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Offline Miser Peccator

Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2021, 02:21:24 PM »
Quote from: Mirari Vos on February 17, 2021, 11:02:03 AM

I’m not so sure if that could be a defense. Ignoring the questionable grounds that he believed “you can always just get an annulment", which would in fact have to be proved, I think the time factor of 25 years of marriage and not knowing that marriage is a permanent bond would be an insurmountable threshold to get past. He basically gave his consent for all of those years and would be laughed out of any real ecclesiastical court.
Yeah, I really don't know and didn't ask the canon lawyers at the time because I was fighting it.
Most people in the NO believe that divorce is fine and "you can always just get an annulment".
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Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2021, 02:37:47 PM »
Quote from: Mirari Vos on February 17, 2021, 11:02:03 AM

I’m not so sure if that could be a defense. Ignoring the questionable grounds that he believed “you can always just get an annulment", which would in fact have to be proved, I think the time factor of 25 years of marriage and not knowing that marriage is a permanent bond would be an insurmountable threshold to get past. He basically gave his consent for all of those years and would be laughed out of any real ecclesiastical court.
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This. The presumption is in favor the validity of the marriage. He can walk in and say, "I thought this or that on the day I got married," but good luck proving such a thing. That's why this sort of thing got you nowhere before Vatican 2.
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Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2021, 02:40:35 PM »
Quote from: Miser Peccator on February 17, 2021, 07:22:01 AM
In my case my "husband" was found to be "too immature".

He was 26, owned his own business as a financial planner, college grad, president of parish council.

Sigh.  Whatevs

If he "remarries" he won't have to prove he gained any maturity.

One thing I do wonder about is that I went into it with the understanding that divorce was not an option although separation would be if necessary for safety.

He went into it believing that divorce is an option and "you can always just get an annulment".

Did that belief keep him from giving full consent to the vows?

And who is responsible for leading him to believe such a thing?
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I am very sorry to hear this dreadful story. This is just one more example of how the whole purpose of the new "church" is to reward the wicked and persecute the good. Someone who wants to abandon his marriage is given their official blessing, and the spouse who believes in a Catholic notion of marriage is trampled underfoot and left abandoned for the rest of her life. And all of this is done with the official legal recognition of what they are claiming is the Catholic Church. These people's wickedness knows no bounds.
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Offline Miser Peccator

Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2021, 02:47:34 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on February 17, 2021, 02:37:47 PM
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This. The presumption is in favor the validity of the marriage. He can walk in and say, "I thought this or that on the day I got married," but good luck proving such a thing. That's why this sort of thing got you nowhere before Vatican 2.
True.
In my case he had told me that divorce and annulment was always an option and we had a discussion about it not being true with the priest and I thought it was settled.
I later learned that his Dad had a conversation with him about it the day before the wedding encouraging him to keep in mind that he could get an annulment if things don't work out.  His Dad had helped a friend of his get a declaration of nullity.
He is the kind of guy who can find a loophole for what he wants in life unfortunately.
We went to counselling many, many times over the years but if you have an "out" in your pocket, you aren't as motivated to try.
So who knows.  ::shrug::
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Offline Miser Peccator

Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2021, 02:49:54 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on February 17, 2021, 02:40:35 PM
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I am very sorry to hear this dreadful story. This is just one more example of how the whole purpose of the new "church" is to reward the wicked and persecute the good. Someone who wants to abandon his marriage is given their official blessing, and the spouse who believes in a Catholic notion of marriage is trampled underfoot and left abandoned for the rest of her life. And all of this is done with the official legal recognition of what they are claiming is the Catholic Church. These people's wickedness knows no bounds.
Thanks.  It's absolutely rampant unfortunately.
Mary's Advocates is a good place for abandoned spouses who are also abandoned by the Church.
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