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SSPX: Is the New Mass "Legitimate"?
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    Is the
    NEW MASS LEGIT?


    5-25-2011

    Pope Paul VI published
    on April 3, 1969 the Apostolic Constitution, Missale Romanum that supposedly promulgated the Novus Ordo Missae; but was this a legitimate act?
     
    Universae Ecclesiae is the name of a recent Instruction which provides some precious clarifications on the four-year-old Summorum Pontificuм, which signaled the liberation of the Mass of All Time. The Pope’s intention is that the Mass may receive “full citizenship” in the Church today, and not be ostracized as it has been in the last four years by the diktat of omnipotent episcopal conferences which reveal a rather loose conception of Catholic obedience. Time will tell whether they will toe the Roman line or do as they have done so far. Here we would like to expand only on #19 which states:

    The faithful who ask for the celebration of the forma extraordinaria must not in any way support or belong to groups which show themselves to be against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria or against the Roman Pontiff as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church.

    By so doing, the Instruction attacks any group of faithful doctrinally attached to the Mass of All Time even if they recognize in principle that the New Mass is valid. There may be nothing new under the Roman sun, but this docuмent affords us the chance to go over the reasons why Archbishop Lefebvre always contested the legitimacy of the liturgical revolution of 1969. We will show this in three ways, of increasing importance: the legal aspect, the historical context, and the dogmatic context.

    A. The legality of the New Mass

    A law is legitimate only when it is duly promulgated by the lawfully constituted authority. But to this condition must be added another of supreme importance and essential to make it a law: it must be for the common good.1 And precisely on this score, the Novus Ordo Missae (NOM) is most defective as was attested at the time of its promulgation by no less than Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci:
     
     
    It is clear that the Novus Ordo no longer intends to present the Faith as taught by the Council of Trent… It represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session 22 of the Council of Trent. The “canons” of the rite definitively fixed at that time erected an insurmountable barrier against any heresy which might attack the integrity of the mystery.2
     
    The legal aspect here does not address so much the question of the suppression of the Old Mass, since its continuous existence was supported not only by the general norms of the new Code, (can. 20) but was openly admitted by Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificuм. Rather, the legal question we wish to study deals with the juridical validity of the promulgation of the NOM. Here, we are largely indebted to Itinéraires, the magazine of Jean Madiran, which was the French voice of Tradition years before the liturgical changes.

    We need to look at the Apostolic Constitution Missale Romanum (April 3, 1969) which allegedly promulgated the NOM.3 Most of the docuмent describes the novelties and the final part never declares clearly what the Pope commands, forbids, or concedes. As to the final “Nonobstant”, it is too generic to pretend to abrogate the perfectly clear legislative act of St. Pius V who promulgated the Mass of All Time. It appears that Paul VI never wanted to render his missal mandatory, with a truly juridical obligation. Why?

    Itinéraires could say as early as 1970 that the future was already present: a constant process of mutation. Changed were the “original” edition of the Institutio Generalis (see below regarding the theological aspect), and the editio typica [typical edition―Ed.] of the NOM rite within months. The Apostolic Constitution in its second Latin edition was enriched with a new paragraph drawn from the French/Italian version, as we are to explain presently.4

    The original Constitution concluded rather innocently with: “From all that has been said so far regarding the New Roman Missal, in the end, we are now pleased to draw a conclusion.”5 But, sensing that something was missing, the French and Italian translators (not to speak of other versions) boldly modified the text making it say: “We want (placet!) to give force of law (cogere et efficere!) to everything (quiddam!) which we have exposed above regarding the new Roman Missal.”

    The same translators also completed the authentic Latin text of the Apostolic Constitution, adding: “We order that the prescriptions of this Constitution become effective on November 30th of this year, the First Sunday of Advent.”6 Both these modifications and additions objectively constitute a forgery. This alone manifests the essential problem of a Constitution which some wish to be mandatory, but which, in its authentic tenure, is not.

    The question remains why Pope Paul VI seemed to substitute in fact another law to one which he did not abrogate by right. Worse is the other stunning question: why did he not say clearly that he did not want to abrogate the other? Why leave the minds of confused priests and laymen in the agonizing doubt that everything was taking place then as if the authors (which ones?) were imposing an obligation while letting you free to believe the opposite?

