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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSG School
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2022, 07:38:57 AM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis on May 20, 2022, 09:31:32 PM
While there was a significant house-cleaning and notable improvement, the CMRI has baggage by the truckload.  See Bp. Schuckardt.

Yeah, given the early days of CMRI ... particularly related to its founder ... how can anyone claim that CMRI has no baggage unless they're deluded and in denial?
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2022, 07:43:49 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on May 20, 2022, 01:38:21 PM
The "stars" that left SSPX seem to have more baggage than CMRI (I’ve been on record saying if I had a vote for pope, it would be bishop Pivarunas.)  You can’t argue with CMRI's position on the liturgy and and I certainly hold the pure-sv position over the novel Material/Formal position.

:facepalm:  +Pivarunas who denies EENS dogma and approves of NFP?  While he seems like a "nice guy," he's not really much of an intellectual.  Ah, the "PURE" SV position ... which is wrong.  Sedeprivationism makes the most sense by far, and it solves and puts to bed nearly all the legitimate objections to "pure" sedevacantism.

CMRI has twice published an article:  "The Salvation of those Outside the Church" ... a DIRECT WORD FOR WORD contradiction of EENS dogma.  They don't even pay lip service to the dogmatic formula, pretending that, well, there are people who are outside the Church but really inside the Church, but rather contradict the dogmatic formula word for word.  They might as well have published an article entitled, "The Original Sin of Mary".

EENS denial and the resultant ecclesiology (or partial belonging to the Church by non-Catholics) is absolutely at the root of the V2 ecclesiology, and if you believe as CMRI does about it, then there's absolutely zero justification for rejecting V2 as heretical.  When asked what's erroneous or heretical about V2, the first thing that comes out of most sedevacantists' mouth is the ecclesiology.  And yet they hold to principles that are identical to the foundations of V2 ecclesiology.
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Offline Vanguard

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« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2022, 12:20:14 PM »
While I think that Ladislaus has some points, I also think that hitting Bishop Pivarunas on just being a nice guy without too much concern for dogma is misleading. 
First off, I will state that I disagree with Bishop Pivarunas on EENS and BOD. However, I do think that his position has been taught through most of the 20th century in catechisms, etc. He is merely trying to uphold what he has learned. In addition, I think all of the other Sede and otherwise bishops believe the same thing. The CMRI is just more honest about it. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to see the contradiction in any of it. We can only pray for them. 
Secondly, regarding NFP, it shouldn’t be considered in such a negative light IMO. We use breakthroughs in science all the time that allow for people to live longer e.g. dialysis, antibiotics, insulin etc. just to name a few of those from the 20th century. I don’t understand why we wouldn’t be able to use scientific knowledge for better regulation of birth, especially for those who may have extreme struggles and stress either with mental health issues or financial issues or physical issues. Yes, trust in God, but why not help yourself? I think Bishop Pivarunas is correct on this. 
Finally, Bishop Pivarunas is a very nice person, his priests I’ve met are kind and helpful. He started and maintains a seminary, and some of his priests have weighed in on things like the vaccine that have been helpful and public. Jesus used fishermen, and figures like David to confound. I think we should pray for him and his priests to help them do the will of God. 
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Offline songbird

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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2022, 05:05:18 PM »
Vanguard:  I agree with your post.
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Offline Yeti

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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2022, 07:47:57 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 21, 2022, 07:38:57 AM
Yeah, given the early days of CMRI ... particularly related to its founder ... how can anyone claim that CMRI has no baggage unless they're deluded and in denial?
Schuckhardt was expelled by the other clergy of the CMRI. I don't understand how the people currently in charge of the CMRI can be responsible for an evil that they actively drove out of their community.
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