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Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2026, 02:19:02 PM »
Theologians, even pre-Vatican II, said that Our Lady had to be baptized for two reasons, to become a member of the Catholic Church, and secondly, to receive the sacramental graces which flowed from any other sacraments she received. If you are not baptized, you cannot receive the other (sacraments) sacramental graces, in fact, you would receive the other sacraments sacrilegiously because you are not a member of the Church.

We do not know when Our Lady was baptized, but we presume it was obviously before the Last Supper, because she and all the other Catholics had to be baptized to receive the Holy Eucharist.
St. John the Baptist was sanctified in his mother's womb.
Baptism is the sacrament which takes away original sin and the Holy Spirit takes up His abode.
Our Lady did not have original sin and she was always the spouse of the Holy Spirit.
Our Lord wad baptized to sanctify the waters. 
Maybe our Lady was baptized?  I don't know but she was always a member of the Church because she is the Mother of the Church.

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Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2026, 02:30:14 PM »
Isn't there a saying that says something like this?:

God is not bound by the Sacraments.

Then Our Lord mentions:
The Sabbath was created for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Jacinta of Fatima received communion from the Angel, where in the world did the Host and Precious Blood come from? Had she made all the necessary studies to receive communion? 

When St. John the Baptist told the crowd they were to receive a baptism of fire, what is He saying ? 
Luke 3:16



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Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2026, 10:14:53 PM »
Michelle and T.D., both of you are conflating several issues. What St. John the Baptist did or did not do is completely irrelevant to the subject of the necessity of the sacraments for salvation. In the case of our Lady the logic is simple:

Major: The sacraments are necessary for salvation for Catholics (Trent)
minor: The Mother of the Church (Mary) was a Catholic
Ergo:   The sacraments (baptism) are necessary for Mary

It is theologically certain that Mary was a Catholic. It is therefore theologically certain that she was baptized. Baptism imprints the character which marks the soul as it were. There is no need to overthink this point. 


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https://fsspx.news/en/news/fr-pagliarani-answers-young-peoples-questions-about-decision-consecrate-bishops-57769
Feb. 7, 2026 ...Winter University, held at La Martinerie, near Châteauroux France

Excerpt: 
"...It is a torch that we keep burning for others as well, even for those who do not share our views, and even for those who are not Catholic. It matters not: one day, souls must be converted. But surely, someone must be there to preach the truth. Otherwise, to what would these souls convert?

   It is in this sense that we serve the Church, rather than defying her. To claim that the Society defies the Church is, in the final analysis, a very superficial interpretation. No: the Society rejects anything that destroys the Church.

   Now, regarding all these new ideas—and one could cite many examples—I will mention just one, a very concrete and very recent instance. A few days ago, on January 27th, h0Ɩ0cαųst Remembrance Day was observed—a day dedicated to the memory of the h0Ɩ0cαųst, the Shoah.

   On this occasion, the Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith—that is to say, the successor to the Holy Office, formerly known as the Roman Inquisition; the name has changed, but it remains that same doctrinal tribunal of the Holy See, an institution that still exists today, and whose function is central. Well, the cardinal who is at the head of this institution, this Roman Congregation, this dicastery, as it is (...) today, declared in an official address to all the members of his dicastery that the Inquisition—that very body of which he himself is the heir—was comparable to the Gestapo.

   In other words, the Holy Church, which has expended such immense effort over the centuries to preserve the Faith, allegedly acted like the Gestapo under the nαzι regime...."



Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #24 on: Today at 03:50:52 PM »
Jacinta of Fatima received communion from the Angel, where in the world did the Host and Precious Blood come from? 

Most likely Our Lord confected the Sacred Species Himself, and gave them to the angel.