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Offline AGeorge

Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2026, 05:56:26 PM »
Quote from: Comrade on March 02, 2026, 02:35:39 PM
Ignoring history is about the worst vantage point to entertain. Ignore someone's past unrecanted position and then ignoring the fact that Fellay is the trusted advisor of the superior general, is dangerous.
You are missing my entire point. I understand what you're saying. The poster is confused about what constitutes a rupture with the church. I was trying to speak to the points made in the original post. Delving into what led to the split in 2012 is not the issue. I agree that the positions of 2008 and 2012 need to be recanted, and I believe that the Doctrinal Preamble should be renounced as well. 
No disagreement on those points...but it doesn't help educate the person about the issue at hand, namely the consecration of bishops which he wrongly believes will cause a rupture.
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2026, 06:21:40 PM »
Quote from: Telling on March 02, 2026, 06:38:49 AM
One must respect the Pope, submit to him, and live in communion with him if one wants to go to Heaven. One can disagree here and there, but must disagree respectfully.
Common man! Disagree here and there?

For the last 60 years the Pope and his Conciliar Church have been diametrically opposed to the reign of Christ the King and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, doing everything possible, humanly speaking, to destroy it. And you would gather all the sheep into the wolves' den?

Tradition would not even exist today if Archbishop Lefebvre had've followed your advice. You need to understand what true submission of a subject means, what true obedience means. 

You are an Indult Catholic? Why do you think you have an Indult Mass to even be able to refer to yourself as such?

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Offline Telling

Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 01:25:55 AM »
Quote from: Plenus Venter on March 02, 2026, 06:21:40 PM
Common man! Disagree here and there?

Yes. You do know Rome in Her Official Catechism today still (1) teaches all Trinitarian dogmas (2) all Incarnation dogmas (3) all Eucharistic dogmas and (4) all Marian dogmas, right, in a word (5) all Catholic dogmas? I'm assuming you don't disagree with those. :)

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For the last 60 years the Pope and his Conciliar Church have been diametrically opposed to the reign of Christ the King and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, doing everything possible, humanly speaking, to destroy it. And you would gather all the sheep into the wolves' den?

Except Pope St. John Paul - whose life Our Lady of Fatima saved on May 13, 1983 when Communists and Islamists wanted to αssαssιnαtҽ him - was responsible for the downfall of Communism in the Soviet Union. If you can't see that as a good thing, that's sad. 

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Tradition would not even exist today if Archbishop Lefebvre had've followed your advice. You need to understand what true submission of a subject means, what true obedience means.

Not at all. Archbishop Lefebvre was fine with an "as-is" canonical normalization with Rome many times, as I'll show in the next post. You need to follow +abl more closely on this point.

You are an Indult Catholic? Why do you think you have an Indult Mass to even be able to refer to yourself as such?
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We have an Indult Mass, thanks to ABL and also because Indult Catholic Priests show the True Trad way of preserving BOTH (1) Catholic Tradition and (2) Catholic unity with Rome. You can learn from them about this point.
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Offline Telling

Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 01:28:17 AM »
In 1978, Archbishop Lefebvre wrote to Pope St. John Paul II:
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Holy Father, There is no doubt that the audience you granted me was willed by God. For me it was a great comfort to be able quite freely to explain the circuмstances and the grounds for the existence of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X and of its seminaries, and the reasons which led me to continue the Work in spite of the decisions by Fribourg and Rome. It is plain to any impartial observer that our Work is a nursery of priests of the sort the Church has always desired and the true faithful want. We are justified in thinking that if the Church would admit the fact and give it the legality to which it is entitled vocations would be even more plentiful.
Holy Father, for the honor of Jesus Christ, for the good of the Church, for the salvation of souls, we beg you to say a single word as Successor of Peter and Pastor of the Universal Church to the bishops of the whole world: ‘Let them carry on – We authorize the free use of what multisecular Tradition has used for the sanctification of souls.’
What difficulty is there in such an attitude? None. The bishops would decide the places and the times reserved for that Tradition. Unity would be discovered again at once at the level of the bishop of the place. On the other hand, what advantages for the Church: the renewal of seminaries and monasteries, great fervor in the parishes. The bishops would be stupefied to find in a few years an outburst of devotion and sanctification which they thought had disappeared forever.”

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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 01:54:39 AM »
Quote from: Telling on Yesterday at 01:25:55 AM


Except Pope St. John Paul - whose life Our Lady of Fatima saved on May 13, 1983 when Communists and
He was no saint. He prayed with false religions, had many heretical statements in this words, and he has had terrible moral allegations made against him (like raping and murder). Moral issues aside, the fact he did not profess the Catholic faith makes it impossible for him to be a saint.
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