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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2024, 12:51:52 PM »
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  • He's an excellent confessor and probably the best I've gone to.  His ability to be succinct while cutting to the essence has always been amazing quite frankly. 

    He would tell everyone while preaching the mission that a General Confession should take no more than 10 minutes, saying that there are only 10 commandments, and that naming the sin (mortal sins) and the # is all that's required.  I think that many people think of Confession as a counseling session, or confuse it with spiritual direction, or sometimes seek spiritual direction in the Confessional because they don't otherwise have access to it.


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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #16 on: February 04, 2024, 12:59:57 PM »
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  • I always liked his three-fold mantra of 'be brief, be blunt, be gone !'


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #17 on: February 04, 2024, 01:30:22 PM »
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  • I always liked his three-fold mantra of 'be brief, be blunt, be gone !'

    :laugh1:  I especially like the touch of the "be gone" at the end.

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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #18 on: February 04, 2024, 02:09:39 PM »
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  • So Father John Fullerton shut it down?  I doubt it, since Father said Menzingen.  I think you meant that +Fellay is no longer Superior General, not District Superior.  I don't think it's solely up to a District Superior.
    Ya, my bad, I should have said SG. But either way +Fellay was not in any position to authorize HRH, so Menzingen shut it down for not going through the proper chain of command. Terrible reason imo.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #19 on: February 04, 2024, 03:18:36 PM »
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  • Ya, my bad, I should have said SG. But either way +Fellay was not in any position to authorize HRH, so Menzingen shut it down for not going through the proper chain of command. Terrible reason imo.

    In either case, I doubt that +Fellay was acting unilaterally without running it through Menzingen in the first place.  And, despite the fact that he's not SG, his opinion still carries a huge amount of weight, as he is in fact a bishop while Pagliarani is just a priest.  If +Fellay simply called Pagliarani and told him he wanted to give the go-ahead for the Redemptorists, it would be a done deal.


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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #20 on: February 04, 2024, 10:49:46 PM »
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  • From the French web page:
    https://www.avref.fr/fichiers/FSSPX%20LIVRE%20NOIR%202019.pdf
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    Around 2012, the Dominicans of Avrille did not have a bishop from SSPX to ordain deacons and priests, because they were worried about a possible Agreement with Rome on the SSPX 's side... now not a "Friend " of SSPX.
    This long PDF then goes in other subjects about the FSS px. leader of the day...
     I didn't included some notes about Rosa von Gutmann, RIP + 2003, who bequeathed 120 million $$$, and her castle to the Austrian District FSSPX. But guess who ended up with the money?

    ...multiplies societies and foundations, particularly in neighboring Liechtenstein, and devotes a significant part of his energies to the management of the fortune of his Fraternity. To our knowledge, there is no personal enrichment but +
    :ΕΠΑΥ seems to use money and law as instruments of power, which is particularly alarming in a fraternity which harbors abuses within it. Combined with a near-obsession with legal security, this interest of + :ΕΠΑΥ in money power aims to enable him to rule out anyone tempted to overshadow him. Thus in 2011, Mr Kr a, acting on behalf of  + :ΕΠΑΥ, threatened with trial an administrator of  Ig... A..., who criticized... This is very practical for silencing annoying voices. The same year, Mr Kr a  assisted + :ΕΠΑΥ and his predecessor Father F Schmdbrger in a criminal complaint against a retired Belgian priest, Fr. Schoonbroodt, for “defama tiθn” (having published articles about the links between the lawyer DresdΘis and :ΕΠΑΥ), for “incιtement to racιal hatred” (?) and for theft of ιntellectual property. Father S. ...[the f...X] are the owners”.] This even though these were public homilies from Mgr Lefebvre!
    In short, money has no smell and the SSPX clearly understands the heritage of Mgr Lefebvre in not only a spiritual sense but also in a very concrete material sense. Yet another example: to a victim of pedophilia who underlines the civil responsibility of the SSPX, +:ΕΠΑΥ responds without complexes that there is a statute of limitations. These are some examples of how Βurnard combines money and law to muzzle people who bother him. Let us continue the tour of the companies and foundations of which +:ΕΠΑΥ is a stakeholder, and let us mention in particular the SARL STPI, “Société Tradition et Patrimoine Immobilier”,[Tradition and Heritage Real Estate?] based in Lausanne (Swiss commercial register number: CH-550.1.031.472-9)73 . The name says it all, and we can wonder if the role of a βιζκορ is to practice real estate speculation, especially in a region that is already among the most expensive in the world: the Lake Geneva region. Unless real estate is just merchandise? Among the other companies managed by +BF, we note in particular l'Association Martin des pauvres (sic),  [the Martin Association of the Poor }based… in Zug and registered in the commercial register under number CH170.6.000.287-2; or the Hereditas company, financing company active in the Baltic countries (commercial register number: CH-170.6.000.143-4). Alongside the considerable fortune held by the SSP.X, the latter is less careful in matters of social legislation and labor law: very recently, an article by investigative journalist Jade Serrano revealed a striking contrast between on the one hand, intense activity in receiving inheritances and bequests, and on the other, suspicions of Ταχ and social frαδ (indications of slus h funds and h... work)74. 73 www.moneyhouse.ch/fr/u/stpi_societe_tradition_patrimoine_immobilier_sarl_CH-550.1.031.472-9.htm 74 www.streetpress.com/sujet/1543317741-argent-c
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #21 on: February 05, 2024, 10:26:47 AM »
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  • So, another thought here that occurred to me besides the Redemptorists somehow incurring Menzingen's disfavor, is that this new "protocol" from Menzingen could very well be yet another condition imposed on them by Jorge.  It's one thing if the SSPX has its own Society, its own religious, etc. ... and quite another if they set up traditional Catholic Orders, like Redemptorists, Dominicans, etc.  Bergoglio probably told them they don't have the authority to set up these Orders and Menzingen acquiesced, probably even agreeing.  "We're the SSPX, so who are we to set up a Redemptorist house of formation?  That would be schismatic.  We don't have that authority, being just a society for priests."  This would just be another step along the lines of having Novus Ordo presiders witnessing Traditional marriages, etc.