    B. The Historical Context

    Cardinal Gut, the Prefect who presided over the liturgical reform, gave a revealing insight into the pressure which led the Pope to promote the New Mass:
     

    We hope that, now, with the new dispositions, contained in the docuмents, this sickness of experimentation will come to a stop. Until now, the bishops had the right to authorize experiments but, sometimes, such limits have been trespassed and many priests simply did what they wanted. Then, what happened is that, sometimes, they imposed themselves. One could not, very often, stop these initiatives taken without authorization because they had gone too far. In his great goodness and in his wisdom the Holy Father yielded, often against his will.7
     
     
    As any decent legislator would do, Paul VI, in establishing his liturgical reform, elucidated the motives of such drastic changes. Here they are:8

    The reform is an act of fidelity to the “demands” of Vatican II.

    It is meant to revive the languid and awaken the sleepy.

     It wishes to supplant the “opaque glass” of the old Mass by another which will be a “transparent crystal” for “the children, the youth, the workers, and businessmen.”

    It wishes to be “a resolute gymnastic of Christian sociology.”
     
    What about the “ecuмenical” motive? As strange as it appears, Paul VI never invoked this motive. This omission rightly raised the eyebrows of Protestants and Catholics alike who, unanimously, recognized it on every page of the Ordo. Said an intimate friend of the Pope, Jean Guitton:

    There was with Pope Paul VI an ecuмenical intention to remove, or at least to correct, or at least to relax, what was too Catholic, in the traditional sense, in the Mass and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist service...9
     
    Jean Guitton, friend and confidant of Pope Paul VI
     
     
    As to the motives given by the Holy Father, the most important would be the first, stating, in a democratic fashion, that this was the will of the conciliar bishops. He directs us to #50 of the liturgical decree [Sacrosanctum Concilium―Ed.]. But was it really so? The said paragraph recommends indeed in generic terms a certain revision of the Mass. Yet, when these 2000 bishops signed this paragraph, did they wish the suppression of the Offertory? Did they wish the addition of ad libitum new Canons to compete with the Roman Canon from the 3rd century? Did they want such ambiguous Ordinary texts of the Mass that these would immediately seem agreeable to men who have no faith in transsubstantiation, the sacrificial oblation, and the Catholic priesthood? No! Certainly, the Council never wanted such a revolution.

    In the same context of the end of that fatal year, 1969, we need to add a letter addressed to the Pope, utterly unnoticed by the press, signed by 6000 Spanish priests.10

    …We shall not speak of the doctrinal Catholic reasons; we could not expose them better than the docuмent A Brief Critical Study of the New Order of Mass, which Your Holiness has recently received, accompanied by a letter signed by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci, and which one would need to refute in details according to the doctrine of the Council of Trent if one wished to prove the orthodoxy of the Novus Ordo.
     
     We shall not speak of this, but we shall bring up the Protestant reasons. Mr. Max Thurian affirms in La Croix of May 30, 1969 that, with the Novus Ordo “non Catholic communities will be able to celebrate the Last Supper with the same prayers as the Catholic Church. Theologically this is possible.”
     

     Thus, if the celebration by a Protestant is theologically possible, this means that the Novus Ordo expresses no dogma with which the Protestants are in disagreement. But the first of these dogmas is the Real Presence, essence and center of the Mass of St. Pius V. Could a Protestant pastor celebrate the Novus Ordo if he was to perform the consecration in the intention used by the Catholic Church? “Lex orandi, lex credendi”: the liturgy is the highest expression of our faith. Where shall we go if, in the best of cases, the Mass silences the Catholic truths? If the good people, with no knowledge and against their will, are thrown into heresy, as long as they preserve the Christian morals (unfortunately, they do not), they will save their soul. But this will not be the case of those who will have pushed them into it. Most Holy Father, we do not want to endure this responsibility. This is why we boldly address this letter to you, after we begged of you in a previous one (November 5, 1969) to allow the universal Church to preserve the Mass of St. Pius V together with that of the Novus Ordo.

    In the name of the Pope, some Roman authority (which one?) demanded total submission and blind obedience from all these most devoted priests. The strangest thing is that none of them reacted and nothing was heard anymore of this tyrannical act. Moreover, an Italian committee was gathering signatures to petition Paul VI to abrogate the NOM. Behold the judgment proffered by Vatican Radio: “Do you wish to be sure of disobeying the Pope: sign!”11 Hence, whoever dares to make a petition to the Pope is in the state of disobedience! This idiotic idolatry to the goddess of false obedience, unheard of during twenty centuries of the Church, raised no protest.
     
