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Offline Ladislaus

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CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« on: December 26, 2022, 12:11:12 PM »
So I was talking with my mother yesterday, Christmas Day, and at one point she was lamenting the fact that the SSPV chapel in the Cleveland (St. Therese) area is dying out.  She says that the numbers are dwindling, and that there are very few young people there, but mostly old-timers.

I attribute this to the fact that St. Therese does not have a resident priest, but just a priest who flies in on the weekends.  I mentioned the concern about what all these older people would do in the likely event that they need Last Rites.  Do they send someone down to Akron to drive 88-year-old Father Leo Carley up there to anoint people who haven't even been his parishioners?  SSPX is also a fly-in-fly-out group in the Cleveland area.

But what's most disturbing is that SSPV/CSPV have going on a dozen priests floating around at Round Top.  To me, it's a mortal sin that these priests aren't dispatched to the various SSPV chapels out there to provide the faithful with the Sacraments on a regular basis.  Evidently they initially had this psychological problem with going through the TSA "naked" scanners ... as if Our Lord hadn't been stripped to near-naked on the Cross.  And, even if one were to pass over that, they couldn't pack up a couple of these priests in a car or buy them Greyhound bus tickets so they could establish themselves at St. Therese.  It's very nice little chapel with ample rectory space for 2-3 priests.

And another question is why Father William Jenkins (hands down the best mind they have in SSPV) wasn't consecrated a bishop 5 minutes after +Mendez consecrated Bishop Kelly.  Instead you have a couple bishops over there whom I know to have barely been able to pass Latin I class ... although I do not question their personal virtue and piety, etc.

They also have nearly 120 female religious up there.  Couldn't they too be dispersed a little bit to help set up schools, etc. in different parts of the country?

I'm getting the impression more and more that they're setting up some weird End Times Doomsday cult up at Round Top.

It's well known that there was some big rift between the Cincinnati group and Round Top some years ago, but even my Mom who knows people who know things can't get a good answer about what's going on and why.  Evidently there were a group of nuns from Round Top who taught for a while at their school in Cincinnati but then left abruptly due to some dispute.

We also have a similar phenomenon with SSPX ... where you have priories that have 6, 7, 8 priests, while some decent-sized chapels with many families have to put up with the fly-in-fly-out weekend priest.

To me, whether it's SSPX or SSPV, it's a grave sin to neglect these families who might otherwise be able to receive the Sacraments more regularly, receive spiritual direction, etc.  Not to mention that these chapels would undoubtedly grow due to the presence of a regular priests.

I think these priests have to realize that the priesthood isn't given to them (i.e. they are't called to the priesthood) for their own sanctification or edification, etc. ... everyone is called to that in any state, and no one is worthy of the priesthood ... but entirely so that they can provide the Sacraments to the faithful.  I consider it a serious sin of negligence to allow these faithful to go without the Sacraments and other spiritual care while living in large groups of 6-10 or more priests.  There are a great number of these priests who'd be flipping burgers or bagging groceries if it weren't for their having been ordained priests, and some seek the priesthood so they can have respect, and feel important, as the lay faithful bow their heads to them while saying "Father".  I get that Archbishop Lefebvre wanted priests not to live along, but even if they split into groups of 2, a great deal of good cold be done for the faithful.  Father Leo Carley has been out there alone for going on 50 years now.  In the Old West, priests often set out by themselves on horseback into the wilderness to go take care of souls.

But does anyone have any information on what gives with the SSPV and this bizarre rift between Round Top and Cincinnati?

So the SSPV spun off this new "Congregation of St. Pius V" (CSPV), and we read this on their website about "Why a Congregation?"



So, have they become Salza-ized here and decided that if a priest isn't under a Diocesan Bishop that he must live in some "society of common life" because of pre-Crisis Canon Law?  So, between the fact that they've decided they must live in some (entirely fictional) Religious Institute and the fact that they've decided that it's immoral for them to go through airport scanners, all these priests are hunkered down in the Round Top compound while refusing to care for the faithful.

