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Offline Simplehomeschooler

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Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2020, 08:22:53 AM »
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  • Fr. Arzuaga was not a big/strong man and he was by her account heavily intoxicated.  Had she physically resisted, I don’t see how she couldn’t have thwarted any attempted rape on his part.  And the fact that this happened over and over again without her having done much of anything to prevent it ... I agree that it doesn’t pass a smell test.  It’s also interesting that she won’t name this confessor who could theoretically back up parts of her story.  So she would just lay there every night wondering if Fr. Arzuaga would show up to rape her?  “I’m glad he didn’t show up tonight to rape me.”  Wouldn’t you just move or do SOMEthing?  Then she plays the “shaming” card ... asserting that anyone who doesn’t accept everything she says to be true is shaming her.  That’s garbage.
    I hate to sound cliche, but as a man you would already have a very different reaction than a young woman. Men are fighters. Their reason overrides their emotions when it comes to crises. Women tend to have emotions that override their reason in a crisis. Very complimentary in God's plan. 
    A young girl, living on her own, working for the school, scared stiff is not going to think rationally, especially if she is suffering some kind of PTSD. You say what she should have done not only as a man, but as someone totally disassociated from the trauma. Why do any abused women stay with their abusers?
    In this case it was her parish, her support system, her salary... everything at stake. It is impossible to judge someone's actions here. 
    I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve the story... but I will remember to tell my daughters to keep their guard up. 

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #31 on: November 21, 2020, 08:25:40 AM »
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    It sounds like she has more than a couple of confessors.

    Probably loves to tell her sob story multiple times a month, so she needs different priests to listen.


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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #32 on: November 21, 2020, 08:42:20 AM »
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  • I hate to sound cliche, but as a man you would already have a very different reaction than a young woman. Men are fighters. Their reason overrides their emotions when it comes to crises. Women tend to have emotions that override their reason in a crisis. Very complimentary in God's plan.
    A young girl, living on her own, working for the school, scared stiff is not going to think rationally, especially if she is suffering some kind of PTSD. You say what she should have done not only as a man, but as someone totally disassociated from the trauma. Why do any abused women stay with their abusers?
    In this case it was her parish, her support system, her salary... everything at stake. It is impossible to judge someone's actions here.
    I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve the story... but I will remember to tell my daughters to keep their guard up.

    I tend to agree. 

    The accusations are probably true, IMO, but there is no way for anyone here, or in the various comboxes, to know for sure. Though I think that Ladislaus does have a point about anyone who doesn't accept everything she says is shaming her (according to her). That's just not true. No one has to take her word for it, since the combox is a not court of law. That being said, it would be a good thing if the SSPX would respond to her concerns, though the SSPX are very good at holding out and saying nothing.

    From the comments at the Remnant and Youtube comments, evidently she did complain early on to various SSPX persons in authority, but nothing was done (not surprising). I haven't watched the video, and don't intend to.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #33 on: November 21, 2020, 09:38:00 AM »
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    The accusations are probably true,

    ?  why?  Because women always tell the truth?

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #34 on: November 21, 2020, 09:49:19 AM »
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  • ?  why?  Because women always tell the truth?

    Women certainly don't always tell the truth. I haven't said that they do.

    I could be wrong. But the woman seems sincere. But like I said, there's no way to know for sure. And I haven't watched the video because I think it's likely too emotionally-charged, which only confuses the situation. It's not necessarily a good idea for her to put this situation before the public. She has said that she will offer "proof" of the rape if the SSPX doesn't respond. Not a good idea, IMO, because it will only provide more sordid details, and that gets a bit weird.

    The previous post by simplehomeschooler makes sense to a woman, or at least to me. That's what I was responding to. Men and women are likely to think differently about something like this because we ARE different, obviously.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #35 on: November 21, 2020, 10:11:41 AM »
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  • A young girl, living on her own, working for the school, scared stiff is not going to think rationally, especially if she is suffering some kind of PTSD. You say what she should have done not only as a man, but as someone totally disassociated from the trauma. Why do any abused women stay with their abusers?
    In this case it was her parish, her support system, her salary... everything at stake. It is impossible to judge someone's actions here.
    I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve the story... but I will remember to tell my daughters to keep their guard up.
    I didn't see this before and it can explain what happened. The key is "A young girl, living on her own", with everyone around her against her "her parish, her support system".

    In my culture daughters lived at home till they married. If they worked, they still lived at home and worked with a relative or a trusted Catholic friend of the family that would watch over her like the parents. This is why I say the daughters should stay at home till they marry. In my eyes, Americans trad parents are like snakes, they lay their eggs and then let them fend for themselves. This is an American thing, it is not Catholic, and they have spread all over the world. American Trads have their children and send them off to be taught by others, and then boarding school in another state at 12 years of age. They are worse than the secularists who keep their children home from K-12, then send them off to college at 18 and up.

