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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2026, 06:10:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Peter Alcantara on January 19, 2026, 05:06:24 PM
    I decided to go through the U.S.A. SSPX chapel directory. Specifically, it was to see if any of the chapels refer to the local (diocesan) bishop. If the chapel had its own website, I linked to that. Here are the results. Please note that, while I provide a link to one specific section of a website or bulletin, I did skim through multiple pages. If I missed something, please let me know.
    Lastly, although not my priority, I did not see links to social media (Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Twitter), except for the official SSPX media, if there was a YouTube channel for online Mass streams, sermons, or catechism classes. If I did notice one, it is referenced.
    Conclusion: The North Carolina Mount Holly Chapel is the anomaly regarding the reference to the local diocesan bishop.

    I've been to some of the chapels on your list, and they all have a picture of Prevost (formerly Bergoglio), Pagliarani, and the local Novus Ordo bishop ... in the vestibule.  I could take a picture the next time I'm there, probably Saturday.  They don't typically put them on their websites.
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #16 on: January 19, 2026, 06:12:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on December 08, 2025, 09:32:15 AM
    https://www.gloria.tv/post/zzji4zYbosv13wEtgGWhdKahr

    Leo XIV Grants Apostolic Blessing to FSSPX Chapel in Charlotte

    Pope Leo XIV granted an Apostolic Blessing to Fr John Bourbeau FSSPX and the faithful of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX) at Saint Anthony of Padua Chapel in Mount Holly, North Carolina.

    The blessing commemorates the 25th anniversary of the chapel’s founding. The Vatican docuмent is dated November 18 and signed by Cardinal Konrad Krajewski.

    The chapel is in the Charlotte area. Many Catholics gather there for Mass because Bishop Michael Martin of Charlotte curtailed most celebrations of the Mass in the Roman rite in diocesan parishes. He now permits the Roman rite only in a single diocesan chapel with capacity for approximately 350 people.

    St. Anthony’s community was formed in the early 1980s and spent 19 years worshipping in various temporary locations, including a private residence, a rented floor of a bank building, and facilities of the Junior League of Charlotte.

    In 2000, community members identified a church building for sale. The first Mass in the new chapel took place on August 22, 2000.

    Due to continued growth, the FSSPX leadership recently authorized a search for new property on which to build a larger church.

    Yeah, anyone can order those.
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #17 on: January 19, 2026, 06:13:56 PM »
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    • I'm sure I could get one, except I'd be afriad of drawing some diabolical curse on myself.

    They should get the latest updated version ...
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #18 on: January 19, 2026, 06:26:25 PM »
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    • See ... all I have to do is provide my credit card number and check out ...


    I bet he wishes he had thought of this.
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    Offline Peter Alcantara

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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #19 on: January 19, 2026, 06:35:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 19, 2026, 06:10:32 PM
    I've been to some of the chapels on your list, and they all have a picture of Prevost (formerly Bergoglio), Pagliarani, and the local Novus Ordo bishop ... in the vestibule.  I could take a picture the next time I'm there, probably Saturday.  They don't typically put them on their websites.
    The SSPX chapel I attend does not. Growing up, I never saw any of that at the chapel. Very interesting……
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #20 on: January 19, 2026, 06:38:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Peter Alcantara on January 19, 2026, 06:35:12 PM
    The SSPX chapel I attend does not. Growing up, I never saw any of that at the chapel. Very interesting……

    So ... it may depend on the priest, as some old schoolers may avoid doing that.
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #21 on: January 21, 2026, 01:41:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 19, 2026, 06:38:02 PM
    So ... it may depend on the priest, as some old schoolers may avoid doing that.
    Some may or may not have the photos, but I have always seen the card with the names of the Pope and local bishop to be commemorated during Mass in the various sacristies.
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #22 on: January 21, 2026, 02:37:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: trento on January 21, 2026, 01:41:20 AM
    Some may or may not have the photos, but I have always seen the card with the names of the Pope and local bishop to be commemorated during Mass in the various sacristies.