Are they one step away from Home-Aloneism ... in this case having all their priests live in a "Congregation" while having the faithful neglected?

If so, what absurd legalism.  Of course, if one wanted to be legalistic -- this little "Congregation" of theirs does not "count".  Simply living in common doesn't meet the requirements of Canon Law, as the Religious Institute can't be something that was made up by someone without any jurisdiction to establish such an Institute in the first place.  If they want to get all legalistic, then their women religious are not nuns either.  We should start calling "Sister Mary Joseph" by her given name of Beth (just like people do to the Dimonds).

What part of the fact that we live in an unprecedented Crisis in the Church does some of these Trad types do not understand ... between Salza and now this Congregation of St. Pius V?

Get these priests out there to take care of the faithful, whom they are abandoning to the world and to the wolves as they live comfortably within the Round Top Cult Compound, likely sipping $100 bottles of wine at Christmas.

Shame on them!

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2022, 12:31:07 PM »
Evidently, some of these SSPV chapels will have a bishop come by for confirmation once every few years, as a bishop makes a round-the-country road trip ... since they refuse to fly due to the scanners.  They have 3 bishops up there at Round Top, and can only manage a sad little confirmation tour like that?

But then why not consecrated Father Jenkins, who has no qualms about the airport scanners, nor do the other priests who work with him (Greenwell, Baumberger, etc.)?  Father Jenkins then could easily fly around to the various SSPV chapels even once a year for confirmations.  Or, since he's getting older, perhaps also consecrate a Baumberger or Greenwell ... instead of their multiple bishops at Round Top?

So the best I can make it out, after the whole airport scanner thing, some genius Canonist was contemplating or meditating on Canon Law and decided that they had to form a Congregation where all their priests lived together.  That latter, combined with the fact that they refuse to fly, means that they have a ton of priests up there while the faithful get neglected.  I'm guessing they might fly out on weekends (even while living in common) if it weren't for the scanner stupidity.  But between these two, the faithful get neglected.

And that still doesn't answer the question about why they don't consecrate Father Jenkins.  Could it be they won't consecrate him because he doesn't buy into their whole "common life" schtick from Canon Law?  Could that be why the nuns were recalled from Cincinnati, after some genius decided that they must all live together at Round Top?

So where in this Canon Law does it say that a group had to be of any given size?  Since Bishop Kelly could make up CSPV, why would't he just invent a few more congregations to split the priests up more?

Something isn't right.  On top of that, the reports are that Bishop Kelly has been practically on his death bed for the past 15-20 years now ... which was the prior explanation for why he didn't travel.


Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2022, 01:12:11 PM »
What part of the fact that we live in an unprecedented Crisis in the Church does some of these Trad types do not understand ... between Salza and now this Congregation of St. Pius V?

Get these priests out there to take care of the faithful, whom they are abandoning to the world and to the wolves as they live comfortably within the Round Top Cult Compound, likely sipping $100 bottles of wine at Christmas.



Offline Yeti

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Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2022, 03:57:06 PM »
Evidently, some of these SSPV chapels will have a bishop come by for confirmation once every few years, as a bishop makes a round-the-country road trip ... since they refuse to fly due to the scanners.
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Are you sure about this? Why would this be a reason for a priest not to fly to administer to the needs of the faithful? I remember the outrage when those things were introduced, and rightly so, but no one ever claimed it was a sin to go through one of those machines, and as a matter of fact traditional Catholics fly on planes all the time without the slightest hesitation of conscience. Are you really sure this is why they don't fly?


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Something isn't right.  On top of that, the reports are that Bishop Kelly has been practically on his death bed for the past 15-20 years now ... which was the prior explanation for why he didn't travel.


I've been hearing that too. Does anyone know what exactly he has? I've been starting to wonder the same thing, how can someone be so sick for multiple decades and still be alive. :confused:

Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2022, 04:35:30 PM »
If the Priests gets TSA Pe Check clearance, then they do not need to go through the body scanner and can go through the old metal detector. I have TSA Pre Check and when I get up to the body scanner, the TSA agents tell me to wait and then they unchain the metal detector and I get to go through that.