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Quote from: Ladislaus
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I agree that not caring whether something is heretical clearly suggests formal heresy.


And what do you do with this agreement?


That's the problem.  Nothing.  There's nothing to do but to wait for God to resolve this crisis.  Unless you're a conclavist; in that cast the problem has already been solved by the election of Bawden.

Someone in authority has to rebuke him and get the wheels turning on an Imperfect Council, but that won't happen because most of the hierarchy is as doctrinally corrupt as Francis.  Thus the conundrum.



An imperfect council cannot depose any Pope. No one can judge the Pope. Have you forgotten this?

How can you do "nothing" when it comes to the Pope issue, but with all the rest you can? Why don't you keep going to the Novus Ordo until someone in authority does something about it?



Will it rain tomorrow?

Perhaps it will, I don't know.

See there, you just admitted that it will rain tomorrow!       :judge:



What logic!


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Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Ladislaus
I agree that not caring whether something is heretical clearly suggests formal heresy.


And what do you do with this agreement?


That's the problem.  Nothing.  There's nothing to do but to wait for God to resolve this crisis.  Unless you're a conclavist; in that cast the problem has already been solved by the election of Bawden.

Someone in authority has to rebuke him and get the wheels turning on an Imperfect Council, but that won't happen because most of the hierarchy is as doctrinally corrupt as Francis.  Thus the conundrum.



An imperfect council cannot depose any Pope. No one can judge the Pope. Have you forgotten this?


But you on the other hand CAN depose a pope?  It's been clearly proven that nothing less than an Imperfect Council would be in a position to authoritatively discern the vacancy of the Holy See, not armchair theologian grandmothers in sedevacantist chapels.  It's not a question of deposition but of the Church discerning that deposition has taken place.  It cannot be left up to the private judgment of haughty windbags.  At least Sedeprivationism acknowledges this, that only the Church can materially appoint Popes and this discernment would be equally necessary for the material vacancy to happen.

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Disputaciones
Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Ladislaus
I agree that not caring whether something is heretical clearly suggests formal heresy.


And what do you do with this agreement?


That's the problem.  Nothing.  There's nothing to do but to wait for God to resolve this crisis.  Unless you're a conclavist; in that cast the problem has already been solved by the election of Bawden.

Someone in authority has to rebuke him and get the wheels turning on an Imperfect Council, but that won't happen because most of the hierarchy is as doctrinally corrupt as Francis.  Thus the conundrum.



An imperfect council cannot depose any Pope. No one can judge the Pope. Have you forgotten this?


But you on the other hand CAN depose a pope?  It's been clearly proven that nothing less than an Imperfect Council would be in a position to authoritatively discern the vacancy of the Holy See, not armchair theologian grandmothers in sedevacantist chapels.  It's not a question of deposition but of the Church discerning that deposition has taken place.  It cannot be left up to the private judgment of haughty windbags.  At least Sedeprivationism acknowledges this, that only the Church can materially appoint Popes and this discernment would be equally necessary for the material vacancy to happen.


You know well that no sedevacantist ever says that we personally depose Popes, we just recognize that they have deposed themselves according to what the Church teaches. You know this well so why do you keep repeating it?

This is why I ask you, what living authority has told you to reject Vatican 2 and the entire new religion? What authority told you to stay aloof from the Novus Ordo parishes/churches/etc.?

According to what you say, we would all have to sit tight until an authority comes along and vindicates us and abandon traditionalism.

It's an honest question, I'm not seeking to win debates anymore and to engage in insults etc.

And why would you need an imperfect council just for the pope issue? What about all the rest?