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Offline Carissima

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Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
« Reply #255 on: July 21, 2021, 07:18:01 PM »
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  • I didn't watch the tape but I read here that she said she was repeatedly raped and eventually was impregnated. How is it possible to be raped more than once? This puzzles me.
    Could being taken advantage of, or coerced be called rape? Maybe the definition has been changed for prosecuting for legal purposes? 

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #256 on: July 21, 2021, 10:01:49 PM »
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    Could being taken advantage of, or coerced be called rape?

    In our feminist utopian days, where the matriarchy rules all, when "me too" is all the rage - yes.  Anything can be called rape, as long as you feel like you're a victim.  Words no longer have meaning; all that matters are feelings.


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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #257 on: July 22, 2021, 12:11:08 AM »
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  • Erica, 
    I don't know if your still with us on this thread.  I would totally understand if you had turned away from all this swill posted by all the usual suspects.  It is truly disgusting.  You see, Erica, numbers of forum members are still in attendance at SSPX chapels.  Some were once seminarians in the SSPX, and left for whatever reasons.  Other laymen like ourselves left the group, because of the corruption we perceived to underlie much of its activities, including its financial/business operations.
    But many here, I'm afraid can not bring themselves to believe that SSPX would harbor and protect pedophile priests and other criminal priests guilty of sɛҳuąƖ crimes in their midst.  They're in denial, and take it all out on you.  You're the guilty one.  You're not telling the truth about the true nature of your relationship with Fr. Arzuaga.  You're lying about that relationship.  You're claiming rape when there was no rape, etc.,etc.,etc.  Meanwhile, Arzuaga comes in for very little criticism.  Folks hardly pay attention to him.  He is all but forgotten and lost in the hail of accusations directed against you. 
    These folks can not face the fact that this is no longer the same apostolate created in 1970 by Abp. Lefebvre for the restoration of the TLM  and the training of traditional Catholic priests.  And they really have difficulty accepting just how morally corrupt the Society has become, though some of them see the organization compromising and  drawing closer and closer to Rome.
    The response to you has been really quite pathetic, and I apologize to you on their behalf for the shabby treatment you've received and the disrespect they have exhibited towards you.  You have behaved quite heroically in my opinion.  May God bless you and yours.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #258 on: July 22, 2021, 07:24:13 AM »
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  • hollingsworth,

    That has to be the biggest load of utter garbage I've ever seen posted here.  Matthew should consider banning you.

    Apart from your nauseating attempt to play "White Knight," you lie regarding your suggestion that people don't believe Erica because they are attached to the SSPX.  By FAR, the vast majority of those on this forum are either Resistance (whose leaders were expelled from and treated shamefully by the SSPX) or sedevacantists who have long been at enmity with the SSPX.  There are very few neo-SSPX advocates; you could count the active pro-SSPX and pro-Fellay people here on one hand (with a couple fingers to spare).

    Nobody's in "denial".  When there's reasonable evidence for cover-up, the members on this forum are  the FIRST to go after the SSPX.  In fact, one would think they'd be looking for any excuse to attack them, given that they're mostly Resistance and sedevacantist.  Instead, despite their animus against the SSPX, they try to be objective.  There appear to be a couple of clear cases of coverup out there, the most conspicuous being the disturbing case of Fr. Abbet.  We are all calling for the resignation/expulsion and prosecution of +Fellay regarding that case.

    Unlike yourself, hollingsworth, who have decided that you're going to believe every accusation out there due to your contempt for the SSPX, the rest of us try to sort them out case by case.

    In this particular case, there's no convincing evidence to support Erica's allegation.  There's the bizarre case of "the lock," and the SSPX says they interviewed people who said that Arzuaga and Kauffman were suspiciously friendly toward one another (i.e. probably showing signs of affection and flirtation) ... which militates against there being ongoing rape.  So given these points of evidence against her allegation, and having seen NO evidence in favor, we are left to conclude that the allegations are likely false.  Combine that with Erica's attitude here on the forum, and many of us now believe her less.

    She comes on here trying to "shame" everyone who doesn't believe her by accusing them of "shaming" HER.  Nobody's shamed her.  Not believing her allegation is not "shaming".  Beside that, the whole "shaming" accusation is a deliberate tactic used by false accusers because it begs the question regarding the veracity of their allegations.  How dare you shame a woman for being a victim!  That presumes she was a victim.

    As of right now, many of us have come to the conclusion there Erica is not being truthful.  We don't know whether it's conscious or whether it's unconscious ... the end result of years and years of reflection on these past events, to the point that perhaps she's come to believe the allegations herself.  I'm sure that most would be wiling to reconsider, were she to produce some evidence that is mysteriously being kept under wraps ... probably because of an impending civil suit (I can see no other reason), and that might explain the motivation behind these false allegations.

    hollingsworth, your "White Knight" play here is borderline nauseating.  I think you've been effeminized by reading too much Valtorta.  That and you are so poisoned by your contempt for the SSPX that you are incapable of thinking rationally (also a very feminine trait) ... to the point that you ... ridiculously ... try to characterize the forum members here as partisans of the SSPX, and at one time even asserted that I might be a SSPX agent.  You've lost your mind, hollingsworth.

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #259 on: July 22, 2021, 08:14:46 AM »
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    Unlike yourself, hollingsworth, who have decided that you're going to believe every accusation out there due to your contempt for the SSPX, the rest of us try to sort them out case by case.

