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Offline TheKnightVigilant

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« on: February 22, 2014, 11:18:24 AM »
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  • [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/1FqxwGYCfpo[/youtube]

     :facepalm: :barf:


    Offline holysoulsacademy

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    « Reply #1 on: February 22, 2014, 11:29:16 AM »
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  • Can't even make it past 1:00 minute, have to hurl!


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #2 on: February 22, 2014, 12:44:37 PM »
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    You can "share your thoughts" on the YouTube page -- no one else has!!

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     Published on Dec 18, 2013

    What Makes Good Shepherd Catholic Church Unique? Menomonee Falls, WI.
    Unique by Deacon Sandy Sites, December 2013; the unique features of Good Shepherd Catholic Church, Deacon Sandy Sites is our Parish Director; No kneelers; baked unleavened bread for communion; bow to presider, bow to assembly; ask assembly for prayers for world and individual concerns; communal bow before receiving Eucharist; communion to the homebound; personal prayer available after mass with trained ministers; use of audio/video, powerful homilies, © 2013 Good Shepherd Catholic Church




    Is this "unique?!"[/b]


    Having a 'deacon' named 'Sandy' is unique?
    No kneelers is unique?
    Baked unleavened bread for communion is unique?
    Bow to presider is unique?
    Bow to assembly is unique?
    Ask assembly for prayers for world and individual concerns is unique?
    Communal bow before receiving Eucharist is unique?
    Communion to the homebound is unique?
    Personal prayer available after mass with trained ministers is unique?
    Use of audio/video is unique?
    Powerful homilies -- really??  This I'd like to see!!


    How do they figure this is anything "unique" for NovusOrdo "faith communities?"  (Using 'faith community' sounds so much more "unique," that everyone is using it, now.  How "unique" is that?)

    Show me a "powerful homily!"  


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    Offline Cantarella

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    « Reply #3 on: February 22, 2014, 12:59:56 PM »
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  • Mmmmm
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #4 on: February 22, 2014, 01:41:00 PM »
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    But the video itself has other 'unique' stuff in it:



    Good Shepherd has no good shepherd, because it has no priest -- a lay minister/administrator!  
    Isn't that special?

    Good Shepherd has a "greeter" -- you know, like they have at Wal*Mart, to enhance your shopping experience!
    Isn't that special?

    At Good Shepherd the "welcome" doesn't stop at the door.  No, people keep assaulting you with "welcomes" while you're trying to pray in the "worship space."
    Isn't that special?

    During the "powerful homilies," Good Shepherd uses Powerpoint Slideshows on video screens, you know, like Protestants do, because they have no Real Presence in the Eucharist, but only Real Expensive PA systems.  
    Isn't that special?

    At Good Shepherd, they do a "pre-mass" when everyone who isn't a regular has to stand up and introduce themselves, while a hidden member with a WyFi connection checks out their story to see if they're a sex offender or whatever.
    Isn't that special?

    At Good Shepherd, they ask for anniversaries and birthdays, so they can celebrate those instead of the Eucharist (they don't have any Eucharist because there's no priest).
    Isn't that special?

    At Good Shepherd, there are no kneelers because Good Shepherdians don't belive in them.  They think that STANDING is the way to go -- you wouldn't kneel before President Obama, would you?  So why kneel before the Eucharist -- oh, wait -- there ain't any.  Sorry.
    Isn't that special?

    At Good Shepherd, they STAND during the 'consecration' to respect the "presence of Christ, now being consecrated in the Eucharist."  Uhhh... no priest, no validity, no Sacrament... am I missing something?  
    Isn't that special?

    At Good Shepherd, the ministers bow to the assembly and the assembly bows to the ministers, to "recognize the presence of Christ in everyone."  Remember -- there is no Real Presence in the Eucharist, so you take what you can get.  Get it?
    Isn't that special?

