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Offline Attracta

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Re: SSG School
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2022, 02:35:40 PM »
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  • I do not expect SGG school to survive much longer. Only +Dolan could persuade people to keep sending their children after the 2008-9 disaster. Country-boy +McGuire -- as Fr. McK described him in his sermon today -- does not have the gravitas or the persuasiveness to get people to pay tuition. In fact, SGG may not be able to survive +Dolan's passing. Look for fissures to appear among the clergy very soon. One prediction now in circulation in Ohio is that the out of state missions will exit the SGG orbit and become independent. With no students, the current principal may leave for greener educational pastures, perhaps in publishing. SGG parishioners will soon become disillusioned because +McGuire is definitely not +Dolan and never can be, especially in the sermon department. Without the personality of the "old bishop," as +Dolan quaintly called himself, there's no substance left. People will drift to the CMRI's "Little Flower" Mass Center, Immaculate Conception, or even +Ramolla's place, if only to hear someone serious preach. Also look for new membership in SSPX chapels.


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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #16 on: May 18, 2022, 04:51:23 PM »
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  • Yes, I suspected precisely this now that both of the senior clergy (Bishop Dolan and Father Cekada) have passed away, that the younger priest would not have enough respect and "authority" (in the informal sense) ... related to your term gravitas ... to keep things together.


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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #17 on: May 18, 2022, 04:59:12 PM »
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  • I do not expect SGG school to survive much longer. Only +Dolan could persuade people to keep sending their children after the 2008-9 disaster. Country-boy +McGuire -- as Fr. McK described him in his sermon today -- does not have the gravitas or the persuasiveness to get people to pay tuition. In fact, SGG may not be able to survive +Dolan's passing. Look for fissures to appear among the clergy very soon. One prediction now in circulation in Ohio is that the out of state missions will exit the SGG orbit and become independent. With no students, the current principal may leave for greener educational pastures, perhaps in publishing. SGG parishioners will soon become disillusioned because +McGuire is definitely not +Dolan and never can be, especially in the sermon department. Without the personality of the "old bishop," as +Dolan quaintly called himself, there's no substance left. People will drift to the CMRI's "Little Flower" Mass Center, Immaculate Conception, or even +Ramolla's place, if only to hear someone serious preach. Also look for new membership in SSPX chapels.
    So what is going to happen then with that big church they built in West Chester?

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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #18 on: May 18, 2022, 07:16:57 PM »
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  • SSG’s “church” really isn’t all that big.  It was originally meant to be a gymnasium for SGG’s school; but it was pressed into service as a church, when the parishioners balked at building the multi-million dollar “sermon in stone” that Dolan originally wanted.  The school, built to have a capacity for 200 to 300, only housed (at most) two dozen or so pupils.  (Most of the “school rooms” have been used to store Dolan’s ecclesiastical paraphernalia that he acquired over the years.)  Both the church and school have had structural problems, including several roof leaks, plumbing and HVAC problems, and animal infestation (raccoons and mice).  If human enrollment shrinks, perhaps the facility might find new life as an indoor zoo. 

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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #19 on: May 18, 2022, 07:33:06 PM »
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  • SSG’s “church” really isn’t all that big.  It was originally meant to be a gymnasium for SGG’s school; but it was pressed into service as a church, when the parishioners balked at building the multi-million dollar “sermon in stone” that Dolan originally wanted.  The school, built to have a capacity for 200 to 300, only housed (at most) two dozen or so pupils.  (Most of the “school rooms” have been used to store Dolan’s ecclesiastical paraphernalia that he acquired over the years.)  Both the church and school have had structural problems, including several roof leaks, plumbing and HVAC problems, and animal infestation (raccoons and mice).  If human enrollment shrinks, perhaps the facility might find new life as an indoor zoo.

    I was just going by the picture on their website.  Admittedly, it does look a little "off" in the picture, as though it was retro-fitted or something.  Now it makes sense.

    I've never been to the West Chester church, though I have been to the old church in Sharonville.  I want to say I have been there twice, and was comparing notes with my mother --- she and I went by ourselves one time, as my father was sick and had to stay at the hotel --- though I can't recall the details of both trips.  I distinctly remember my father going with us, in fact, we had to stop at a Kmart to get my mother a scarf to cover her head, but...

    Maybe I dreamed that part or something.  Doesn't pay to get old.  


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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #20 on: May 18, 2022, 10:38:06 PM »
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  • I was just going by the picture on their website.  Admittedly, it does look a little "off" in the picture, as though it was retro-fitted or something.  Now it makes sense.

    I've never been to the West Chester church, though I have been to the old church in Sharonville.  I want to say I have been there twice, and was comparing notes with my mother --- she and I went by ourselves one time, as my father was sick and had to stay at the hotel --- though I can't recall the details of both trips.  I distinctly remember my father going with us, in fact, we had to stop at a Kmart to get my mother a scarf to cover her head, but...

    Maybe I dreamed that part or something.  Doesn't pay to get old. 

    I enjoy your stories.  Thanks SimpleMan :)
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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #21 on: May 18, 2022, 11:48:18 PM »
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  • I enjoy your stories.  Thanks SimpleMan :)
    And I enjoy writing them.  My father has been gone from us ten months now.  My mother is utterly destroyed and, while she has no life-threatening conditions (at least not so far as anyone knows), the companionship of my son --- her only grandchild --- is the only thing that keeps her going.  He stays with her while I maintain my parents' larger house --- it's a win-win for everyone, I get more space, she gets a compact house that is easy for her to maneuver, and my son has staked out a large portion of the house as his territory.  I go there to homeschool him, as well as to run errands too numerous to count for the two of them.

