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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2020, 12:21:15 PM »
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    The heart of the problem here is that she has nothing to lose by making a false accusation.

    Exactly.  You can't trust anyone that avoids telling their story to the cops.  The cops can sniff out BS a mile away. 
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #61 on: November 23, 2020, 12:45:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 21, 2020, 11:41:29 PM


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    Not revenge, but a duty to prevent this coverup to continue to damage other women.

    She’s 25 yrs late...
    1. Waiting to report rape the statistical likelihood in a person who has been sɛҳuąƖly assaulted.
    2. When you say "25 years late" are you suggesting that SSPX is no longer covering up such reports? She is protecting others by bringing this to light.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #62 on: November 23, 2020, 12:46:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tallinn Trad on November 22, 2020, 05:26:42 AM
    Kauffman

    Where I am from that is a Jєωιѕн name.
    Only a moron would extrapolate anything of significance from a person's surname.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #63 on: November 23, 2020, 12:48:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 22, 2020, 07:27:07 AM
    The priest is innocent until proven guilty.  This is both legal and charitable.  No one should trust any woman's claim of rape, until and unless she has spoken with police first.  If she's not willing to have the police check out her story, if she's not willing to be scrutinized, if she's not willing to tell the truth under threat of lying to the cops (which is illegal), then she shouldn't and can't be trusted.  Put up or shut up.
    Where did you obtain the idea that she has not reported this to the authorities -- police or sheriffs?
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #64 on: November 23, 2020, 12:50:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tallinn Trad on November 22, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
    He might be innocent entirely.  No DNA test.

    An innocent person would have no problem with a DNA test.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #65 on: November 23, 2020, 12:54:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 22, 2020, 03:42:18 PM
    To me it is of little importance whether this happened as she says or otherwise, what I see in this is that the average man or parent who reads this, does not see anything wrong with sending their daughters away to live by themselves and does not see that the same thing that happened to this girl whether she did it willingly or not, will happen or is happening right now to their daughters or sisters. Whether their daughters are away at college or working in another state, they will be pursued by strangers. What did parents expect? Personally, I think that parents, and specially the fathers, that send their daughters away to live by themselves are sleeping on the job, idiots, shirking their duty, do not care till it is too late, selfish, useless......  (take your pick)
    Agreed. In the video, she says she had no family. I take this to mean either she had no family, or she had a pathological family. She was left abandoned and unprotected, which coincidentally happens to be the type of situation favored by predators.

    Of course he is innocent until proven guilty. The problem is not the alleged perp, the problem is the SSPX coverup by refusing to investigate her allegation.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #66 on: November 23, 2020, 12:57:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on November 23, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
    An innocent person would have no problem with a DNA test.

    That isn't universally true.  I could see someone being so outraged by the charge that submitting to the DNA test would be to dignify the accusation beyond what it deserves.  And even if the DNA test proved paternity, it doesn't prove rape, as the entire situation could have been consensual.  That's why she really needed to go to the authorities right away.  She claimed it was "violent and painful" ... well, a medical exam could have backed that up, along with acquiring genetic material that could easily have convicted the perpetrator.

    Don't the wrongly-accused also have rights to their good name?  As far as I'm concerned, until this woman provides proof, I hold her accusations to be false, since to do so would be to take away the good name of the accused without evidence.  This would not be the first time a man has been falsely accused of rape ... either due to a woman having second thoughts later, or becoming resentful after a subsequent breakup, or some other psychological issues (need for attention, etc.).  Consequently, until she produces SOME independent evidence, even if this be just the testimony of someone she told about this at the time it happened ... I have to dismiss this as false.  I am no saying that it's certainly false, but I have to treat it as such out of justice to the accused until such as time as she provides some evidence.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #67 on: November 23, 2020, 12:58:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on November 23, 2020, 12:54:51 PM
    The problem is not the alleged perp, the problem is the SSPX coverup by refusing to investigate her allegation.