    This cowardly servility reigns almost universally: it is the sentiment of most cardinals who dare neither speak to the Pope nor ask anything from him, not even to beg: they would be tagged disobedient to the Pope, and they accept this slavish tyranny. Is it not true that where truth and justice cease to be upheld, arbitrary despotism reigns, with no basis and no limits? Does not the statement of Louis Veuillot [author of The Liberal Illusion―Ed.] express aptly the mindset of many a churchman: “there is no one more sectarian than a liberal.”
     
    C. The Theological Context

    We have already alluded to the underlying dogmatic truths which the NOM has silenced or covered in ambiguous terms, so as to please heretical communities. These half-truths (and half-errors) were markedly expressed in what can only be called the definition of the NOM: “The Lord’s Supper, or Mass, is a sacred synaxis, or assembly of the people of God gathered together under the presidency of the priest to celebrate the memorial of the Lord.”12 This text was found so offensive and raised such a worldwide uproar that Rome had to come up with something less heterodox. They revised the definition into something less heretical, but did not touch anything in the rite itself, the perfect expression of the early definition. Yet, this definition and this rite omits or denies the three doctrines which are at very heart of the Mass: the priest who, by his sacerdotal character, is alone capable of consecrating the Eucharist; the propitiatory sacrifice of the Mass; and the real and substantial presence of the Victim of Calvary through transubstantiation.
     

     The SSPX has presented a book to the attention of Rome, The Problem of the Liturgical Reform. It explains how the new Mass is the plain expression of underlying principles drawn from the theology of the Paschal Mystery [NB: this refers to the false interpretation of the Paschal Mystery as found in the NOM, as opposed to the correct one expressed in all of the traditional liturgical rites―Ed.]. Here are the book’s conclusions:13

    The propitiatory aspect of the Mass has been effaced from the new missal because the Paschal Mystery holds that there is no debt to be paid in order to satisfy divine justice offended by sin. But, by refusing to see that the Redemption includes the act by which Christ paid to God the entire debt of pain incurred by our sins (the doctrine of vicarious satisfaction), the theology of the Paschal Mystery sets itself in opposition to a truth of the Catholic Faith.
     
    The structure of the new missal is that of a memorial meal that celebrates and proclaims the divine Covenant and not that of a Sacrifice. But, by considering the Mass as a sacrifice only insofar as it is a memorial which contains “in mysterio” the sacrifice of the Cross, the theology of the Paschal Mystery weakens the visibility of the sacrifice as taught by the Church, and can no longer “vere et proprie”—truly and properly—designate the Mass as a sacrifice. This cannot do justice to a truth of Faith, and seems thereby to incur the condemnation pronounced by the Council of Trent as regards the “Nuda commemoratio”—mere commemoration.

    The New Mass has displaced Christ the Priest and Victim, and replaced it with the Kyrios who communicates Himself to the assembly, making the Eucharist no longer a visible sacrifice but rather a mysterious symbol of Christ’s death and resurrection. Insofar as it rests upon philosophies of the symbolic type, this notion of sacrament cannot be reconciled with the Church’s doctrine on the sacraments. Because this notion corrupts the branches of theology where it is introduced, it is dangerous for the Faith.

    Now, even if one wanted to contest the heretical elements of the New Mass, the sole refusal to profess Catholic dogmas quintessential to the Mass renders the new liturgy deficient. It is like a captain who refuses to provide his shipmen with a proper diet. They soon become sick with scurvy due, not so much to direct poison, as from vitamin deficiency. Such is the new Mass. At best, it provides a deficient spiritual diet to the faithful. The correct definition of evil—lack of a due good—clearly shows that the New Mass is evil in and of itself regardless of the circuмstances. It is not evil by positive profession of heresy. It is evil by lacking what Catholic dogma should profess: the True Sacrifice, the Real Presence, the ministerial priesthood. This deficiency had already been denounced by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci months before the New Mass was promulgated:

    The recent reforms have amply demonstrated that new changes in the liturgy could not be made without leading to complete bewilderment of the faithful, who already show an indubitable lessening of their faith. Among the best of the clergy, the result is an agonizing crisis of conscience, numberless instances of which come to our notice daily.14
     