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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #22 on: May 19, 2022, 07:45:56 AM »
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  • That's a great arrangement:  just like the old days, when family -- not some impersonal nursing home (= death camp) "took care" of them.  BTW, my grandkids are a great joy to me as well.


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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #23 on: May 20, 2022, 12:35:16 PM »
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  • I've asked my friends who attend SGG to confirm to me the current situation with the principal at SGG school.

    I do know that Fr. Lehtoranta has been heavily involved in running the school but I am waiting to hear back what Mr. Lotarski's current role is and whether Fr. Lehtoranta is principal or director of the school.
    Thank you for this.  I don't know why I do not get e-mail notifications.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #24 on: May 20, 2022, 12:36:36 PM »
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  • I confirmed that Mark Lotarski retired from being principal and Fr. Lehtoranta is the principal now.
    Really?  Wow!  Now I need to know if there are still issues.  Is it safe to send your children there?
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #25 on: May 20, 2022, 12:38:10 PM »
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  • Really?  Wow!  Now I need to know if there are still issues.  Is it safe to send your children there?
    Unfortunately I cannot speak to that, as I don't know anyone who has children currently in the school and I live in Canada.


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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #26 on: May 20, 2022, 12:38:35 PM »
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  • So did Lotarski resign(?) recently after the death of Bishop Dolan?  If so, the timing suggests that he no longer has protection from Bishop Dolan.
    I guessed that long ago.  There would be no reason to keep him otherwise.  But much reason to let him go.  They kick other people out easy enough.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #27 on: May 20, 2022, 01:38:21 PM »
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  • I got berated by some pant-wearing females over the issue.  I simply asked “Does anyone know who the principal is at Saint Gertrude the Great now? Would you recommend that school to parents with young children? The questions are for anyone with first-hand knowledge. Thank you very much!”

    See the comments in the below thread:

    https://novusordowatch.org/2022/05/francis-message-to-lgbtq-catholics/#disqus_thread

    Remember what happened in the 50’s and 60’s when the clergy was not held accountable? 

    A simple answer to the question would have sufficed.  But no, the clergy that wreck souls are the good guys.  People with legitimate and important questions are bad for even asking.  Sede-land can be a scary place.  Sends people back to the NO or worse. An accurate response could have even helped SSG if there is improvement, since two of the three main characters in that scandal which was ongoing are gone.  Anyone who did not know anything about the situation could not have gleaned any information from that comment.  It was quite innocuous.  I think they responded in such a way because I inadvertently offended them about pant-wearing when I just assumed them to be traditional Catholics since they were SV.  So that was a kind of getchyaback type of thing.  Plus, one of them seems to think Trump and Biden would be equally harmful to the country and does not like my views on that.

    But on the topic, I now will share the following points:

    I wasn't sure why it was bad to ask if it is an ongoing problem.  Scandal is a terrible sin, especially for children.  And families.  Souls are involved and people like to pretend it didn't happen, smooth it over, or act like there is still no problem.  Daring to ask about is considered terrible.  I feel like I'm missing something.  The traditional clergy is all we have, if we don't hold them accountable what will be left?  I'm perfectly fine being the "bad guy" if it discourages future clergy from pulling the same stunt.  I’m aware of people who did not have children who left SSG on principal alone.  There was an utter lack of accountability at SSG. 

    The "stars" that left SSPX seem to have more baggage than CMRI (I’ve been on record saying if I had a vote for pope, it would be bishop Pivarunas.)  You can’t argue with CMRI's position on the liturgy and and I certainly hold the pure-sv position over the novel Material/Formal position.  I tend to like the views of the former SSPXers more (means nothing in the grand scheme of things), but they tend to be more cultish quite frankly.  I think the original 9 and even the three that left after that, apart from those in groups tend to be very good, however.  Ahern, Collins, and I think McMahon is good despite his past.  But the rest leave you wondering.  My wife has encountered problems with the SSPX.  I learned first-hand about what went on with the Society of Saint John.  Our experience with SSPV was atrocious.  How do you explain it?

    It is hard to respect people who value agendas more than truth (we must not warn people with children about the danger to their souls if it means anything negative about clergy).  The frustration with being ignored by clergy over hugely important issues, the proper route for solving things not being acknowledged led people to take another path.  It leaves people scandalized and bitter.  I know people were very hurt over any number of things pertaining to that dynamic duo.  I don't doubt there was good about them.  They were certainly important historical figures.  But in that position, you have to be extra careful about public scandal.  I think every person in existence falls into one of two categories.  They are either good people who sometimes have done or do bad things.  Or bad people who sometimes do good things.  We have no way of knowing for sure, who is who, unless it is revealed with undeniable proof.  If I feel like I do, imagine how people feel that are not familiar with the faith and go by how they are treated or what they see around them.  When clergy lead souls to hell, which results in their reputation getting ruined for accurate reasons, perhaps that's good?  Accountability indeed is a good thing.  And someone has to do it.  There is no visible authority they have to answer to, and that has proven to be a bad thing.  A Pope is necessary for so many reasons!


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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #28 on: May 20, 2022, 02:19:28 PM »
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  • I'll go on record to say I'm not aware that CMRI has any baggage at all.  That is, I am not aware of any bad characters, or ill-treatment of their parishioners, seminarians or students. 
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: SSG School
    « Reply #29 on: May 20, 2022, 09:31:32 PM »
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  • I'll go on record to say I'm not aware that CMRI has any baggage at all.

    While there was a significant house-cleaning and notable improvement, the CMRI has baggage by the truckload.  See Bp. Schuckardt.
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