Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube  (Read 10938 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline orestesbrownson

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12
  • Reputation: +16/-0
  • Gender: Male
SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
« on: March 19, 2014, 07:14:32 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Approximately 150 half-hour episodes of "What Catholics Believe" are now available on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/user/WCBOhio .   "What Catholic Believe" originally aired in the late 1980s and early 1990s.  Each episode features usual guests Frs. Clarence Kelly and William Jenkins speaking on a variety of topics from a traditional Catholic perspective.  On occasion, Frs. Donald Sanborn and Thomas Mroczka also appear on the show.


    Offline SenzaDubbio

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 185
    • Reputation: +74/-0
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #1 on: March 20, 2014, 10:59:51 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Did anyone else try calling the 1-800 number to ask a question? Why won't they pick up!?


    Offline Ambrose

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3447
    • Reputation: +2429/-13
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #2 on: March 20, 2014, 11:10:49 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • While I am not sure about this show, be careful of the SSPV.  They have usurped the power of the keys, a schismatic act, by binding the consciences of Catholics on the status of the holy orders of the line of Archbishop Thuc.  

    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

    Offline SenzaDubbio

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 185
    • Reputation: +74/-0
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #3 on: March 20, 2014, 11:27:42 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Thank you for that post. I've never heard it put that way. I do oppose their beliefs and actions towards the holy orders of Archbishop Thuc.

    Offline Ambrose

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3447
    • Reputation: +2429/-13
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #4 on: March 20, 2014, 11:46:52 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: SenzaDubbio
    Thank you for that post. I've never heard it put that way. I do oppose their beliefs and actions towards the holy orders of Archbishop Thuc.


    I say what I do about them with a heavy heart.  I have close friends that go to their chapels.  For myself, I would not step foot into their chapels, and I intend on reporting them to the Holy See when a Pope comes again.  In the absence of legitimate authority, the Church does not become the Wild West, and there will be an accounting in this world and the next.

    All Catholics have the right to not go to any priest whose orders have not been guaranteed by the Church.  All of us have the right and duty to investigate the orders of priests that we may approach for the sacraments and have certainty about their validity.  

    If a Catholic was not certain about any priest and wanted to wait until the lawful authorities of the Church approved of his orders, that is always a legitimate position.  The trouble with the SSPV is that they have usurped the power of the hierarchy in binding Catholics to their private determinations.  

    Their act of usurpation and schism begs for justice.  They have resisted all efforts at correction.  
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


    Offline obediens

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 209
    • Reputation: +84/-8
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #5 on: March 21, 2014, 08:39:44 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Maybe because the show ended 20 years ago...

    Quote from: SenzaDubbio
    Did anyone else try calling the 1-800 number to ask a question? Why won't they pick up!?

    Offline The Penny Catechism

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 181
    • Reputation: +79/-0
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #6 on: March 24, 2014, 06:38:39 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Ambrose
    The trouble with the SSPV is that they have usurped the power of the hierarchy in binding Catholics to their private determinations.  
    Their act of usurpation and schism begs for justice.  They have resisted all efforts at correction.


    - What you state may be true. I am unfamiliar with the +Thuc arguments either way. In particular, if scandal and misunderstandings were caused due to SSPV being dogmatic to their parishoners on this issue.

    - However, I've downloaded several of their videos for they are short and I can listen to them on my I-phone. In particular, their 'SJB' and 'Thérèse of Lisieux' were just what I needed to add subtle adjustments in how I perceive situational adversities... to creatively find ways, when applicable, to embrace the cross with first detachment-  then aiming for inner peace and happiness (they were so advanced in the 'science of the saints' that they were into doing it with joy to the point where they were not 'frozen' but active and getting a lot done).  

    - Even here on this board, I have taken insights and points of views from posters that I have incorporated in my understanding of the Faith -- that quite frankly, I would have repugnance to be with in any close proximity (that is, from the limited virtual reality of cyberspace).  

    - My point is that in this day of so much great confusion, trickery and fanaticism that one must know their own foibles. And if you are not scandalized by their dogmatic issues with +Thuc (which I'm not), then another interpretation would be to examine everything they say and retain what is good. Which is the approach I'm taking. I realize this may not be for everyone.

    - "Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves."  Matthew 10:16

    Offline soulguard

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1698
    • Reputation: +4/-10
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #7 on: March 24, 2014, 07:33:11 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: orestesbrownson
    Approximately 150 half-hour episodes of "What Catholics Believe" are now available on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/user/WCBOhio .   "What Catholic Believe" originally aired in the late 1980s and early 1990s.  Each episode features usual guests Frs. Clarence Kelly and William Jenkins speaking on a variety of topics from a traditional Catholic perspective.  On occasion, Frs. Donald Sanborn and Thomas Mroczka also appear on the show.


    Thanks for the videos. They will be something interesting and educational to watch when boredom hits.


    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41864
    • Reputation: +23920/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 08:11:12 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I actually worked for the program many years ago in the summer, in the Cleveland area alongside of Joseph Santay, before he was ordained a priest (and later bishop).  I also was one of those who manned the phones for them.