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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #22 on: February 05, 2024, 10:49:33 AM »
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  • So, another thought here that occurred to me besides the Redemptorists somehow incurring Menzingen's disfavor, is that this new "protocol" from Menzingen could very well be yet another condition imposed on them by Jorge.  It's one thing if the SSPX has its own Society, its own religious, etc. ... and quite another if they set up traditional Catholic Orders, like Redemptorists, Dominicans, etc.  Bergoglio probably told them they don't have the authority to set up these orders and Menzingen acquiesced, probably even agreeing.  "We're the SSPX, so who are we to set up a Redemptorist house of formation?  That would be schismatic.  We don't have that authority, being just a society for priests."  This would just be another step along the lines of having Novus Ordo presiders witnessing Traditional marriages, etc.
    This is most likely what happened, as the Prelature does not allow for any Religious Orders besides SSPX (so all would have to switch to be an SSPX, Priest, Brother or Sister) depending on the case. Traditional Dominicans, Franciscans, Benedictines, etc. not allowed to continue.


    However, why now. I suspect that maybe it has to do with the upcoming consecrations of new SSPX bishops, they will not have implied or explicit permission for those consecrations unless they stop the Redemptorist from growing under the name Redemptorist. Remember, when the Redemptorist made a deal with the Vatican, they had to give up the name Redemptorists. As for the other Religious Order, since they were established before Bergoglio, they appear to be able to continue for now.  


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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #23 on: February 05, 2024, 01:05:25 PM »
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  • Something seems to be brewing, and it does not seem good. 
    +Fellay is getting old. The other two bishops have limitations as well.  Is this a waiting game for Bergoglio to die? If the SSPX gets new bishops I would bet they'd be of the conservative N.O. variety and not those they consecrate themselves.  There is too much evidence pointing in the direction of  cooperation with Rome for it to be otherwise. Plus, a big chunk of neo-sspx chapel attendees would not blink an eye at that. 
    +Fellay has painted himself in the corner, insisting that Bergoglio is pope and the conciliar church is the Catholic Church, and can't turn back now. Why? Has he been promised something from Rome, like head of the prelature? A Cardinal's hat? Who knows but it does not seem good, not at all. The worse things get in Rome, the more compromised the SSPX appears when they don't call a spade a spade. 

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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #24 on: February 09, 2024, 03:13:30 PM »
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  • Notice this line "implemented a protocol for religious orders that entails us closing our novitiate for now."

    So was the protocol that said the Redemptorist must close for now or was that protocol had conditions that Fr. Alphonsus could not agree to and thus he has to close for now. What about the other religious groups, did the protocol apply to them too, and are any of them closing or are they complying? What was the conditions?


                 “Protocols ?”

                “You betcha”
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #25 on: February 09, 2024, 03:30:58 PM »
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  •             “Protocols ?”

                “You betcha”
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #26 on: February 09, 2024, 11:51:28 PM »
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  • Many prayers for dear Father Alphonsus who continues to fight a lonely fight which is typical of life for a Redemptorist.  Abandonment by leadership is a story that repeats itself when forces of evil rise up.  I'm also guessing the change has to do with Bergolio and SSPX leaders, which is very sad and no surprise.  I will continue to support Father in whatever way I am able as we are in a fight to the finish.  i have been blessed to know Father well for many years, and have had the honor numerous times of serving for him and having him hear my confessions, which for me are blessings from God.  

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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #27 on: February 10, 2024, 07:44:41 PM »
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  •             “Protocols ?”

                “You betcha”


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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #28 on: February 11, 2024, 12:16:05 PM »
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  • Reading Father's blog, it appears he is being viciously attacked by the devil.
    Within a 40 day period he
    1. Lost his mother to lung cancer on Dec. 21
    2. He was denied offering her a public Requiem Mass in favour of a Novus Ordo service.
    3. His formation house for Redemptorist aspirants was shut down.

    During this Lenten season in our charity lets offer some prayers and sacrifices for Father and all traditional priests who are being sorely tried.

    https://redemptoris.org/blog
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    Re: SSPX closing down Redemptorist formation
    « Reply #29 on: February 11, 2024, 12:52:41 PM »
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  • Reading Father's blog, it appears he is being viciously attacked by the devil.
    Within a 40 day period he
    1. Lost his mother to lung cancer on Dec. 21
    2. He was denied offering her a public Requiem Mass in favour of a Novus Ordo service.
    3. His formation house for Redemptorist aspirants was shut down.

    During this Lenten season in our charity lets offer some prayers and sacrifices for Father and all traditional priests who are being sorely tried.

    https://redemptoris.org/blog
    I will add:
    4. About a month ago while in California for burial services for his mother, he was in a hospital in California for I think 4 or 5 days with cellulitis from a spider bite on his foot, I'm pretty sure the pain is not completely gone just yet. Only within the last week or so he was finally able to put a shoe on that foot. 
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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