I didn't thumb you down but want to ask:
What exactly is a "Feenyite"
Also I converted to the faith because of reading the dimond brothers website, that is where I learned lots of traditional Catholic teaching, the Holy Spirit thought me the rest, so not advertising the dimonds because I don't know if theyre heritics for sayin the pope is a heretic ( But he IS), but just sayin they're more in common with you than novus ordo protestants. So I would not say that it is the last place you should look, but not the first, first place is probably that tradition in action website, its excellent with lots of photos to make the point.
This is a very good exchange and you have valid points. I think I bash the brothers more for their lack of charity than anything else. I do not know if you know Father Martin Stepanich. He was a priest since 1941 and recently died as the only traditional Priest with a doctorate in theology. He had more knowledge in his pinky that the Dimonds have combined. In a letter exchange with them he had the courtesy to call them "Brothers" they in turn referred to him as "Marty". As soon as he died they, in effect gleefully danced on his tomb proclaiming him damned for eternity. Somehow that does not gain my respect for the "brothers". This is not an aberration but a norm for them.
That being said, you make valid points. I too learned alot from them and they do have the truth on many things including SV. They also put together good works that I recommend. The sad thing about them, apart from their unmatchable lack of charity, is that they get in phone debates with people, including clergy and when they clearly have them on the ropes regarding SV, to where maybe the NO clergy would consider them correct or walk away with his tail between his legs, they start in with "you know that the Catholic Church teaches anyone not baptized with water goes to Hell right?" Or something to that effect, thus any credibility they gain in the eyes of the potential convert goes out the window because they know that non-members of the Church can be saved by Baptism of Blood or Baptism of desire.
You make a good point in saying they are not the last place you should look. I have learned from them, both good and bad, truth and error. But in a sense they are more dangerous than the Novus Ordo as they mix subtle lies in with much truth and the little lie can lead a long way off track. On needs only start out slightly off his trajectory and if he travels a life time he ends up way off the mark. The devil also tells lies with much truth and they ensnare good willed Catholics with traditional leanings with their lies, uncharitablness and heresy. Raising minions of haters who think everyone is damned and that there is no Catholic Clergy left who do not hold heresy and that everyone is a liar, and not Catholic and going to Hell, some of these people post regularly on this site. They are either thoroughly brainwashed or bad willed or both.
You can't talk sense with them. You might see a response from Ambrose to me on the hierarchy,
that is the way to debate and learn. Arguing to the point and not the person. But he seems to be the exception. Responding to the words not calling people dirty rats when you disagree with them. There is much low brow exchanges on this site and it is disheartening because this is where traditional Catholics supposedly gather and we have no excuse for making false accusations and berating others personally but that happens constantly on this site. It is generally low brow and uncivil when debating doctrine. A place where an objective new comer might look and have to hide his eyes from the hideousness. The Bellarmine forums have a much more charitable and civil veneer. You don't see the pettiness on that site that you see here.
But you raise a decent objection without attacking me or even thumbing me down. Unfortunately that seems to be the exception rather than the rule here, at least when it comes to discussions on controversial topics. I have tried to point this out repeatedly but I have not seen improvement. Maybe someone else can point it out and people will listen.
I recently got in a debate with someone who addressed me under the guise of civility but showed clearly that he simply had an axe to grind and wanted to undermine any credibility I had. Of course he did this anomalously. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt because of his apparent cordialness and responded to all he had to say, which was basically that he "didn't like the inner workings of my mind". When I pointed out that he is not discussing anything substantive but rather merely making accusations he responded with a heap of
more accusations. These type of discussions are the norm here on controversial topics. They are dimondesque as it were.
Perhaps you can pray that people on this forum gain a little charity and learn how to engage in a constructive conversation instead of engaging in all sorts of pettiness and calumny.