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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
« on: July 04, 2018, 05:15:57 AM »
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    • SSPX prevented from celebrating Mass at Knock Shrine
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    posted Wednesday, 20 Sep 2017

    Knock Shrine (Pixabay)
    Authorities stopped them celebrating Mass on Shrine property as they are in an 'irregular canonical relationship' with the Church
    The Society of St Pius X was informed it could not celebrate Mass at the Knock Shrine in Ireland last Saturday as it is in an “irregular canonical relationship” with the Church.
    In a statement, the Shrine said security were alerted on Saturday morning to members of the SSPX setting up marquees in the North car park to celebrate Mass without permission. They were told they could not do so.
    “As the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) has an irregular canonical relationship with the Catholic Church, they are not allowed to celebrate Mass publicly at the Shrine or on Shrine grounds,” the Shrine said, adding: “They are most welcome to pray the Rosary, Stations of the Cross and other prayers.”
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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
    « Reply #1 on: July 04, 2018, 05:20:12 AM »
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    • Just like there was no place in the inn for Christ in Bethlehem, so there was no place for those faithful to the Tradition of the Church at Knock this past Saturday. The Knock Shrine authorities should be ashamed of themselves! Rector, Fr. Richard Gibbons, had no problem allowing an “ecuмenical service” last January in the Saint John’s Rest and Care Centre at the Shrine. Neither did he have any problem with the assistance of “Reverend Canon” Derek Swann of the Church of Ireland, the Presbyterian “Reverend” Molly Deatherage and a Muslim representative, Manar Cherbatji, at a 2014 Peace Mass at Knock. He even had his photograph taken with them on the occasion:
    Knock Rector, Father Richard Gibbons, centre of photograph, sandwiched between his Bishop and the “Reverend” Molly after the “Peace” Mass, 2014.

    Also in 2014, Father Gibbons was content to conduct a joint ecuмenical service in the Knock Shrine Basilica with the Church of Ireland “Bishop” of Tuam, Killala and Achonry, “Dr.” Patrick Cooke in August of that year to celebrate the 190 years of the Royal National Lifeboat Association. On this occasion, as the Irish Catholic reported, Father Gibbons went the extra mile … “Dr.” Cooke led the celebration, while Father Gibbons was his assistant!
    Conclusion? Father Gibbons cordially invites Anglicans, Presbyterians and Muslims, who do not accept the Church’s infallible teachings on the Blessed Virgin Mary, to participate in, and even lead services on the site where Our Lady appeared. But, he does not allow the Society of Saint Pius X and those faithful who assist at their Masses to even say the Rosary as a group on the same site, despite their obvious love for the Mother of God. Shame on him!
    To contact Father Gibbons to protest against this injustice, call: (094) 93 88100 or email: frgibbons@knock-shrine.ie
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    Re: SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
    « Reply #2 on: July 04, 2018, 09:51:07 AM »
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    • People should not protest this at all.

    Shame on you for even suggesting it.

    I am in the resistance in Ireland, not the Conciliar SSPX. The vast majority of our faithful have nothing to do with the SSPX. That the SSPX received this refusal is a just punishment for their turning over to Pope Francis.

    The Knock Shrine auhtorities have simply not caught up to the fact that the SSPX is in the Conciliar apparatus already. If they called Rome, they would be told that.
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    Re: SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
    « Reply #3 on: July 05, 2018, 12:02:31 PM »
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    • So when was the last time that Holy Rosary was prayed or there was a "Resistance" Mass at Knock Shrine?   

    You should be ashamed of  your silence and lukewarmness.  You are making the mistake the SSPX made the first....

    Real Catholics fight and die for the faith.  Real Catholics spread the real Gospel of Jesus Christ.  

    Who are you to judge those people who were persecuted?   These were CATHOLICS making a pilgrimage to a Catholic Shrine. They were persecuted by sinful heretics.   No Catholic deserves to be persecuted.  




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    Re: SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
    « Reply #4 on: July 05, 2018, 01:40:21 PM »
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    • The Holy Mass, the True Mass, should not be said in a place of sacrilege such as a Novus Ordo church is.  Nor should it be said on a Novus Ordo altar.  These churches are desecrated and need to be blessed again in a happier day.  Part of the problem of the SSPX has always been that Church rubrics and laws such as these are mere annoyances to them, and they boldly go where angels fear to tread.  With such a cavalier approach, no wonder God is not blessing them.
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    Re: SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
    « Reply #5 on: July 05, 2018, 02:38:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on July 05, 2018, 01:40:21 PM
    The Holy Mass, the True Mass, should not be said in a place of sacrilege such as a Novus Ordo church is.  Nor should it be said on a Novus Ordo altar.  These churches are desecrated and need to be blessed again in a happier day.  Part of the problem of the SSPX has always been that Church rubrics and laws such as these are mere annoyances to them, and they boldly go where angels fear to tread.  With such a cavalier approach, no wonder God is not blessing them.

    Bp. Fellay acts as if he has license to celebrate Holy Mass anywhere.

    He celebrated Mass at the deconsecrated Catholic Church below in 2016. 

    It had been turned into an art academy.
    The tabernacle was gutted and most interestingly, there was a Star-of-David emblem over the sanctuary.

