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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 07:59:48 PM »
Quote from: OABrownson1876 on March 08, 2026, 10:14:53 PM
Michelle and T.D., both of you are conflating several issues. What St. John the Baptist did or did not do is completely irrelevant to the subject of the necessity of the sacraments for salvation. In the case of our Lady the logic is simple:

Major: The sacraments are necessary for salvation for Catholics (Trent)
minor: The Mother of the Church (Mary) was a Catholic
Ergo:  The sacraments (baptism) are necessary for Mary

It is theologically certain that Mary was a Catholic. It is therefore theologically certain that she was baptized. Baptism imprints the character which marks the soul as it were. There is no need to overthink this point.
Very True.  Our Lady didn’t need a redeemer because She never had Original Sin.  But (in the Magnificat prayer) She calls Our Lord Her Savior because even though She was sinless, She still needed the grace of baptism and the baptismal character (ie wedding garment) to enter heaven.  
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Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 09:04:37 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 07:59:48 PM
Very True.  Our Lady didn’t need a redeemer because She never had Original Sin.  But (in the Magnificat prayer) She calls Our Lord Her Savior because even though She was sinless, She still needed the grace of baptism and the baptismal character (ie wedding garment) to enter heaven. 
Our Lady absolutely needed a Savior.  All the graces she received and her Immaculate Conception were paid for in advance by our Lord.  
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Offline OABrownson1876

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« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 09:09:52 PM »
Concerning the original post, It is virtuous to separate oneself from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ heretics, and the large majority of NO prelates, if they are not openly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, act like it.  And they certainly act like heretics.  Any effort to get "cozy with Rome" will lead to hell. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 09:37:13 PM »
Quote from: Michelle on Yesterday at 09:04:37 PM
Our Lady absolutely needed a Savior.  All the graces she received and her Immaculate Conception were paid for in advance by our Lord. 
That’s exactly what I said.  The act of Christ as a Redeemer is different from His act as a Savior.  
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Offline Twice dyed

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Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 10:00:36 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 09:37:13 PM
That’s exactly what I said.  The act of Christ as a Redeemer is different from His act as a Savior. 
Taylor Marshall says that Cornelius de Lapide referenced a docuмent from the 2 nd? Century, : "Christ baptized Mary."
Anybody know which doc he is mentioning. ?
Now, I really am in wonderment. !..?

  He also says Our Lady died, but the Assumption dogma only says "

"...of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin there are expressions that agree in testifying that, when the Virgin Mother of God passed from this earthly exile to heaven, what happened to her sacred body was, by the decree of divine Providence, in keeping with the dignity of the Mother of the Word Incarnate, and with the other privileges she had been accorded..."

****story has it that Pius XII was about to present the Assumption dogma where he had written "when the Blessed Virgin died...", his advisors prevented him from publishing that because; if the question of whether She died or not was still unresolved.. the Dogma could not contain an uncertainty... 

https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/apost_constitutions/docuмents/hf_p-xii_apc_19501101_munificentissimus-deus.html
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