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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2020, 07:10:05 PM »
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    But beware - if you don't first listen to the whole video and read all the combox comments first, she may just tell you to do so, and not give you any answer.

    Some points:
    1.  Did this woman not give her whole story to the Remnant already?  Why the need for an additional video, and comments and an email?  Is the truth SO COMPLICATED that a Remnant journalist can't figure it out and write a summary?  The fact that this woman needs a video/email to keep up "the conversation" leads one to think she's just seeking attention.  The truth is usually simple; if it can't be explained in a Remnant article, then it's questionable.
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    2.  Even if one reads the article, listens to the video, and emails her any additional questions...then what?  It's still just ONE SIDE of the story.  It proves nothing.
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    Offline Cera

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #46 on: November 21, 2020, 07:59:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 21, 2020, 04:48:53 PM
    Ok, so assuming that's true, here are the facts:
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    20+ years ago, a woman and priest had a child.  Child given up for adoption.  Woman and priest signed a docuмent for adoption.
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    20 years later, woman complains that the priest's organization ignored her.  She wants the "truth" to be known.  Ok, but what else does she want?  Destruction of the priest?  Child support is not involved, because the child is adopted, so what is the "end game"?  ...The only answer is revenge.
    Not revenge, but a duty to prevent this coverup to continue to damage other women. Rape is one thing. The coverup is worse in the sense that it allows predators to continue, knowing they will be protected.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #47 on: November 21, 2020, 08:03:16 PM »
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    • DNA is pivotal. If the 23-year-old can be located, he or she may very well agree to testing. The SSPX may, due to public pressure, require the priest (they are now protecting) to be tested. The test results will reveal if he impregnated the woman. Or not. It goes without saying that. . .
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #48 on: November 21, 2020, 11:41:29 PM »
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    Not revenge, but a duty to prevent this coverup to continue to damage other women.
    She’s 25 yrs late...
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #49 on: November 22, 2020, 12:55:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on November 21, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
    DNA is pivotal. If the 23-year-old can be located, he or she may very well agree to testing. The SSPX may, due to public pressure, require the priest (they are now protecting) to be tested. The test results will reveal if he impregnated the woman. Or not. It goes without saying that. . .
    I haven't read the article and I haven't watched the video. Only read this thread.
    So...
    Has the "child", now in 20's, been located?
    Does s/he even know s/he is adopted?
    How would such a person cope with being approached by strangers for a DNA sample?
    The thought of such an affront boggles the mind.
    Unless of course s/he is aware of adopted status and desires to locate his/her parents.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #50 on: November 22, 2020, 05:26:42 AM »
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    • Kauffman

    Where I am from that is a Jєωιѕн name. 
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #51 on: November 22, 2020, 07:27:07 AM »
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    DNA is pivotal. If the 23-year-old can be located, he or she may very well agree to testing. The SSPX may, due to public pressure, require the priest (they are now protecting) to be tested. The test results will reveal if he impregnated the woman. Or not. It goes without saying that.

    The priest is innocent until proven guilty.  This is both legal and charitable.  No one should trust any woman's claim of rape, until and unless she has spoken with police first.  If she's not willing to have the police check out her story, if she's not willing to be scrutinized, if she's not willing to tell the truth under threat of lying to the cops (which is illegal), then she shouldn't and can't be trusted.  Put up or shut up.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #52 on: November 22, 2020, 09:48:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Argentino on November 21, 2020, 05:22:18 PM
    I was just saying that to show you that DNA is not an issue.
    You appear to have question. You can go to Youtube and ask them in the combox. She answer. But beware - if you don't first listen to the whole video and read all the combox comments first, she may just tell you to do so, and not give you any answer.

    Yes, she has been telling some of the commenters to watch the video in order to have their questions answered. But so far, she has responded to the points that I've been raising, though the Remnant doesn't always post my comments. My comments always have to "await moderation", since I've been a troublemaker there in the past." My username there is "Marsaili"

    Miss Kauffman can be quite defensive in her responses to comments (especially mine), but my hope is that she will understand that her story isn't actual proof, and that it's only fair that not everyone is accepting her story without questions. Though I am sympathetic to her situation. But still...
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #53 on: November 22, 2020, 11:18:20 AM »
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    • Should not title be "Remnant Scandal from the SSPX"? 
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #54 on: November 22, 2020, 02:09:02 PM »
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    • The heart of the problem here is that she has nothing to lose by making a false accusation.