    That's for the Roman Canon
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #23 on: January 21, 2026, 08:00:05 AM »
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    • This is the Bishop the chapel is desperate to be “in communion” with… this is the man they have on their wall.
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #24 on: January 21, 2026, 08:26:51 AM »
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    • Post Falls, Aracadia and the seminary in Virginia all have pictures of Prevost. They all had pictures Benny and Frankie as well.
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #25 on: January 21, 2026, 08:46:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: HeidtXtreme on January 21, 2026, 08:00:05 AM
    This is the Bishop the chapel is desperate to be “in communion” with… this is the man they have on their wall.

    fαɢs and lesbos per the usual. 
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #26 on: January 21, 2026, 09:56:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: LakeEnjoyer on January 21, 2026, 02:37:51 AM
    That's for the Roman Canon

    OK, but that's the only Canon in use in SSPX chapels.
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #27 on: January 21, 2026, 09:57:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: trento on January 21, 2026, 01:41:20 AM
    Some may or may not have the photos, but I have always seen the card with the names of the Pope and local bishop to be commemorated during Mass in the various sacristies.

    I've heard that there are SOME SSPX priets who still quietly are non-una-cuм, who say the entire Canon with such "sotto voce" that nobody can tell.  In fact, more and more SSPX chapels have the people standing and singing the Sanctus during the first part of the Canon, where nobody would be able to hear that first part of the Canon.
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #28 on: January 21, 2026, 10:14:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 21, 2026, 09:57:35 AM
    I've heard that there are SOME SSPX priets who still quietly are non-una-cuм, who say the entire Canon with such "sotto voce" that nobody can tell.  In fact, more and more SSPX chapels have the people standing and singing the Sanctus during the first part of the Canon, where nobody would be able to hear that first part of the Canon.
    Yet, due to those Masses being offered publicly, the faithful who attend have a right to know if the priest who is offering on their behalf IS offering "una cuм" with Prevost, and the local Novus Ordo bishop or not.

    Not that I am arguing they have right to hear the Canon spoke in in a loud voice! :laugh1:
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    Re: SSPX Chapel Gets Apostolic Blessing from Antipope Leo
    « Reply #29 on: January 21, 2026, 10:24:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on January 21, 2026, 10:14:11 AM
    Yet, due to those Masses being offered publicly, the faithful who attend have a right to know if the priest who is offering on their behalf IS offering "una cuм" with Prevost, and the local Novus Ordo bishop or not.

    Not that I am arguing they have right to hear the Canon spoke in in a loud voice! :laugh1:

    Only if you're dogmatic about the matter one way or the other.  If you're not dogmatic, and I'm not ... I don't think there's any reason or right to know, ESPECIALLY when it means absolutely nothing when an SSPX priest SAYS it, since they're not in union with any bishop or with Prevost, not in any real sense, other than by paying lip service to them.  It's especially laughable when they put someone like Martin in there when Martin hates them and has tried to shut down everything they stand for.  You're kidding, right?  You can't be in communion with someone who doesn't hold communion with you.  It's a two-way street.

    So the "faithful" who attend can also pretend they're really in union with Prevost and Martin when they're actually not?  To me, worse than simple material error in inserting the name would be that it basically is a LIE in the middle of the most sacred prayer in existence.

    If I were a priest, I might say "una cuм famulo tuo papa nostro" but omit the name, since to positively assert that Bergoglio and Prevost are to be numbered among those "orthodox cultivators of the Catholic and Apostolic faith" ... well, that's just a blatant lie and does not belong in the Canon for that reason, whether or not you think they're Popes, since they're most certainly not orthodox cultivators of the Apostolic faith.  In fact, being "Traditionalist", the whole point is that you do NOT consider them to be orthodox cultivators of the Apostolic (aka Traditional) faith, right?  It's just a stupid lie that I could never say with a straight face, not in the middle of the most sacred prayer every offered to God, whether or not I believe they're popes or not popes.
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