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Offline Raoul76

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SSPX and the word "luminous."
« on: December 29, 2009, 07:37:03 PM »
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    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 08:23:19 PM »
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    • I agree that the SSPX is a bogus org. However I am certain that Pius X and XII(XIII) meant the word only as a reference to the true light of Jesus, our Lord.

    It is predictable that Rauol would try and shape-shift the interpretation into an inference that Illuminati was the intended meaning.  
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 03:10:27 AM »
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    • Oh please! I suppose if I describe something as "enlightening" then that makes me a fan of the so called "enlightenment".
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 08:09:40 AM »
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    • So Mike, did Pius XII actually use the word "luminous"? Does one have to be speaking English when they use the word or is a translation of luminous sufficient to place one in this new category of yours?
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 08:32:02 AM »
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    • why wasted time on this, Raoul has a burn against Pius XII
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 09:10:10 AM »
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    The Angelus, March 1994, "The New Catechism:  Is it Catholic?": "We are far from the luminous teaching of Pius XII concerning the  'grave motives' which can justify a (natural) regulation of births."


    Mike, this is true is it not? Other than your "slippery slope" argument, isn't it just a fact.
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 10:27:38 AM »
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    •   I have reached the conculsion that we must be wary of any organization, book, publishing, movement etc. whose title contains words like light, luminous, enlightening, light-bearer and other such words. Since out of every ten, nine are satanic, new age or buddhist...
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 10:31:48 AM »
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     I have reached the conculsion that we must be wary of any organization, book, publishing, movement etc. whose title contains words like light, luminous, enlightening, light-bearer and other such words. Since out of every ten, nine are satanic, new age or buddhist...


    It's good to watch carefully, but it's important not to go too far.

    http://www.newadvent.org/bible/joh001.htm
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 10:59:35 AM »
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    • The most reliable work on the Illimunati is this one:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0977795381/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0977795381&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    Roughly 90% of what is said about the Illuminati on the Internet as Melanson shows is complete bunk, esp re the jesuit bunk.

    This is a definitive study. They were mostly religious libertarians along the Franklin-Voltarian lines.
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    Offline 008

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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 11:05:43 AM »
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    • Jesus is the Light of the world. Time to reclaim our language!!!

    Read John chapter 1, about the first 20 verses....
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 11:56:33 AM »
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    The Angelus, March 1994, "The New Catechism:  Is it Catholic?": "We are far from the luminous teaching of Pius XII concerning the  'grave motives' which can justify a (natural) regulation of births."


    Mike, this is true is it not? Other than your "slippery slope" argument, isn't it just a fact.


    Actually SJB, it's not.  Since Antipope Pius XII not only never defined "grave motives," but even painted a very broad and vague picture of what those "may be" and "are" he left the floodgate open for such as we see nowadays, namely that all sorts of things are being called grave motives, where truly there is no such thing as a sufficiently grave motive that would allow couples to continuously engage in their lusts for one another while attempting to prevent conception.  That is birth control, plain and simple.

    If the reason is sufficiently grave to want to avoid bringing children into the world at all, then any use of the marital act at all would risk aggravating that "grave reason" if conception should occur.  As such, the act itself is to be entirely avoided.

    And by the way, I don't know why this has not been mentioned yet:  It takes time before the woman necessarily knows she is pregnant - the child doesn't just plop out a day or two after conception.

    In other words, an unexpectedly pregnant couple (God forbid!) has TIME IN WHICH TO WORK to ensure that the child receives the Christian upbringing and temporal amenities it needs long before it even comes in to the world.

    No couple that works and prays in Faith and submission to God's will is going to be left out in the cold.
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #11 on: December 30, 2009, 12:01:42 PM »
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    Since Antipope Pius XII not only...


    Behold the slippery slope of purist Sedevacantism!  Maybe we shall have another Sede "pope" here, beyond the 20+ already gloriously reigning or having reigned when alive. And his first act will be to boot Pius XII!

    Long live Pope Crank I !!!!
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #12 on: December 30, 2009, 12:03:30 PM »
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    • Only the Catholic clergy in Rome can elect a pope.
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #13 on: December 30, 2009, 12:10:41 PM »
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    The most reliable work on the Illimunati is this one:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0977795381/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0977795381&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    Roughly 90% of what is said about the Illuminati on the Internet as Melanson shows is complete bunk, esp re the jesuit bunk.

    This is a definitive study. They were mostly religious libertarians along the Franklin-Voltarian lines.


    The Illuminati ARE--- not were. The alleged stomping of the order in Bavaria has served them well as it has provided a smokescreen that they don't exist any longer.

    The Catholic Clergy does not elect a Pope-- it is the Curia and they don't have to be in Rome.
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    SSPX and the word "luminous."
    « Reply #14 on: December 30, 2009, 12:22:56 PM »
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    • Yo! Roscoe!  Get and read the book. Very scholarly. May teach you something.
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