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Offline Nadir

Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2021, 09:31:24 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on February 12, 2021, 05:26:43 PM
The whole scenario seems unlikely.
 
How would he not have children to support?
The marriage might have never been consummated.

And no alimony?  Ditto.

I guess it could happen, but there would also be a scandal factor of someone with a failed marriage.
An annulment is not a failed marriage.  Nor is it a scandal. It is simply not a marriage at all.

Then you'd also have to wonder how old someone would be by that time in his life.
You could have an annulment quite early in life.

Seminaries often have a maximum age at which they will accept a candidate.
The term used in the OP "annulled marriages" is an oxymoron. Maybe it should read 
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Are there SSPX, indult, or sedevacantist seminarians or priests with annulments, or do these groups not allow such men into the priesthood?
I doubt is there would be any canonical reason to refuse such a person to enter the seminary, rare though such an event would be.

St Francis Borgia, a widower and father of eight children, who took private vows until his children were independent and was ordained a priest. 
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2021, 09:21:15 AM »
Quote from: Yeti on February 12, 2021, 05:26:43 PM
The whole scenario seems unlikely. How would he not have children to support? And no alimony? I guess it could happen, but there would also be a scandal factor of someone with a failed marriage. Then you'd also have to wonder how old someone would be by that time in his life. Seminaries often have a maximum age at which they will accept a candidate.
There are divorced men who do not have children to support, and alimony is more or less an outdated concept.  Many marriages fail fairly soon after they take place (at least in the secular world), and the man would not necessarily be that old.

The "scandal factor" would probably be the most logical reason not to ordain such men.  I'd like to see Catholics be broad-minded enough to realize that Almighty God does not always call perfect men with perfect lives, but that might be a bridge too far.

And just to clarify, I am not asking for myself.  Even if I did perceive myself as having a vocation --- and keep in mind that no man is "called to the priesthood" until his bishop summons him forth on the day of ordination, that's the "vocation" part --- I am far too old for any seminary to take me, and I have responsibilities that won't vanish the day my son turns 18.  Very few families anymore turn their children out on the street anymore at age 18 and say "we've raised you, now you're on your own".                        
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Offline Nadir

Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2021, 03:04:55 PM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on February 13, 2021, 09:21:15 AM
There are divorced men who do not have children to support, and alimony is more or less an outdated concept.  Many marriages fail fairly soon after they take place (at least in the secular world), and the man would not necessarily be that old.

The "scandal factor" would probably be the most logical reason not to ordain such men.  I'd like to see Catholics be broad-minded enough to realize that Almighty God does not always call perfect men with perfect lives, but that might be a bridge too far.

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Geremia's question is about only annulment, not divorce. 
You and Yeti are confusing annulment with divorce.
See previous post:
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An annulment is not a failed marriage.  Nor is it a scandal. It is simply not a marriage at all.
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2021, 06:20:44 PM »
Quote from: Nadir on February 13, 2021, 03:04:55 PM
Geremia's question is about only annulment, not divorce.
You and Yeti are confusing annulment with divorce.
See previous post:
Thanks, but I'm not confusing anything.  Perhaps I should have been more explicit.  A divorced man with no annulment, and I know we all know this, is still married in the Eyes of God unless that marriage is declared null and void by the Keys of the Church.  I know this first-hand, as I am one of those men.  I refer only to men who have received this declaration of nullity.  They are not married and never were.  The Church requires a civil divorce (which does nothing but resolve property and child custody matters) before she will even consider an annulment.  Therefore all men with annulments have already been divorced.  Put another way, and I know we all know this as well, not all divorced men have annulments, but all men with annulments are divorced.  I just assumed this would be implicit in my comments.
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Offline Nadir

Re: SSPX, indult, sedevacantist seminarians, priests with annulled marriages?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2021, 08:44:55 PM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on February 13, 2021, 06:20:44 PM
Thanks, but I'm not confusing anything.  Perhaps I should have been more explicit.  A divorced man with no annulment, and I know we all know this, is still married in the Eyes of God unless that marriage is declared null and void by the Keys of the Church.  I know this first-hand, as I am one of those men.  I refer only to men who have received this declaration of nullity.  They are not married and never were.  The Church requires a civil divorce (which does nothing but resolve property and child custody matters) before she will even consider an annulment.  Therefore all men with annulments have already been divorced.  Put another way, and I know we all know this as well, not all divorced men have annulments, but all men with annulments are divorced.  I just assumed this would be implicit in my comments.
When you talked about divorce I read divorce and I think divorce and not annulment. They are not the same thing.

I have heard it said, only on CathInfo and nowhere else, that the Church requires a civil divorce, before considering annulment. Maybe that goes for the "American church", but I find it hard to believe that the Holy Roman Catholic Church requires that all men who have annulments must first go to the state to get a divorce.

Maybe you can show evidence for such requirement.
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