Author Topic: Sophistry (Read 5576 times)

Caminus · « **on:** July 12, 2010, 08:15:43 PM »

Let this be a thread where the new and improved popular Mike can provide evidence of my many sophistries while providing an adequate refutation. Maybe you can even invite your French exemplaries over to help you in this endeavor.

umblehay anmay · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2010, 09:01:44 AM »

Is this going to be the big thread devoted to your promise to refute the early church fathers who rejected BOD?

CMMM · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2010, 09:31:17 AM »

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Is this going to be the big thread devoted to your promise to refute the early church fathers who rejected BOD?

Which Fathers?

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CEXELJ40

Belloc · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2010, 09:34:43 AM »

CMMM, where have you been hiding-have not seen you in awhile here......

Caminus · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2010, 09:41:40 AM »

Quote from: umblehay anmay

Is this going to be the big thread devoted to your promise to refute the early church fathers who rejected BOD?

No, this is where Mike gets to expose all of my wretched sophistries by which I am misleading the masses.

I also invite his right-hand-woman, the ever-cordial, Miss Dawn, who has claimed I promote error and heresy, to participate as well.

People make all kinds of rash claims for sensation. Now it's time to back it up. Or they can simply apologize and move on.

CMMM · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2010, 09:51:48 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

CMMM, where have you been hiding-have not seen you in awhile here......

I've been around, spend more time reading and laughing than arguing.

Laughter, I find, is far better for yourself than arguing.

Trinity · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2010, 09:52:06 AM »

While you're at it, Caminus, see if you can extract a few apologies for the false witness they've born against Myrna and myself. I honestly think you will have better luck extracting your own teeth.

Belloc · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2010, 09:58:09 AM »

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CMMM, where have you been hiding-have not seen you in awhile here......

I've been around, spend more time reading and laughing than arguing.

Laughter, I find, is far better for yourself than arguing.

true, the bad rap some trads have is more :argue: :cussing: and far less :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh1:

than they should do......

Belloc · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2010, 10:02:34 AM »

Quote from: Caminus

Quote from: umblehay anmay
Is this going to be the big thread devoted to your promise to refute the early church fathers who rejected BOD?

No, this is where Mike gets to expose all of my wretched sophistries by which I am misleading the masses.

I also invite his right-hand-woman, the ever-cordial, Miss Dawn, who has claimed I promote error and heresy, to participate as well.

People make all kinds of rash claims for sensation. Now it's time to back it up. Or they can simply apologize and move on.

I disagree on occasion w/Dawn , but she is a nice lady, agree or disagree with her at times...

Trinity-maybe the MOUNT can do their own SV forum and you will no longer have to feel the "hate".....a site with the BVM on one site, the waving USA flag on the other.......some sites can play music, maybe Toby Keith....."we'll put a boot...."

oops, now will likely get 9 ignores, whoa-is-me... :shocked:

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2010, 10:04:28 AM »

CMMM-see, humor is a lot funner!! :dancing-banana:

Raoul76 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2010, 10:45:43 AM »

When you start up with your sophistries again, I will be sure to point them out as they occur. Yesterday with Cecilia you picked up with your favorite, that she was not making proper distinctions. Your distinctions have a way of exonerating anti-Christs, or attempting to. I will admit there are times when I will see a heresy where there isn't one, and I do appreciate correction. But you bend over backwards to defend EVERYTHING your pet anti-Popes do and say. I knew there was something wrong from the beginning when you downplayed, if not pooh-poohed, the entire idea of Freemasons in the Church, as if it were irrelevant.

One feature of sophistry is its convoluted and tortured logic. You try to make yourself sound like Garrigou-Lagrange, but the science is not there, it's all an act. You are self-learned and have an imperfect grasp of theological concepts. That's okay, so do I -- the difference is that I admit it. You never say simply what can be said in a mind-clouding and convoluted way, that is long on rhetoric but often bereft of substance.

Someone more innocent than myself might mistakenly believe you know what you're talking about. Well, this habit of speaking in inflated and twisted language to intimidate sheep who are afraid to go against someone they think knows better than they do is a habit of... Guess who? That's right, it is the exact same bullying, pseudo-intellectual routine of the man you love to defend, Joseph Ratzinger. That, on top of the fact that you clearly bear a loathing for sedevacantists, one that you think justifies you hissing at them like a serpent, makes you a particularly unpleasant character.

