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Offline Vanguard

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Re: SSG School
« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2022, 10:11:44 AM »
While I don’t know much about Schuckart, the original founder who apparently was expelled and is dead, I will say that I think it’s pretty amazing that despite this fact and despite the fact that this world currently is in a downward path, that the CMRI is trying to go against the tide and is bringing the Mass and Catholic faith to many people who would otherwise be out of luck. 

The fact that St. Ignatius Loyola was the founder of the Jesuits doesn’t matter when the present day Jesuits are producing the likes of Jorge Bergolio and others of his ilk who are basically trashing the Catholic faith. 
The CMRI can’t change it’s past, but it can build a better future, if it remains faithful, to traditional Catholic principles and is resolute in it’s Catholic endeavors.

Re: SSG School
« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2022, 05:44:14 PM »
I don't understand why you equate having "baggage" with being "responsible" for it.  GV explained the different quite well.

Father Ripperger speaks of "generational (evil) spirits" that can stay with family line, and the abhorrent sins of Shuckhardt probably still haunt the CMRI.  They need to make a clean break from that guy.

Similarly, it's impossible for people to have any respect for CMRI because of Shuckhardt.
1.  I don't have an issue with your terminology.  Oftentimes people have "baggage", and that does not mean they are responsible for it. 

2.  Exactly what would constitutes a "clean break" for you?  And please don't say taking on a new name because that's just pathetic.  I think we all know that if the CMRI took on a new name, people would STILL bring up its beginnings before the name change.

3.  Don't speak for all people.  You may find it impossible to have any respect for the CMRI, but it's not impossible for people in general to have respect for the CMRI.  I think Bishop Pivarunas is doing an amazing job with the CMRI. It seems to me that he goes out of his way to stay above the fray and to not treat his clergy and religious in a cultish manner. 


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSG School
« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2022, 06:31:40 PM »
2.  Exactly what would constitutes a "clean break" for you?  And please don't say taking on a new name because that's just pathetic.  I think we all know that if the CMRI took on a new name, people would STILL bring up its beginnings before the name change.

New name and a new constitution would largely do it, although there was still a lingering doubt about the validity of the Holy Orders of Daniel Brown.  I don't buy the SSPV smear that he was an Old Catholic, since he did publicly abjure Old Catholicism.  But the Orders were certainly doubtful.  At some point, they were regularized by the +Thuc line bishops.

Re: SSG School
« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2022, 07:10:22 PM »
I think the baggage is whatever, anyone familiar with The Crisis knows that the jurisdictional situation is a mess too, and +Pivarunas doesn't pretend to be an ordinary Bishop in ordinary times, which is very helpful with all of the armchair theologians making dangerous speculative dogmatic statements. The "barebones necessities" mission of the CMRI is what we need right now. ALL of these orgs have skeletons in the closet. I am not expecting anything to be 100% clear cut and clean at this point or ever. I am just happy to have valid priests.

The great thing about the CMRI is that they are getting sacraments to people in remote locations and the priests are relentless in their Mass circuits and will drive to provide last sacraments, which you cannot say for other orgs necessarily. I think every trad group is loose on EENS but I will not hate on  priests that drive all of the way across America for a Mass circuit (Fr. Joseph Pham is doing WA -> Georgia right now and ofc everywhere in between). God bless these priests.

New name and a new constitution would largely do it, although there was still a lingering doubt about the validity of the Holy Orders of Daniel Brown.  I don't buy the SSPV smear that he was an Old Catholic, since he did publicly abjure Old Catholicism.  But the Orders were certainly doubtful.  At some point, they were regularized by the +Thuc line bishops.
Everyone has orders from +McKenna or +Pivarunas at this point.

Offline Mark 79

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Re: SSG School
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2022, 10:11:18 AM »
Vanguard:  I agree with your post.