    Then there's the Prayer for World Concerns and Personal Concerns.  Everyone gets to contribute.  I used to get a lot of mileage on this one when I was a Novordien.  I would always announce loudly, "FOR THE COLLEGIAL CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY BY THE POPE AND ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE WORLD."  To which the whole church would then reply, "Lord hear our prayer."  I was convinced that some of them present would never have prayed for that otherwise.
    Isn't that special?

    At "Good" Shepherd, they use BREAD, instead of wafers or hosts, "not that either is more valid or better than the other."  (Deacon Sandy should read up a little bit better before sticking his foot in his mouth.  In the Western Roman Rite, leavened bread is invalid ipso facto, by the fact that it is made with yeast.)
    Isn't that special?

    The Eucharistic Ministers have to get their hands into the mix, because they actually bake the bread that is used for 'communion'.  And since they FEEL that they are more INVOLVED because for YEARS they have been getting their HANDS into the MIX, therefore, it's better this way. (Ain't that just a BRILLIANT invention?!)
    Isn't that special?

    Communion to the homebound:  The Body of Christ taking the Body of Christ to the Body of Christ.  This is so meaningful.  Redefinition is always fun.  NOT!  Roger Cardinal Mahony did this (redefinition) from sunup to sundown.  It's one of the many reasons I gave up on the Newchurch Nonsense.
    Isn't that special?

    Expert Assistance in "break open prayer" after mass, with a trained minister -- to catch up on any of the personal needs that were not met in mass.  (Is this done in a private room without supervision?  Ah-hem!  Don't let your children go in there.)  They allow that to happen after 'mass' in a very special way!
    Isn't that special?

    At Good Shepherd they have 70 Ministries ... 70 Ministries  (like Certs with a drop of Retsyn, two, two, two mints in one!)
    Isn't that special?


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    « Reply #5 on: February 22, 2014, 05:04:17 PM »
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  • "Of Human Hands" hook.line and sinker. Something for everybody,except Jesus.  :facepalm:

    Offline The Penny Catechism

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    « Reply #6 on: February 22, 2014, 05:45:28 PM »
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  • here I go with another controversial post...


    "The Spirit of Vatican II in Action" to "The Spirit of Traditionalism in Action
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    1.)heresy here...heresy there...heresy heresy everywhere = end of movie.
    2.)not pointing the finger at anybody for you see this at "The Remnant"/ "CFN"/ "Voris" (different but same tenor). Personally, I enjoy reading forum members posts; especially those bringing pinpoint intellectual anaylsis and whose musings and research bring awareness to Church teaching.

    1.)With as many intelligent and 'plugged in' members here; surprised there's not more musings of people taking things to the next level...of asking now what?...what the bigger picture? In part, reconciling the God who wills, "all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth." [1 Tim. 2:4] - with us Trads who know we are in the True Religion, yet knowing that our neighbor is in a Counterfeit Religion...and feeling that gap in not doing anything to change their error (not easy, I know).
    2.)Perhaps the next level requires one to incorporate on paper, strategies using: innovative thought, social engineering, quantum thinking, spiritual technology with a directed intention... just whatever fits your gifts/ drives/ experience etc.... I'm not saying that I have the answer, I just want to throw out a different point of view to creatively stimulate those for who it fits...

    1.)to creatively transcend past the recognition of evil to actually combating it... like from the sidelines onto the playing field, actively engaged in promoting the Kingdom of God (easier said than done).
    2.)not in a confrontational way per se, or even an 'aggressive' angered attack. Rather focused on being tactical on the battlefield and strategic in seeing the bigger picture. To not ignore the minefields of propaganda and world politics, but...for lack of a better word, be "smart" in planning your strategy.