    Yep.

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    hollingsworth, your "White Knight" play here is borderline nauseating.  ...That and you are so poisoned by your contempt for the SSPX that you are incapable of thinking rationally (also a very feminine trait)
    Double-yep.


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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #260 on: July 22, 2021, 11:54:09 AM »
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    That has to be the biggest load of utter garbage I've ever seen posted here.  Matthew should consider banning you.
    Well, Matthew, my man, are you going to take up Ladislaus' request?  Are you going to ban me? The ball is in your court.  
    Meanwhile, I maintain that SSPX is as guilty as New Church.  The Society leadership protects pedophiles and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in their midst, much the same as the Novus Ordo hierarchy does in theirs.  The filthy underbelly of SSPX has been exposed.  So go ahead, Matthew.  Follow the advice of your 'hero members' and ban me.  I dare you.  Because as long as you let me post, (which most of the time is pretty infrequently), I'm going speak out in exactly the same manner about the SSPX.

    Offline Tallinn Trad

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #261 on: July 22, 2021, 02:39:46 PM »
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  • I didn't watch the tape but I read here that she said she was repeatedly raped and eventually was impregnated. How is it possible to be raped more than once? This puzzles me.
    It does not puzzle me.  Occam's razor suggests strongly to me that she found the priests advances flattering.  Young women can be completely lacking in prudential judgement.  That is why she left the bedroom door unlocked.  Anyone who rejected the advances of an aggressive male would scratch his face deeply and get the hell out of the school.  There are WOMEN'S shelters all over the United States. There are parishioners who would put her up in their homes.

    The only reason you are raped multiple times is if you are mentally retarded.  No normal person is. 

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #262 on: July 22, 2021, 03:11:07 PM »
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  • If I were directing a jury I would say this was a case of a young woman living in a fantasy who was taken advantage of by a predatory priest.

    But that is not rape, nor is it illegal. Or rape happens in college dormitories and every night club in the world when women take drugs drink too much and sleep with a lothario who flatters her and takes her home where semi intoxicated she has sex.

    The SSPX should discipline the priest, I would kick him out, who needs such a priest?  But under the law of the land he has done nothing that 100,000 lounge lizards don't do every night. 


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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #263 on: July 22, 2021, 03:25:00 PM »
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  • Hollingsworth is the kind of effeminate sap who thinks George Floyd was murdered and his family deserve 23 million dollars and Derek Chauvin  was the most evil cop in America.

    Completely unable to look at the facts. 

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #264 on: July 22, 2021, 07:24:20 PM »
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  • TT: 
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    The SSPX should discipline the priest, I would kick him out, who needs such a priest? 

    Yes, they should kick him out.  But they haven't.  Why is that, TT?  The SSPX is corrupt.

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #265 on: July 23, 2021, 07:39:51 AM »
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  • If the goal is to inform or warn people about this priest, that’s done. My observation is that the victims of the sspx have made a decision to bring up the perverse abuse over and over and over. It’s an attachment, I think. 
    EK: you are not what happened to you. You have suffered enough and I think it’s time you move on. What more can you say than what has been said? 
    I think you should take Fr. Fullerton’s advice and lift this up to God. Our lady can help you as well. You have not suffered any more than anyone in this world. We all have sorrows. You have been deceived to think about your past so much that it has crippled your present. You want to bring good from the bad that happened to you by fixing the sspx or destroying it or exposing it but that’s not your place. I’m so sorry for what happened to you. I’m so sorry that the leaders failed you. Forgive them and make peace with it. 


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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #266 on: July 23, 2021, 03:25:52 PM »
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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #267 on: July 24, 2021, 01:03:36 AM »
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  • Survivors don't leave their doors unlocked.

    Survivors don't get raped multiple times.

    Actions have consequences.

    You are not Amanda Berry and the priest is not Aerial Castro.   You are partly to blame for what happened to you.  You should have left at the first sign of trouble but you were flattered by the attention. 

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #268 on: July 24, 2021, 11:47:07 AM »
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  • TT: 
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    If I were directing a jury I would say this was a case of a young woman living in a fantasy who was taken advantage of by a predatory priest.

    OK, so be it.  So when are you and other CI members going to call out SSPX for allowing this "predatory priest" to take advantage of her, if that was the case?  When are you going to acknowledge that SSPX leaders behaved exactly as the Novus Ordo does?  When are you going to admit that SSPX hierarchy treated Arzuaga with kid gloves and allowed him to continue in "ministry" under their auspices as a priest in good standing? 

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    Re: SSPX Scandal from the Remnant.
    « Reply #269 on: July 24, 2021, 03:42:57 PM »
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  • TT:
    OK, so be it.  So when are you and other CI members going to call out SSPX for allowing this "predatory priest" to take advantage of her, if that was the case?  When are you going to acknowledge that SSPX leaders behaved exactly as the Novus Ordo does?  When are you going to admit that SSPX hierarchy treated Arzuaga with kid gloves and allowed him to continue in "ministry" under their auspices as a priest in good standing?

    I certainly am not going to call out the SSPX about the situation. There's no actual proof that Miss Kauffman was taken advantage of. She probably doesn't even have a "child." She likely made that up.

    You can believe what you want to, but we don't have to believe Erica Kauffman.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29