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Offline Comrade

Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2026, 08:21:20 AM »
Quote from: AGeorge on March 02, 2026, 06:57:05 AM

"That being said...in order for the Society to enjoy "full communion," it would have to accept the Council, it's errors, and the mass that it produced that outwardly displays the new theology and religion that it put forth from 1965-1969.
One may not do (or be silent.about) evil so that good may result. The end does not justify the means.
A father of a family would lose his right to be obeyed if he tried to force his children to eat a soup which, although mostly good, had a small or even trace amount of poison in it. (Principle of the integral good)."
Back 2012 that is exactly what the SSPX justified to do. "Vatican2 is 95% good" - +Fellay. 
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Offline AGeorge

Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2026, 08:29:28 AM »
Quote from: Comrade on March 02, 2026, 08:21:20 AM
Back 2012 that is exactly what the SSPX justified to do. "Vatican2 is 95% good" - +Fellay.
Yes I know. I remember it well. I'm speaking from the vantage point as if 2012 did not happen. Bishop Fellay is no longer in charge, and I can only hope Fr. Pagliarani believes differently than the bishop did at that time. I can also hope and (to a certain point) assume that Bishop Fellay rejects the council, or he would not be willing to consecrate bishops against the will of the Pope.
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Offline bvmariae

Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2026, 01:39:08 PM »
Quote from: AGeorge on March 02, 2026, 08:29:28 AM
Bishop Fellay is no longer in charge ...

:jester:
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Offline holacristero

Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2026, 01:57:08 PM »
Quote from: AGeorge on March 02, 2026, 08:29:28 AM
Yes I know. I remember it well. I'm speaking from the vantage point as if 2012 did not happen. Bishop Fellay is no longer in charge, and I can only hope Fr. Pagliarani believes differently than the bishop did at that time. I can also hope and (to a certain point) assume that Bishop Fellay rejects the council, or he would not be willing to consecrate bishops against the will of the Pope.
Don't be deceived. Bishop Fellay has accepted the Second Vatican Council many times. One of the first instances was in a letter to Cardinal Hoyos in 2001. Second, the new SSPX is still operating from the non condemned conditions of 2008 and the non retracted 2012 agreement that accepts the Council. That position was later effectively written in stone at the 2012 General Chapter. Bishop Fellay also now holds a newly created position as an assistant to the Superior General, in other words Father Pagliarani’s advisor.
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Offline Comrade

Re: SSPX consecrations could mark new rupture within the Church.
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2026, 02:35:39 PM »
Quote from: AGeorge on March 02, 2026, 08:29:28 AM
Yes I know. I remember it well. I'm speaking from the vantage point as if 2012 did not happen. Bishop Fellay is no longer in charge, and I can only hope Fr. Pagliarani believes differently than the bishop did at that time. I can also hope and (to a certain point) assume that Bishop Fellay rejects the council, or he would not be willing to consecrate bishops against the will of the Pope.
Ignoring history is about the worst vantage point to entertain. Ignore someone's past unrecanted position and then ignoring the fact that Fellay is the trusted advisor of the superior general, is dangerous.
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