    I objected to the Thuc and CMRI episodes and left there shortly afterwards.  They just seemed very bitter and uncharitable.  And the entire point of the show was to air on mainstream media (they were originally running on BET), and I felt that this kind of nonsense would be lost on most of the audience and could even serve to turn them off to Traditional Catholicism.

    What really was a tipping point is that during one of the Anti-Thuc episodes, they ridiculed Bishop McKenna for some of the exorcisms.  I sat next to Julius Smetona and he was just laughing hysterically while they put up bizarre exorcism "wolfman" pictures to poke fun of Bishop McKenna.  I though to myself, "This is not funny."  And to laugh was completely uncharitable.  Is diabolical possession not real?  Are we trying to undercut that?  If these poor people do not have valid Sacraments, it's very tragic and not a laughing matter.  That showed me the true spirit behind the attacks on the CMRI and Archbishop Thuc.

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41864
    • Reputation: +23920/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #9 on: March 24, 2014, 08:23:16 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • If I'm Bishop Kelly and sincerely think that Bishop Dolan is not valid, instead of almost relishing and reveling in that, I would offer Bishop Dolan that we would conditionally consecrate one another and then conditionally ordain all the priests so that the faithful might have certainly valid Sacarements and that we could begin working together again.

    SSPV also started to perpetuate the "one-handed ordination" nonsense.  I investigated this and sent docuмentation to them.  I went to the massive library at the Catholic University of America and found that for several centuries the official Roman Rituale said that the bishop should lay on "the right hand".  Later it refers to laying on of "hands", but that undoubtedly had to do with the multiple priests that would be there and would also lay on "hands" (plural) due to multiple people.  These went ignored.  They claim, for instance, that Bishop Williamson and Bishop Dolan are not even valid priests because at their ordination Archbishop Lefebvre only laid one hand on their heads (intead of two).  They were conditionally confirming people who had been confirmed by Bishop Williamson.

    Bishop Kelly once said (as related to me by a priest who was there) that "we can't say the Thuc line is valid because otherwise people might go to them."

    Offline Binechi

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2318
    • Reputation: +512/-40
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #10 on: March 24, 2014, 09:40:59 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote
    What really was a tipping point is that during one of the Anti-Thuc episodes, they ridiculed Bishop McKenna for some of the exorcisms. I sat next to Julius Smetona and he was just laughing hysterically while they put up bizarre exorcism "wolfman" pictures to poke fun of Bishop McKenna. I though to myself, "This is not funny." And to laugh was completely uncharitable. Is diabolical possession not real? Are we trying to undercut that? If these poor people do not have valid Sacraments, it's very tragic and not a laughing matter. That showed me the true spirit behind the attacks on the CMRI and Archbishop Thuc.

     
    In Defense of Bishop Mc kenna...

    He was very Holy and humble Man, which you had to be  in order to take on the devil , time after time as he did.  I was a member of his Chapel for eight years or so and was pivy to two of these exorsims  which took place in the Chapel.  Most never saw what I  and a few anothers saw concerning the Good Bishop.  He would spend whole nights in prayer and fasting two or three days before these exorsims.  They had a group who would go around the country in charity to gather some of the tougher ones, and Bring them to the Bishop, as it seemed at the time to be the only one who get results.  
    I always having a camera with me was able to get this shots, from the balcony above.  Notice that the guy had to be put in a straight jacket, and we had to anchor the pew with him in it to the floor with rope.  The sounds and action when Bishop would go thru his routine, were not to nice to say the least.  


     


    Offline Mabel

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1893
    • Reputation: +1386/-25
    • Gender: Female
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #11 on: March 24, 2014, 11:55:16 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Director,

    I would agree with you in many was that Bp. McKenna has done much good, especially when he has done exorcisms. It probably is one of the greatest services he has rendered in his life. While one might disagree with or fairly criticize some of his actions, he certainly should never be the subject of ridicule.
    I wouldn't say that I'm his biggest fan, but I have a tremendous amount of respect for him over some other traditional bishops.

    Offline SenzaDubbio

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 185
    • Reputation: +74/-0
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #12 on: March 24, 2014, 01:19:05 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    I actually worked for the program many years ago in the summer, in the Cleveland area alongside of Joseph Santay, before he was ordained a priest (and later bishop).  I also was one of those who manned the phones for them.


    O so you're the one slacking on the phones.......  :smirk:

    Offline Alexandria

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2677
    • Reputation: +484/-122
    • Gender: Female
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #13 on: March 24, 2014, 02:13:31 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Director, is that Ralph Sarchie and the late Joe Forrester in the pictures?

    Offline The Penny Catechism

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 181
    • Reputation: +79/-0
    • Gender: Male
    SSPVs "What Catholics Believe" Now On YouTube
    « Reply #14 on: March 24, 2014, 02:26:39 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Alexandria
    Director, is that Ralph Sarchie and the late Joe Forrester in the pictures?


    -That is the late Ed Warren in the background (or his double)  The Demonologist ...

    - Ralph Sarchie - Beware The Night -- interesting, those are two people I wish I could sit down with a cup of coffee and get them to talk about the nuances of their investigations -- the stuff they leave out of the books