    If women who falsely cry rape went to jail for the same period as the men they accuse I would be more willing to believe them.  But they NEVER do.

    Even when they are proven to have lied they almost never get a custodial sentence.

    25 years later, fat, middle aged cat lady with Tourettes makes a video?  What can anyone reasonably conclude from that?

    He might have raped her.

    She might have seduced him.  I find this more likely given how easy it is to lock a door.

    He might be innocent entirely.  No DNA test.

    There is no way to have real justice here just internet keyboard trials and slander.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #55 on: November 22, 2020, 03:15:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tallinn Trad on November 22, 2020, 05:26:42 AM
    Kauffman

    Where I am from that is a Jєωιѕн name.
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    Good catch! I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned already.
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    Is this person still a traditional Catholic? What type of chapel does she attend now -- SSPX, independent, Novus Ordo, anywhere?
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #56 on: November 22, 2020, 03:42:18 PM »
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    • To me it is of little importance whether this happened as she says or otherwise, what I see in this is that the average man or parent who reads this, does not see anything wrong with sending their daughters away to live by themselves and does not see that the same thing that happened to this girl whether she did it willingly or not, will happen or is happening right now to their daughters or sisters. Whether their daughters are away at college or working in another state, they will be pursued by strangers. What did parents expect? Personally, I think that parents, and specially the fathers, that send their daughters away to live by themselves are sleeping on the job, idiots, shirking their duty, do not care till it is too late, selfish, useless......  (take your pick)
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #57 on: November 22, 2020, 03:57:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on November 22, 2020, 03:15:50 PM
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    Good catch! I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned already.
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    Is this person still a traditional Catholic? What type of chapel does she attend now -- SSPX, independent, Novus Ordo, anywhere?
    Kauffman is a German name. αѕнкenαzι Jews from Germany took the name also. So she could be of German descent.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #58 on: November 23, 2020, 02:10:26 AM »
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    • She claims in the YouTube comments that she could not afford to change her locks.  That is simply not believeable.  This is America, in 1993, not Somalia.

    A new barrel and key for any lock is 20 or 30 dollars maximum and usually comes with 3 keys.  Changing it simply needs a screwdriver.  She could ask any old timer parishoner male who had a blue collar job and he would swap out the barrel.  It takes 5 minutes and is very simple. She could keep the old barrel to satisfy the landlord.  No landlord is goung to object to a lock being changed for the safety of a female tenant.

    You can easily save 20 dollars that on groceries in a month, or by turning you AC or heating down for 2 weeks.  Or just ask a friend.  Who here would not simply gift 30 dollars to a woman who felt she needed to change her locks.  Heck, I would even pick up the screwdriver as well as pay for the lock. I would not care about 30 dollars even if she did not pay it back, it is such a trivial sum.

    A security chain in 1993 cost 10 dollars.  Anyone can attach that to a door.  It is beginner level DIY.  Screwdriver and 8 screws.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #59 on: November 23, 2020, 07:40:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on November 21, 2020, 07:59:30 PM
    Not revenge, but a duty to prevent this coverup to continue to damage other women. Rape is one thing. The coverup is worse in the sense that it allows predators to continue, knowing they will be protected.

    I think that the coverup is far from proven.  Her story about Bishop Fellay weeping and then doing nothing ... well, let's just say that I don't buy the first part, about his weeping.

    She refuses to name the confessor who could theoretically vouch for the fact that there was a coverup.  I knew Fr. Scott at the time, and he was unlikely to cover something like that up.  We have no idea what process they went through.  Perhaps they judged her accusations not to be credible ... for good reason.  If the incidents never happened, then of course there's no coverup.

    Name this confessor who knows about the "coverup" and then he can give his testimony.  Otherwise, it's just her word against everyone else's.

    This case should be easy to get to the bottom of.  Do a DNA comparison between Fr. Arzuaga and the child.  Of course, it still wouldn't prove rape (just fornication), since this wouldn't be the first time that a woman had regrets about a relationship later on and then decided to retrospectively label it as rape.
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