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Offline Reginacaeli

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SSPV weddings question
« on: July 22, 2021, 09:17:18 AM »
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    • I am in the process of joining the SSPV and am very excited about it (I previously attended SSPX but moved too far).  I know we are not allowed to attend NO weddings.  I will not be attending the 3 weddings I have been invited to in 2021.

    However!  Our daughter (just starting 2nd year medical school) just announced that she is planning a 2024 wedding.  It will be a New Church ceremony.  Does anyone know if we are forbidden to attend the wedding of our own daughter? Any information is appreciated.  I fully understand why we do not attend these weddings and agree.  However, is there a dispensation for one's son or daughter?  What if we make sure the priest is ordained before 1968?  
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    Offline ByzCat3000

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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #1 on: July 22, 2021, 09:20:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Reginacaeli on July 22, 2021, 09:17:18 AM
    I am in the process of joining the SSPV and am very excited about it (I previously attended SSPX but moved too far).  I know we are not allowed to attend NO weddings.  I will not be attending the 3 weddings I have been invited to in 2021.

    However!  Our daughter (just starting 2nd year medical school) just announced that she is planning a 2024 wedding.  It will be a New Church ceremony.  Does anyone know if we are forbidden to attend the wedding of our own daughter? Any information is appreciated.  I fully understand why we do not attend these weddings and agree.  However, is there a dispensation for one's son or daughter?  What if we make sure the priest is ordained before 1968?  
    I believe traditionally there could be dispensations to attend non Catholic ceremonies for things like weddings so I don't see why a Novus Ordo wedding wouldn't apply.  The only reason I could see for not attending would be if the wedding was invalid somehow (one of the parties divorced and remarried).  BUt I'm much more SSPX than SSPV in mindset so you'd need to ask your priest.
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    Offline Reginacaeli

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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #2 on: July 22, 2021, 09:21:48 AM »
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    • Thank you - I do need to ask my priest but thought I could get an idea of the protocol before I asked him.  I appreciate the reply! 
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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #3 on: July 22, 2021, 09:44:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Reginacaeli on July 22, 2021, 09:21:48 AM
    Thank you - I do need to ask my priest but thought I could get an idea of the protocol before I asked him.  I appreciate the reply!
    You might be able to, but I can't give you anymore than I have.  
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    Offline SperaInDeo

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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #4 on: July 22, 2021, 09:47:17 AM »
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    • SSPX and Resistance protocol for this is to attend out of charity but not to pray their prayers, participate, or receive communion. Feel free to pray the rosary in the back without making a scene. 
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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #5 on: July 22, 2021, 09:53:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Reginacaeli on July 22, 2021, 09:17:18 AM
    What if we make sure the priest is ordained before 1968?  
    The sacrament of marriage is spent by the contracting parties (groom & bride). It's validity doesn't depand on the ordination date of the assisting priest.

    If you are asking for the attendance at the NOM, than that's am entirely different question.
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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #6 on: July 22, 2021, 09:59:16 AM »
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    • If your daughter would be willing to budge on "priest ordained before 1968" is there any chance she'd be open to an SSPX ceremony?  If that was possible I could see that being a good compromise, as Rome says their marriages are valid (I suppose that might change before 2024), but also, SSPV says its acceptable to fully appreciate on SSPX masses.

    I would not take communion or actively participate at the NO as someone else said, but I would attend a wedding.
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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #7 on: July 22, 2021, 10:12:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Against the Heresies on July 22, 2021, 09:53:26 AM
    The sacrament of marriage is spent by the contracting parties (groom & bride). It's validity doesn't depand on the ordination date of the assisting priest.

    If you are asking for the attendance at the NOM, than that's am entirely different question.
    Agreed. As for attending the NO wedding, I'll take the less popular position and say no, don't do it.

    I'm all in with Fr. Wathen here speaking on this very situation - "There is a line there, but I did not put it there"  - because of the principle involved.



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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #8 on: July 22, 2021, 10:32:26 AM »
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    However, is there a dispensation for one's son or daughter?

    You should avoid the wedding altogether and just attend the reception. 
    1) You should avoid the NO out of love for God and the insult that such an abomination causes Him. 
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    2) You should avoid the NO because we should avoid non-catholic services (especially those where there will be a) gross immodesty, b) irreverence and casual atmosphere in church, c) communion-in-the-hand. 
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    3) You should avoid the NO as a sign of displeasure to your daughter, that she may see, by your good example, the error she is committing against the Faith and hopefully she will convert to Tradition in the future.
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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #9 on: July 22, 2021, 10:43:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 22, 2021, 10:32:26 AM
    You should avoid the wedding altogether and just attend the reception.  
    1) You should avoid the NO out of love for God and the insult that such an abomination causes Him.  
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    2) You should avoid the NO because we should avoid non-catholic services (especially those where there will be a) gross immodesty, b) irreverence and casual atmosphere in church, c) communion-in-the-hand.  
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    3) You should avoid the NO as a sign of displeasure to your daughter, that she may see, by your good example, the error she is committing against the Faith and hopefully she will convert to Tradition in the future.
    Wasn't it allowed to attend non Catholic weddings prior to V2 though?

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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #10 on: July 22, 2021, 11:14:04 AM »
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    • Based on pre-Vatican II Canon Law, Catholics may attend (ie. it is not a sin) non-Catholic weddings and funerals, but may not actively participate (be part of the wedding party for example).  Having said that, I can understand why some may not want to attend a Novus Ordo wedding...because not only is it not Catholic, it pretends to be Catholic. 
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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #11 on: July 22, 2021, 11:28:10 AM »
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    • Yes- you are right, it is more the NO attendance than the validity in this case as the sacrament is given to each other.

    I have no problem not attending the NO as it is dreadful.  However,  if it is one's daughter's wedding  ... I will talk to my priest - we are not allowed at NO weddings but I was hoping someone would know if there is a dispensation. 

    I loved the suggestion about seeing if our daughter would join the SPPX but she wants nothing to do with the Latin mass.  My husband is NO all the way and raised all four of them in the NO.  I used to go with them and leave feeling such anxiety.  Now that they are grown young women I am free to attend SSPX and now SSPV.  Deo gratias!!
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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #12 on: July 22, 2021, 11:30:28 AM »
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    • I'm confused...is your SSPV priest telling you you can't go to a non-Catholic wedding..or isn't he?
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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #13 on: July 22, 2021, 11:30:42 AM »
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    • oops I meant to reply to #5 and #6 but did not see a reply button 
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    Offline Reginacaeli

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    Re: SSPV weddings question
    « Reply #14 on: July 22, 2021, 11:33:44 AM »
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    • Reply to #12 - not sure about the non catholic weddings.  My daughter would be NO   (sorry - where does one reply to the post itself - I only see the reply at the bottom and that replies to the last post) 
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