    SAN FRANCISCO / Closed church gets life after / Academy of Art University will purchase landmark S.F. building from archdiocese


    Photo: Brant Ward

    St. Brigid as seen from a traffic island on Van Ness Avenue. The grand stone structure now maybe sold and removed. St. Brigid Catholic Church at the corners of Van Ness Avenue and Broadway has been closed for over ten years. The church says it would be too expensive to pay for seismic upgrades. The historic church is being leased to an art academy.
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    Re: SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
    « Reply #6 on: July 10, 2018, 02:59:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: St.Patrick on July 04, 2018, 09:51:07 AM
    People should not protest this at all.

    Shame on you for even suggesting it.

    I am in the resistance in Ireland, not the Conciliar SSPX. The vast majority of our faithful have nothing to do with the SSPX. That the SSPX received this refusal is a just punishment for their turning over to Pope Francis.

    The Knock Shrine auhtorities have simply not caught up to the fact that the SSPX is in the Conciliar apparatus already. If they called Rome, they would be told that.

    For a few years now I have witnessed what this 'resistance' has done to the few remaining churches that celebrate the traditional Latin Mass in Ireland. I have no doubt they do the work of the Devil, divide and conquer. I have attended a SSPX chapel now for many years and I never heard one word of modernism preached from the pulpit. As a Catholic I am obliged by Christ's command to recognise Peter, no matter who he is, as head of the Catholic Church. So too are all priests calling themselves Catholic and that includes the SSPX. That is the structure Christ himself chose when founding His Church. That said, I, and every priest of the SSPX that I know, are horrified at what he says and does, and if I was paid I would not go to see him in Dublin this August.

    Then there is the 'resistance'. Now if anybody reading this wants to see what these people are like, just read the above from someone calling himself St Patrick. Now think on what Jesus asks his followers to do and ask yourself if this is what Jesus would say about a group of Catholics who, every year, travel to Knock to celebrate the unbloody sacrifice in the Church of the Apparition, the very place the miracle of Knock happened, and to say the rosary? 'Shame on them.' My wife was one of them and I tell you she and all those with her are no 'conciliar SSPXs.' I have seen these resistance people spread their HATRED among elderly and even families, causing them to leave their churches and their daily Masses and devotions, offering them instead a Mass in a hotel room or some such unconsecrated and unholy place. Imagine the effect such a REJECTION of a church Mass has on children? Surely one's Catholicism as a child is formed among fellow Catholics at their churches, not in hotel rooms.

    Don't mind them Viva, you are perfectly right in what you say.
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    Re: SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
    « Reply #7 on: July 10, 2018, 03:06:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on July 10, 2018, 02:59:26 PM
    For a few years now I have witnessed what this 'resistance' has done to the few remaining churches that celebrate the traditional Latin Mass in Ireland. I have no doubt they do the work of the Devil, divide and conquer. I have attended a SSPX chapel now for many years and I never heard one word of modernism preached from the pulpit. As a Catholic I am obliged by Christ's command to recognise Peter, no matter who he is, as head of the Catholic Church. So too are all priests calling themselves Catholic and that includes the SSPX. That is the structure Christ himself chose when founding His Church. That said, I, and every priest of the SSPX that I know, are horrified at what he says and does, and if I was paid I would not go to see him in Dublin this August.

    Then there is the 'resistance'. Now if anybody reading this wants to see what these people are like, just read the above from someone calling himself St Patrick. Now think on what Jesus asks his followers to do and ask yourself if this is what Jesus would say about a group of Catholics who, every year, travel to Knock to celebrate the unbloody sacrifice in the Church of the Apparition, the very place the miracle of Knock happened, and to say the rosary? 'Shame on them.' My wife was one of them and I tell you she and all those with her are no 'conciliar SSPXs.' I have seen these resistance people spread their HATRED among elderly and even families, causing them to leave their churches and their daily Masses and devotions, offering them instead a Mass in a hotel room or some such unconsecrated and unholy place. Imagine the effect such a REJECTION of a church Mass has on children? Surely one's Catholicism as a child is formed among fellow Catholics at their churches, not in hotel rooms.

    Don't mind them Viva, you are perfectly right in what you say.
    Are you aware this is a resistance web forum? Where do you get off posting attacks on the remnant Catholics like this?
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    Re: SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
    « Reply #8 on: July 10, 2018, 04:14:17 PM »
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    • I don't know where cassini has seen 'hatred' spread by the resistance, the resistance was born of changes witnessed in the SSPX, by sincere people who want to protect the Faith of our Fathers, if you wanted, you could apply the same accusation to ABL, whose only 'crime' was protecting the Faith, yet he stood against the Pope, but continued to pray for him, and as far as I know, the resistance continue to pray for the Pope, there is no room for hatred in the hearts of Catholics, in fact, I have found more resentment against people of resistance, than I have ever found in the resistance against people who remained, but remember this, Faith is not about numbers.
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    Re: SSPX Persecuted at Knock Shrine
    « Reply #9 on: July 11, 2018, 04:16:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: stgobnait on July 10, 2018, 04:14:17 PM
    I don't know where cassini has seen 'hatred' spread by the resistance, the resistance was born of changes witnessed in the SSPX, by sincere people who want to protect the Faith of our Fathers, if you wanted, you could apply the same accusation to ABL, whose only 'crime' was protecting the Faith, yet he stood against the Pope, but continued to pray for him, and as far as I know, the resistance continue to pray for the Pope, there is no room for hatred in the hearts of Catholics, in fact, I have found more resentment against people of resistance, than I have ever found in the resistance against people who remained, but remember this, Faith is not about numbers.
    Thank you.
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