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SSPX on Opus Dei
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2011, 10:13:51 PM »
Quote from: Belloc
We trust that he is in heaven, but we cannot possibly regard as a saint this herald of Vatican II, who preached naturalism and indifferentism as early as 1928... .


If this is true, how does Fr. Scott explain the following, as Pius XII was hardly a "herald of VCII" himself...

http://www.josemariaescriva.info/article/st-josemaria-and-pope-pius-xii

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Pope Pius XII had received Alvaro del Portillo twice, and also, separately, the law professors José Orlandis and Salvador Canals; as well as the scientist José Maria Albareda, whose intellectual capacity the Pope found amazing. Not only had Pope Pius XII met several members of the Work, but since 1943 he had prayed for its founder by name and had a copy of The Way among his books. It was time to prepare for the first audience of the Pope with Father Escriva, which took place on 16th July 1946.

In a private conversation, Father Escriva explained to the Pope what Opus Dei was and what it was not. After their conversation Pius XII asked the people concerned to resume the juridical studies which finally resulted in a new apostolic constitution, Provida Mater Ecclesia, opening the way for Secular Institutes to be established. As a Secular Institute, Opus Dei could have a definite canonical status within the Church. It was not a perfect formula because members of Opus Dei neither practised nor were intended to practise the “state of perfection” which the Secular Institutes take on. Even so, in some way, total self-dedication by lay people who did not change their state in life, job or place in the world, was given a formal blessing, which was something totally new at that stage.

When Pius XII also published the Decretum Laudis approving Opus Dei, barely three weeks later, Father Escriva had achieved recognition of the universal call to holiness which the Work promotes for men and women, priests and lay people alike, in one and the same vocation with no grades, no differences, no ranks and no hierarchy...

Pius XII perceived a splendid panorama: the personal holiness and personal apostolate which Opus Dei could spread all over the earth. He also noted Father Escriva’s spiritual stature, and the divine scope of his foundation, to which Pope Pius himself was to give definitive approval on 16th June 1950. A short while later the Pope said to Cardinal Norman Gilroy from Sydney, Australia that he had been profoundly impressed by a recent visit from Father Escriva. “He is a real saint, a man sent by God for our times” (é un vero santo, un uomo mandato da Dio per i nostri tempi). There was no inkling then of the bitter hours, the tremendous suffering which Father Escriva would have to endure under his pontificate, though none of it was the Pope’s doing. ..

Two days later Pius XII again received him in a private audience. On the 16th of the same month, in another letter to Madrid, Father Escriva pointed out: “Don’t you forget it was during the octave of the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady when the Roman ‘solution’ began to take shape.” The founder had discovered that the Holy See was not just willing but anxious to grant the approval of Opus Dei as soon as possible. It was better to make the most of this opportunity, even though it was to be a stop-gap solution. So the negotiations continued. (…)

SSPX on Opus Dei
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2011, 10:14:32 PM »
Quote from: Telesphorus
A sacristan once said, I believe, that the SSPX does not use the relics of those canonized by John Paul II and Benedict XVI.


I find it hard to believe the Society would not use relics of St. Pio if given the opportunity...


SSPX on Opus Dei
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2011, 05:09:29 AM »
Quote from: stevusmagnus
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
There is so much deception through the years that the
opus dei is a conservative Orthodox religious association.
One point put forward is that that Escriva personally
begged Paul VI for the use of the Tridentine Mass, in
which Paul VI refused permission.
For years I was deceived that the opus dei is a
conservative and orthodox religious association of
Roman Catholics.  It was not until the internet when I
saw that it was not true.


Do you have a source for the Paul VI story?

I had always heard that St. JM asked for and received a personal celebret to say the TLM himself.


I remember the information from my NO days in which
I was study reader of the Wanderer, and the Catholic
Register. This was long before the internet.
I remember in an article on the opus dei that is was
mentioned that Escriva requested in a personal
audience with Paul VI that his society be granted
the right to celebrate the old mass and was denied.
The denial caused him much sadness, because Paul Vl
gave an indult to the English.
I cannot remember the date, nor the issue. It just
sticks in my mind after all these years.
It cannot be to hard to find it on the internet.

SSPX on Opus Dei
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2011, 06:48:52 AM »
Very interesting. I wonder if this was before or after the Society affair in the early 70's...

SSPX on Opus Dei
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2011, 01:02:52 PM »
Quote from: stevusmagnus
Very interesting. I wonder if this was before or after the Society affair in the early 70's...


I read the article sometime in the 1980's.