    Well, see, that too is an unsubstantiated allegation for which there's no proof.  Do we have even a single independent piece of evidence (testimony or docuмent or something) which indicates that she brought this to the attention of the SSPX at all?  And, then, if she did, did the SSPX not investigate or did the SSPX investigate and find her accusations lacking in credibility?  There's nothing here except her allegations.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #68 on: November 23, 2020, 01:04:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tallinn Trad on November 23, 2020, 02:10:26 AM
    She claims in the YouTube comments that she could not afford to change her locks.  That is simply not believable.  This is America, in 1993, not Somalia.

    A new barrel and key for any lock is 20 or 30 dollars maximum and usually comes with 3 keys.  Changing it simply needs a screwdriver.  She could ask any old timer parishioner male who had a blue collar job and he would swap out the barrel.  It takes 5 minutes and is very simple. She could keep the old barrel to satisfy the landlord.  No landlord is going to object to a lock being changed for the safety of a female tenant.

    You can easily save 20 dollars that on groceries in a month, or by turning you AC or heating down for 2 weeks.  Or just ask a friend.  Who here would not simply gift 30 dollars to a woman who felt she needed to change her locks.  Heck, I would even pick up the screwdriver as well as pay for the lock. I would not care about 30 dollars even if she did not pay it back, it is such a trivial sum.

    A security chain in 1993 cost 10 dollars.  Anyone can attach that to a door.  It is beginner level DIY.  Screwdriver and 8 screws.
    Exactly. 
    You let a priest repeatedly "rape" you every 1-1.5 months for a long time because it was too difficult to change your lock?  :facepalm:
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #69 on: November 23, 2020, 01:05:13 PM »
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    • I could easily see the following psychological process take place over the years.

    1) Fr. Arzuaga was "mean" to her and caused her some emotional pain as a result.
    2)  She conceived a child out of wedlock, then put the child up for adoption, and then felt guilty about both the fornication and giving the child up.
    3) 25 years pass and she sees the Voris articles of "coverup".
    4) She psychological reconstructs these events and conflates things so that in her mind she decides that she was raped by Fr. Arzuaga.

    Who knows?  Stranger things have happened.

    Where's the actual independent evidence apart from her accusation?
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #70 on: November 23, 2020, 01:06:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: PAT317 on November 23, 2020, 01:04:41 PM
    Exactly.
    You let a priest repeatedly "rape" you every 1-1.5 months for a long time because it was too difficult to change your lock?  :facepalm:

    I mean, could you imagine?  You'd lay there every single night wondering if he would show up that night to rape you?
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #71 on: November 23, 2020, 01:39:49 PM »
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    Where did you obtain the idea that she has not reported this to the authorities -- police or sheriffs?

    If she had, and if the police thought there was enough evidence to investigate, then the sspx/priest in question would've HAD to have cooperated.  If the police had listened to the story but didn't believe it, then she would've had to drop the story.  Once you get the police involved, the matter will be cleared up one way or the other.  Since it isn't cleared up, then it's logical to assume she didn't go to the police.
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    Also, the journalist told her to "get a lawyer".  If she had already done so in the past, she would've responded "I've tried that already".  Again, a lawyer will do his own investigation prior to taking a case.  If her story had legs, the lawyer would've gotten the sspx/priest to cooperate, and the cops would've been involved.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #72 on: November 23, 2020, 01:43:46 PM »
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    An innocent person would have no problem with a DNA test.

    BS.  If a casual acquaintance (not a close friend) came up to you on the street and said, "My home security camera shows you stole a package from my doorstep.  I need your fingerprints right now."  Would you take a fingerprint test to prove your innocence?  If so, then you don't believe in "innocent until proven guilty".
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #73 on: November 24, 2020, 12:37:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 23, 2020, 01:06:37 PM
    I mean, could you imagine?  You'd lay there every single night wondering if he would show up that night to rape you?
    If her childhood was like that, this is exactly the behavior that commonly occurs in ACTUAL cases of incest victims later being easy targets for predators..
    Note that at this point no one knows if her charge is true or not. The problem is that the SSPX appears to be stonewalling now, which tends to give credence to her charge that they stonewalled then.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #74 on: November 24, 2020, 01:29:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on November 23, 2020, 12:46:36 PM
    Only a moron would extrapolate anything of significance from a person's surname.
    Then you are a moron.  I merely made an observation.
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