 2x4, or something improvised to jam the door? There are easy and inexpensive ways to stop an intruder. 

    I certainly don’t consider him to be a “holy” priest, but by the same token, it can be asked: why didn’t you leave the area?

    You are most welcome for the prayers.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #309 on: November 22, 2022, 12:14:34 PM »
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  • Apologies.  The part in bold above is incorrect.  Of course I followed the original topic and made several contributions to it.  Erica shares a new gem of information, and brings the whole Arzuaga affair back to mind.  I thought Arzuaga had disappeared into thin air, and that he had even fallen off the SSPX radar.  Apparently not so. 

    It looks like the SSPX has shipped the predator to Argentina.  

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #310 on: November 22, 2022, 12:19:52 PM »
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  • Your words are like those of a confused mad man.

    Sure, it's "mad" to say that there should be a balance between balance between punishing actual predators and believing any and all accusations against any priest simply because they were made.


    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #311 on: November 22, 2022, 12:24:13 PM »
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  • IF Arzuaga is such a holy priest, ...

    False dilemma.  Nobody's claiming he's a holy priest.  Yet another dishonest tactic to add to the others ...

    1) if we don't hold that there's sufficient evidence to conclude that Arzuaga raped you, then it's because we hold him to be a holy priest

    2) if we don't believe you, it's because we're "accomplices after the fact"

    Fallacious statements like this merely expose dishonesty, so this is another strike against your story.

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #312 on: November 22, 2022, 12:26:52 PM »
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  • It's astonishing to me how many males here are completely cucked and adopting the "White Knight" stance, while it's the women who remain rational.

    Your story doesn't pass the smell test.  While not everyone has the heroic virtue of a St. Maria Goretti, for you not to take some incredibly simple measures (changing locks, having the landlord to it for you, leaving and going somewhere else, reporting him to the police, set up a camera to get video evidence of his crimes) simply defies any rational explanation.

    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #313 on: November 22, 2022, 12:30:22 PM »
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  • WHY DID HE COME TO MY APARTMENT WITH A KEY HE STOLE FROM UNDER MY DOORMAT? Why didn't he just stay away from me? Why didn't he transfer out of St. Louis? Are my powers THAT strong?

    WHY DID YOU NOT SIMPLY CHANGE THE LOCKS ON YOR DOOR OR MOVE OUT?  Are your powers THAT weak?

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #314 on: November 22, 2022, 12:38:04 PM »
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  • After reading your explanation you obviously considered changing the locks at the time of your troubles, fair enough. So now I ask: why didn’t you use the back of a chair, a wedge, a bar, a 2x4, or something improvised to jam the door? There are easy and inexpensive ways to stop an intruder.

    I certainly don’t consider him to be a “holy” priest, but by the same token, it can be asked: why didn’t you leave the area?

    You are most welcome for the prayers.

    Whoever downvoted my post here, unless it was a mistake, really needs their head examined. 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?