    I can believe now that this could have happened had the girl had no one to turn to; no parents to turn to, or parents, parish, and support system that worship priests as gods, rather than as men.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #36 on: November 21, 2020, 11:57:08 AM »
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    But the woman seems sincere.

    What seems sincere?  That she's waited 25 yrs to "speak out"?  That she supposedly has proof, yet didn't go to the legal authorities?  That she doesn't hate the sspx, but goes to an anti-sspx website to tell her story?  That she gave up a child for adoption long ago, but still wants the sspx to do... what exactly? 
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    None of this seems sincere at all.

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #37 on: November 21, 2020, 12:01:02 PM »
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    A young girl, living on her own, working for the school,

    Let's be honest, in our day and age, this is the feminist dream and most girls have swallowed this pill, even Trads.
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    This is why I say the daughters should stay at home till they marry.

    Agree, but most daughters nowadays wouldn't do so, even if the parents offered.  Feminism is everywhere.


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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #38 on: November 21, 2020, 12:20:04 PM »
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  • I didn't see this before and it can explain what happened. The key is "A young girl, living on her own", with everyone around her against her "her parish, her support system".

    In my culture daughters lived at home till they married. If they worked, they still lived at home and worked with a relative or a trusted Catholic friend of the family that would watch over her like the parents. This is why I say the daughters should stay at home till they marry. In my eyes, Americans trad parents are like snakes, they lay their eggs and then let them fend for themselves. This is an American thing, it is not Catholic, and they have spread all over the world. American Trads have their children and send them off to be taught by others, and then boarding school in another state at 12 years of age. They are worse than the secularists who keep their children home from K-12, then send them off to college at 18 and up.

    I can believe now that this could have happened had the girl had no one to turn to; no parents to turn to, or parents, parish, and support system that worship priests as gods, rather than as men.

    Well said.

    There was a time in this country, I believe, when young women would have not been encouraged to live outside the home until they were married. But with the 'individual' being of such importance here, that's not possible anymore. I don't think that it was always like this in this country. My family has been here for 400 years (not Catholic), so I have their example to go by, though that's only one example.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #39 on: November 21, 2020, 02:12:31 PM »
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  • ?  why?  Because women always tell the truth?
    Like men who lie, women who lie tend to do so in order to make themselves look better, stronger, smarter.
    People tend not to lie when they know they will be unfairly judged, shamed, disbelieved etc.
    She evidently has the birth certificate, so if the SSPX wanted to protect others, they would have looked into this, found the 23 year old and ask if he or she would submit to DNA testing.
    Bottom line. They chose to bury their heads in the sand, rather than to attempt to protect others from a possible predator.
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #40 on: November 21, 2020, 02:38:32 PM »
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    She evidently has the birth certificate, so if the SSPX wanted to protect others, they would have looked into this, found the 23 year old and ask if he or she would submit to DNA testing.
    Bottom line. They chose to bury their heads in the sand, rather than to attempt to protect others from a possible predator.

    A birth certificate only proves she had a child.  It doesn't prove the priest was involved.
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    If I created a website, and said I have evidence that you abandoned a child long ago, would you take a DNA test next week?  Why or why not? 


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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #41 on: November 21, 2020, 03:46:11 PM »
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  • A birth certificate only proves she had a child.  It doesn't prove the priest was involved.
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    If I created a website, and said I have evidence that you abandoned a child long ago, would you take a DNA test next week?  Why or why not?

    I seem to recall from the video that she said she got the priest to sign some paper about the adoption. Did I hear that wrongly?

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #42 on: November 21, 2020, 04:48:53 PM »
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    I seem to recall from the video that she said she got the priest to sign some paper about the adoption.

    Ok, so assuming that's true, here are the facts:
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    20+ years ago, a woman and priest had a child.  Child given up for adoption.  Woman and priest signed a document for adoption.
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    20 years later, woman complains that the priest's organization ignored her.  She wants the "truth" to be known.  Ok, but what else does she want?  Destruction of the priest?  Child support is not involved, because the child is adopted, so what is the "end game"?  ...The only answer is revenge.

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #43 on: November 21, 2020, 05:22:18 PM »
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  • Ok, so assuming that's true, here are the facts:
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    20+ years ago, a woman and priest had a child.  Child given up for adoption.  Woman and priest signed a document for adoption.
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    20 years later, woman complains that the priest's organization ignored her.  She wants the "truth" to be known.  Ok, but what else does she want?  Destruction of the priest?  Child support is not involved, because the child is adopted, so what is the "end game"?  ...The only answer is revenge.
    I was just saying that to show you that DNA is not an issue.
    You appear to have question. You can go to Youtube and ask them in the combox. She answer. But beware - if you don't first listen to the whole video and read all the combox comments first, she may just tell you to do so, and not give you any answer.

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #44 on: November 21, 2020, 05:30:08 PM »
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  • FYI: Here is her Email if anyone has more questions after watching the video: HaurietisAquas@gmail.com


     

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