Why do you think you have this many ignores? Lots of people on this board are SSPX, but even they won't defend you.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2010, 10:59:13 AM »

Trinity said:

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While you're at it, Caminus, see if you can extract a few apologies for the false witness they've born against Myrna and myself. I honestly think you will have better luck extracting your own teeth.

There's the irony, because you just bore false witness against me by saying that I bore false witness. You accuse someone pretty lightly of being non-Catholic and breaking commandments... What false witness? I said you were an implied Americanist, and you are.

An actual Americanist is someone who thinks all religions are more or less roads to heaven. An implied Americanist is someone who thinks the system of government we have in the U.S., one that places erroneous, false religions on a par with the true religion, is the best form of government. You apparently don't want Christ to rule over nations, you think everyone should be free to do what they want, and of course that is what leads to rampant immorality and heresy. You don't say that in so many words, but how else am I to take it when you praise our form of government as "the best"? "Best" means "better than the rest," and you are saying that you prefer our government to Catholic governments.

That is implied Americanism, it is also implied Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, "liberty, equality, fraternity," because the whole philosophy comes from Masonry that man should not be coerced to do what is right, and so for that end they will try to remove the rule of God from the nations, and you rejoice over this and say it is the "best form of government"... This is the essence of Vatican II and religious liberty too. It is condemned by Leo XIII, but he doesn't give it the name "implied Americanism" -- that is my invention. :baby:

If you'd just care to read Immortale Dei instead of calling me names then you'd have an old friend back, Dawn, as well as other good people on your side.

Belloc · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2010, 11:11:11 AM »

and I see that you see through them in their attempts to use you against others..they suck up to you a lot, despite you are in opposition to them often....

Belloc · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2010, 11:14:53 AM »

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Trinity said:
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While you're at it, Caminus, see if you can extract a few apologies for the false witness they've born against Myrna and myself. I honestly think you will have better luck extracting your own teeth.

There's the irony, because you just bore false witness against me by saying that I bore false witness. You accuse someone pretty lightly of being non-Catholic and breaking commandments... What false witness? I said you were an implied Americanist, and you are.

An actual Americanist is someone who thinks all religions are more or less roads to heaven. An implied Americanist is someone who thinks the system of government we have in the U.S., one that places erroneous, false religions on a par with the true religion, is the best form of government. You apparently don't want Christ to rule over nations, you think everyone should be free to do what they want, and of course that is what leads to rampant immorality and heresy. You don't say that in so many words, but how else am I to take it when you praise our form of government as "the best"? "Best" means "better than the rest," and you are saying that you prefer our government to Catholic governments.

That is implied Americanism, it is also implied Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, "liberty, equality, fraternity," because the whole philosophy comes from Masonry that man should not be coerced to do what is right, and so for that end they will try to remove the rule of God from the nations, and you rejoice over this and say it is the "best form of government"... This is the essence of Vatican II and religious liberty too. It is condemned by Leo XIII, but he doesn't give it the name "implied Americanism" -- that is my invention. :baby:

If you'd just care to read Immortale Dei instead of calling me names then you'd have an old friend back, Dawn, as well as other good people on your side.

well said Mike!, dawn, me and others happyto offer them :cheers:.if only.....

Dawn · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2010, 11:19:35 AM »

That is the madness of this whole thing. Trintiy and Myrna would bend over backward to defend their idea of Americanism and Liberty. Now, my argument with Caminus was in defending Cecelia. And here is were the insanity comes in. Trinity and Myrna are supposed to be sede. So, they should defend Cecelia and the truths she speaks as loudly as they defend eveyones right to be an American Heretic. But, no they hide behind the poor little ole me routine, when they are very good at throwing out names at people. And, then then since their lame attemts at getting us to tear into each other do not work, Trintiy tries to enlist Caminus. Which is really rich because Caminus is the only person that I have on ignore. As Raoul says Caminus uses so much flowery lanquage and so many pointed barbs while he deperately hopes that we will think he know what he is talking about.
Shame on the two of you ladies for defending Americanism and not defending what you both supposedly hold to be the truths of the Church.