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    Footnotes
    1 Michiels, Normae generales Juris Canonici (1929), p. 486, and in The Problem of the Liturgical Reform, Angelus Press (2001), p. 106.
    2 The Ottaviani Intervention, p. 28, TAN Books (1992); cf. the PDF.
    3 Itinéraires, #140, pp.39-2, February 1970.
    4 Ibidem, p. 45.
    5 "Ad extremum, ex iis quae hactenus de novo Missali Romano exposuimus, QUIDDAM nunc COGERE et EFFICERE placet."
    6 Our version for the French, published from La salle de Presse du Saint Siège (sic, in Docuмentation Catholique, n. 1541, June 1, 1969, col. 1 initio).
    7 Docuм. Cathol. n.1551, Nov. 16 1969, p.1048. col. 2.
    8 L'Osservatore Romano (Italian Ed.) of November 20-27.
    9 December 19, 1993 in Apropos (17), p. 8ff. In Most Asked Questions About the Society of St. Pius X [online version on this site], Angelus Press (2011), p. 39.
    10 December 11, 1969, Priestly Association of St. Anthony Mary Claret; see Itinéraires, #140, pp. 32 ff.
    11 La Croix, Jan 6, 1969, quoted by J. Mardiran in Itinéraires, #141, p. 9.
    12 Institutio Generalis, §7, 1969 version.
    13 The Problem of the Liturgical Reform, Angelus Press (2001), pp.80-98 passim.
    14 The Ottaviani Intervention, p. 28, Tan Books (1992).
     
     


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    SSPX: Is the New Mass "Legitimate"?
    « Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 10:11:18 AM »
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  • Looks like they think it's a heretical service filled with evil to me. So why would it be considered a valid Catholic Mass?
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 10:16:52 AM »
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  • Presenting a book to BXVI about the undesirability of the liturgical changes, the abuses, etc., is like presenting a book to Satan about the mistreatment of the inhabitants of Hell.  He already knows all about the NOM, etc., and has no real problems with it (unless something occurs that offends his refined taste).

    The man was at V2 in a suit and tie, people.  He still entertains Hans Kung from time to time.  He was a member of the avant garde -- not a conservative who was horrified to see the changes which followed V2.
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    « Reply #3 on: May 27, 2011, 08:30:30 AM »
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    Looks like they think it's a heretical service filled with evil to me. So why would it be considered a valid Catholic Mass?


    Really?

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    It is not evil by positive profession of heresy.


    Validity has nothing to do with whether the particular Mass is sacrilegeous, evil etc.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 27, 2011, 08:36:19 AM »
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    Presenting a book to BXVI about the undesirability of the liturgical changes, the abuses, etc., is like presenting a book to Satan about the mistreatment of the inhabitants of Hell.  He already knows all about the NOM, etc., and has no real problems with it (unless something occurs that offends his refined taste).

    The man was at V2 in a suit and tie, people.  He still entertains Hans Kung from time to time.  He was a member of the avant garde -- not a conservative who was horrified to see the changes which followed V2.


    You're apparently treating Society Trads as if they are Neo-Caths, thus betraying the fact that you truly have no grasp as to our position.

    Do you think your last paragraph is news to anyone? That said, you again, in your mere two sentences of thought, fail to make distinctions. The Pope is not in objection to VCII and the NOM, however he has been horrified at the way in which the liturgy has been "abused" in the post-conciliar period and how VCII has been misinterpreted to allow things it was never meant to. Thus he IS a conservative in the sense the term is used today in Catholic circles, as he supports a conservative interpretation and application of the Council and NOM by the book with no allowance for deviation as we see all the time from the libs.

    Your view, as is typical of sedes and conspiracists, falls into a simplistic black/ white paradigm where BXVI can only be either a flaming arch-heretic Modernist diabolical Satanic puppet and anti-pope or else else barely one level below the Virgin Mary and Solomon in holiness and wisdom of governance if he were to be a true Pope.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 27, 2011, 09:18:28 AM »
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    Do you think your last paragraph is news to anyone? That said, you again, in your mere two sentences of thought, fail to make distinctions. The Pope is not in objection to VCII and the NOM, however he has been horrified at the way in which the liturgy has been "abused" in the post-conciliar period and how VCII has been misinterpreted to allow things it was never meant to. Thus he IS a conservative in the sense the term is used today in Catholic circles, as he supports a conservative interpretation and application of the Council and NOM by the book with no allowance for deviation as we see all the time from the libs.


    Benedict is a conservative? Benedict is horrified at the way the liturgy has been abused? What is the basis for these illogical conclusions? He may be against abortion but he invited President Obama -the most liberal of all libs- to the Vatican. He uses gαy flags. He's not a conservative. He's a neo-con and a modernist. Furthermore, Benedict cannot be horrified by what Vatican II did to the liturgy. He says that the TLM and NO (or "EF" and "OF" as he calls it) are equally valid and one of the same rite. He has no problems with the Novus Ordo and has made that quite clear. He's just going to combine them to please both sides and make it to where there will be no form to choose from.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 27, 2011, 09:26:41 AM »
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  • A "conservative" is precisely a "Neo-Cath" in today's Catholic terminology. The Pope is pro VCII revolution, but he only wants it to go so far. But the nature of revolutions is that they do not stop, but go all the way.

