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Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2022, 05:20:43 PM »
If the Priests gets TSA Pe Check clearance, then they do not need to go through the body scanner and can go through the old metal detector. I have TSA Pre Check and when I get up to the body scanner, the TSA agents tell me to wait and then they unchain the metal detector and I get to go through that.
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Yeah, I don't know about this. It's a little hard to imagine anyone saying he refuses to get on a plane because he doesn't want to go through the body scanner, least of all a trad priest. I looked at their website and it lists 27 Mass centers spread all across the United States, most of which have Mass nearly every Sunday. It's a little hard to see how something like that could exist if all the priests live in one place in New York and none of them fly.


Then I looked at the website of the CSPV and they have a list of their Mass centers, and for each one it says how the priest travels to that destination. Quite a few of them list the Travel Method as "Airplane".

Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2022, 05:22:03 PM »
The CSPV priests do fly on airplanes.  Maybe this was the case a few years ago but not anymore, I have never heard that.  
The SSPV have their own missions and they will not let the CSPV take them over yet, why I am not sure, but I do know from one of the bishops that they have tried to have Fr Jenkins and Greenwell to stay in Cincinnati and let them do their missions.  

Yes I believe it is quite strange and possibly bordering on neglect as to why they have about a dozen priests and 2 bishops and 120 sisters and they almost all stay at round top.  

I have heard from the cspv that they will only establish a priory with 3 priests minimum at the one priory.  Why this hasn’t happened yet with a dozen priests makes no sense.  They could set one up in the Midwest and then go to all their missions every Sunday and not every other Sunday like they do when they fly.  
At the mission I went to the church would be 4X bigger if they had a permanent priest and a small church.  Most families (mine included but for other reasons too) leave either to go to the Sspx or they move to someplace with a church and permanent priest (always being a SSPV location like Montana or Cincinnati).  
I heard from one sister that about 30-40 nuns are away from round for most  of the year (some in Minnesota and maybe Montana).  So about 80-90 stay at round top for the whole year.   

The vast majority of priests and nuns are from about 10 interrelated families.  I am not sure if that causes this weirdness or is a simple byproduct of their Thuc stance. 


Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2022, 06:44:57 PM »
Sounds like a result of yet another trad group falling on some "theologically-certain" article they came up with with dogmatic certainty. :facepalm:

Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2022, 07:50:48 PM »
Ladislaus...where are you getting your information from? I'm no fan of the SSPV due to their schismatic Thuc position but I'm having hard time believing all of this.

Re: CSPV -- what gives? PriestAloneist Doomsday Cult at Round Top?
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2022, 09:07:22 PM »
1) The Priests of both the SSPV and CSPV have always flown on airplanes, and never stopped flying when the intrusive TSA procedures came out. 

The NUNS stopped flying at that time, and for that reason, but the Priests never did. And within the last couple years the nuns have begun flying again too.

2) The CSPV does have one priory outside of Round Top, and that's at Oyster Bay. 2 Priests and one brother live there currently. They will likely open one in Minnesota at some point.

3) One of the CSPV Priests has been suffering from health issues the last few years, issues that cause him to be unable to travel long distances on his own. As a result he is assigned to mostly take care of Round Top on a permanent basis, which works out well given he shouldn't travel a lot.

4) Almost all the CSPV Priests travel on most weekends, and Bishop Santay ofen does too.

5) As they have gotten more Priests they have also opened more missions. Consequently, although their supply of Priests has gone up, the number of places they serve has too, so they aren't able to always give more Masses/attention to their existing chapels.

6) Although all but two of the CSPV Priests LIVE in Round Top technically, often Priests are out at one or another chapel at times other than weekends, for funerals, sick calls, summer Catechism, etc.

7) The rift between Round Top and Cincinnati has largely healed, and Fr. Jenkins has been in Round Top to attend the last few ordinations, and the bishops have been in Cincinnati to do confer Confirmation recently.

8) The issue with setting up priories wherever you think is required, is that normally when a priory is set up I think it's expected that the chapel with the priory largely, or maybe even entirely, support the Priests who are resident there. Some of the CSPV missions can barely afford to fly the Priests in, and definitely couldn't provide them with full time financial support, health insurance, housing, house maintenance costs, etc.

9) Black Eagle MT, White Bear Lake MN, and Cincinnati OH are the three churches with resident Priests of the SSPV. The CSPV help them when needed. It's important to note that when there are sick calls in Mission chapels, sometimes those missions aren't very close to one of the three resident SSPV Priests' chapels, meaning that these Priests might have to fly to get there too. 

10) Bishop Kelly is indeed sick, and has been for a long time. I was told by a Priest that Bishop Kelly comes from a kind-of "sickly" family, and for much of his Priesthood has been ill with one thing or another. 

He has some type of cancer I think, along with various other things. In all the years I have attended the SSPV/CSPV he has been sick and I've never known a time where he has travelling on a Mass circuit at least in the years I have attended their Masses. It does seem odd that Bishop Dolan, Father Cekada, and Father Collins are all gone but Bishop Kelly with his years of sickness is still with us.

11) I too have heard that St. Teresa in Cleveland is dying out, as the parish is mostly made up of older people. I'm not sure why that is, but I could hazard a guess that maybe younger people with young families who start out at Cleveland eventually would want to move to Cincinnati since Father Greenwell and Father Jenkins have a K-12 school there.