    1.)"Smart" not in how detailed you can go back or show others how "smart" you are to look good; but rather a deep seated common sense in allowing God's grace to inspire you to where He wants you to advance His perogatives...then using your rigor, veracity or erudtion of knowledge as a means to an end (promote the desires of Jesus Christ); rather than as an end to itself...speaking of
    2.)knowledge as an end to itself - what comes to my mind is B16 (his resume on paper is INSANE in terms of books published, doctorate in theology, Vatican access, etc.). In looking back at his pontificate his knowledge was a stumbling block that confused him, blinding his intellectual pride to the simple truths of the Faith. With what he knew, it's obvious that the light of the gospel revealed Itself to him in vain; and unchanging Catholic Dogma meant foolishness... I digress  
    3.)so in the above mindblowing heretical Church in WI: channeling the initial disgust of this V-II Church and re-interpret (kinda like creating your own reality) as an opportunity to allow God to use you to be a vehicle of grace.... ie.... a short prayer/ or rosary for their conversion. Afterwards, a strategic email to the Deacon Church in WI; inquiring with charity some of their errors. Not using psychological warfare tactics, but charity (what will make them more likely to listen)...They may tell me to 'f' off... but at least it's a start (lol)....for those it fits.  

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    « Reply #7 on: February 22, 2014, 06:57:38 PM »
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  • The spirit of Vatican II has been in the background in the Church for a long time (200 years+) and moved to the forefront in the 1960's.
    This is different than other times in Church history for more reasons than I can count,but the main reason is because the people wanted it and let it happen.
    The only one that can stop this spiritual war is God and sooner or later he will intervene. The deception is just too perverse and it's tentacles infect every part of our life.

    I'm not the most learned person but I have some common sense. The numbers of true believers is shrinking as opposed to all the rest of the pagans. Just like Lott and Sodom and Gomorrah,this thing will go full circle. If you think the Church will heal itself from within. I think that happening without intervention will not happen. Now is the time to be watchful and take care of each other because the time is short.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 22, 2014, 07:31:31 PM »
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  • http://americamagazine.org/content/all-things/acts-young-apostles-controversy-eastside-catholic


    Editor’s Note: Mark Zmuda, the former vice principal of Eastside Catholic High School in Sammamish, Wash., was forced to resign in December after it became known that he married a man. Since then, students have held rallies in support of Mr. Zmuda. In this guest blog post, John D. Whitney, S.J., pastor of St. Joseph Church in Seattle and a former provincial superior of the Oregon Province of the Society of Jesus, reflects on the students’ response. The essay was originally published in the St. Joseph parish bulletin on Jan. 12.

    “Being prophets may sometimes imply making waves. I do not know how to put it…. Prophecy makes noise, uproar, some say ‘a mess.’ But in reality, the charism of religious people is like yeast: prophecy announces the spirit of the Gospel.”
    - Pope Francis on religious life in an interview in America (9/30)

    “The thought comes to me of the temptation, which perhaps we might have and that so many have, of connecting the proclamation of the Gospel with inquisitorial blows of condemnation. No, the Gospel is proclaimed with gentleness, with fraternity, with love.”
    - Pope Francis in a homily on Jan. 3 at the Church of the Gesu in Rome

    We must imagine the scene: the church, still subject to occasional bouts of persecution and yet growing feverishly among both Jєωs and Gentiles alike, faces a great conflict: How are Gentiles to be admitted into the community? Must they first become Jєωs, i.e., accept the Mosaic law and the signs of the covenant through circuмcision? Or can they adapt the path of Jesus within their own cultural framework? (Acts 15)


    To us, from the distance of 2,000 years, the answer may seem self-evident; yet, for many in that first community around Jerusalem, to release Gentiles from the strictures of the ancient covenant was to surrender to the culture of the day, to abandon the practice of faith in which Jesus himself was known to engage. It seemed, to these Jєωιѕн-Christians, that the church was being asked to surrender to the desires of the world, to become “politically correct,” all for the sake of not offending its new converts. On the other hand, there stood in their midst those who worked among the Gentiles or who had gone to them, and testified to the power of the Spirit within them. Peter, Paul and Barnabas spoke forcefully for a new vision and a new understanding of the faith.