    Is the Pope "Traditional"? Excepting for his private taste for the TLM, no.

    He is a liberal in the sense of the term back in the pre-VCII Church. The "liberals" then became the Neo-Caths or conservatives of today. The looney libs today are beyond liberal.

    He supports the NOM as he says it in St. Peter's. Latin, chant, incense, ad orientam on occassion, kneeling to receive on the tongue, etc. He likes his revolution moderate with cream and sugar and not black like Hans Kung.

    He has been very appalled at the liberal abuses to the NOM in the nane of VCII. He decries these from time to time. He called the state of the NO "fabricated liturgy" as Cardinal. He has rejected the hermeneutic of rupture used by libs of today to interpret VCII as a rejection of all rules and Tradition.

    Again distinctions are important. BXVI is a highly intelligent and complex man, not just some simpleton. As such you need to understand him and what he's about to be able to correctly categeorize him. No he's not a Society Trad, but on the other hand, to rashly assume he is a modern day progressive ala Mahoney and Kung is completely inaccurate and will lead you to false conclusions.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 27, 2011, 09:29:44 AM »
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    You're apparently treating Society Trads as if they are Neo-Caths, thus betraying the fact that you truly have no grasp as to our position.


    Please demonstrate how I am "treating SSPX-ers as if they are Neo-Caths"...

    Until you do so, the bit that follows is both inaccurate and meaningless.

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    Do you think your last paragraph is news to anyone?


    No, but we all need reminders from time to time.
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  • I never said nor implied he is a Mahoney or Kung. He's obviously better than both of them, but he still isn't what I would call conservative, much less Traditional. His "corrections" to the Novus Ordo are merely an attempt to combine the TLM with the NO. That being said, however, he has apparently repented for some of the mistakes he commited years ago.
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    The Pope is pro VCII revolution, but he only wants it to go so far. But the nature of revolutions is that they do not stop, but go all the way.


    Do you believe BXVI does not understand the nature of revolutions?

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    He likes his revolution moderate with cream and sugar and not black like Hans Kung.


    Which do you think is more dangerous in the practical order?
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    I never said nor implied he is a Mahoney or Kung.


    No one has or will, but it provided stevie a chance to show he is adept at making distinctions.
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    « Reply #11 on: May 27, 2011, 09:41:05 AM »
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    You're apparently treating Society Trads as if they are Neo-Caths, thus betraying the fact that you truly have no grasp as to our position.


    Please demonstrate how I am "treating SSPX-ers as if they are Neo-Caths"...

    Until you do so, the bit that follows is both inaccurate and meaningless.



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    The man was at V2 in a suit and tie, people.  He still entertains Hans Kung from time to time.  He was a member of the avant garde -- not a conservative who was horrified to see the changes which followed V2.


    Neo-Caths see BXVI as a conservative who was horrified to see the changes which followed. SSPXers understand he was a pre-VCII lib who supported VCII and the NOM in principle although he was distrubed by some of the extreme liberal experimentation of the NOM and interpretation of VCII.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 27, 2011, 09:44:57 AM »
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    The Pope is pro VCII revolution, but he only wants it to go so far. But the nature of revolutions is that they do not stop, but go all the way.


    Do you believe BXVI does not understand the nature of revolutions?


    I believe he does understand the nature of revolutions.

    Now ask me if I think he sees VCII as a revolution.

    Do you see how painfully slow this question by question approach is? What would it take for you to actually spell out your case, thus saving 5-6 steps of one line Q&A's? Can I appeal at least to some sort of desire for efficiency?

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    He likes his revolution moderate with cream and sugar and not black like Hans Kung.


    Which do you think is more dangerous in the practical order?


    No telling. The French revolution went all the way and caused untold horrors and damage. The VCII "revolution" is more subtle and gradually undermining over a longer period of time. Pick your poison!

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    « Reply #13 on: May 27, 2011, 09:46:34 AM »
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    I never said nor implied he is a Mahoney or Kung.


    No one has or will, but it provided stevie a chance to show he is adept at making distinctions.


    Nor did I ever say SS did, but it provided GV with a chance to get yet another non-substantive one-liner in.