    What is most amazing about this moment in the church is how the community comes to decide, together, what is to be done. There is debate and disruption, but it is not seen as division; rather, it is the way the Holy Spirit is working within the community. Further, this debate is grounded on human experience, and not on tradition or on the power of office. Rather than beginning with Scripture—the Torah or the Prophets—the community begins with the experience of the faithful: the testimony of Peter, Paul and Barnabas, none of whom claim special authority in the face of the communal discernment, but all of whom, instead, simply testify to the way in which they have seen the Gentiles touched and filled with the grace of the Holy Spirit. Only then does James, in response, note that “the words of the prophets agree with this” (rather than “this agrees with the prophets”). The understanding of God and the meaning of the tradition comes not from a measured and disengaged reflection by those in authority, but in the noisy, messy and (some might say) undignified uproar of the community of faith. Here is diversity without division, complexity without separation, debate and dissent without the need for punishment or condemnation. In listening for the living Spirit of Christ Jesus, the church begins by listening to the sinners and seekers who are his body in the world......."

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    « Reply #9 on: February 23, 2014, 08:01:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: fast777
    Now is the time to be watchful and take care of each other because the time is short.


    True, the time may be short. But keep in mind, you can still choose what interpretation 'you' take, thereby affecting what emotional reaction you will express.

    - One way is by fear: Fear will make you a prey to seduction and 'magical' thinking; thus being misdirected toward a belief or goal that isn't there or achievable. The government, advertisers, anybody with a buck to make; are manipulating your reality through your consciousness to 'buy' what they have to sell. Ultimately, fear will make you over-estimate the enemy; resulting in a sterile life that becomes devoid of any real charitable actions. If you nourish fear, it can surpass the amount of love in your heart & in your soul; - making you timid and vulnerable. Love of God is the only cure to keep you out of this danger.

    - Another way is take the interpretation as one of 'opportunity - negating fear will help you free your mind and better adapt to chaos and change... and allows God to use you spontaneously if a particular crisis needs your particular involvement. If you are in the state of grace, all of your good actions have a supernatural 'gold' value to it; thus the gaining eternally, a higher state of union with God.

    x. Given the state of the world, a mindset to choose could be one with an undercurrent of... : if I really cared about Jesus Christ (knowing that He came into this world b/c of Adam's sin) then I should be really pissed off at the SIN in the world; greater now numerically and arguably quantitatively than at any point in the history of mankind... therefore; I would want this world to end so the reign of sin will end.... think of all of the Blessed Sacraments where nobody CAN visit Jesus because the doors are locked. Jesus is probably suffering from our negligence, ingratitude, and BS now more than ever before. Relieves that kind of stress that continued focus on yourself/or fear does (because now your focused on Jesus instead)... if this mindset doesn't work, perhaps; one adapted to your own particular situation (and I'll share part of mine)...
    y. think of all of the sins you might have committed if everything was honky-dory. I know for myself, I would have put off any serious study of the Catholic Faith, still buying sports cars and know for a fact I would have slipped horribly in fornication... so a way to look at events is to supernaturally clean up your life and better secure your eternal salvation.

    St. Peter’s pragmatism - “Labor the more, that by good works you may make your calling and election sure (2 Pet I 10).
    St. Anselm's words of wisdom- “If thou wouldst be certain of being in the number of the elect, strive to be one of the few, not of the many. And if thou wouldst be quite sure of thy salvation, strive to be among the fewest of the few; that is to say: Do not follow the great majority of mankind, but follow those who enter upon the narrow way, who renounce the world, who give themselves to prayer, and who never relax their efforts by day or by night, that they may attain everlasting felicity.”  'The Four Last Things/ Death, Judgment, Hell, Heaven' pg. 221

    Rosary - I don't know if you meditate on the mysteries, but I found from time to time to use motivational reading when in a rut... for example in the 'The Mystical City of God' the angel Gabriel informed the BVM that she had but 3 years to live during the end of her life ~ and her response was to kick it up a notch; "...and so multiplied her exercises of devotion, that it seemed as if she wished to make up for any relaxation or negligence in her fervor up to that time." pg. 593 Book IV. - what a work ethic!!! Of all the people who had walked the face of this earth besides Jesus; she was in least need of meritorious works!